Mini 1939 - Organization XIII (Game Over)

[VI Zexion]

I'm always down for a sing-song.

[VI Zexion]

No normal human being gets this annoyed at someone being disinterested in playing an online forum game.

Being normal = way overrates yo.

[X Luxord]

I don't think that's the kind of not normal anyone should aspire to be.

[VI Zexion]

You may have a point there.

[VII Saix]

There are places where he demonstrates an understanding of mafia and how to play it that directly clash with other posts he makes where he demonstrates no such understandings.

Not everything that you believe is true. You may have a strong opinion on the "right way to play mafia", but there isn't an established right way to play mafia.

If he's new but has a few games under his belt, some of your discrepancies are null and void.

He hasn't talked about his skill level at all and hasn't pretended to be a caricature of a mafia player, so the only reason you think he's new is because you disagree with some things that he said. That's insane.

There isn't a single right way to play mafia. There are many wrong ways to play mafia. Let's try an experiment though.

@Saix

Is your experience level with forum based mafia:

A. 0-1 completed games.
B. 2-5 completed games.
C. 6-15 completed games.
D. 16-100 completed games.
E. 101+ completed games.

More interesting will be to know what you think about my experience.

[IX Demyx]

I'm stupid.
You're fine.
Like.
I don't really like the way you're playing here in general
but I'm clearly the problem here.
Lol.

Naah, I shouldn't be playing this game.
Ur grievances are justified.

[IX Demyx]

I'm always down for a sing-song.

Okay let's sing don't stop believing by journey.

[VII Saix]

Saix will never answer that question

Big post coming tonight

Oh?

I can make him.

Saix will answer the question because to not answer it is an admission that he's attempting to obfuscate his skill level. There is almost no information gained other than that from that post, and it doesn't meaningfully narrow down his identity.

Honestly I'm surprised no one started this game with RQS given the fact that it WOULD actually be useful in this game, as opposed to most games.

You can make me?! Try.

[VI Zexion]

[IX Demyx]

No.
You post one line of the lyrics, then I post a like then someone else posts a line
until we get through whisk song

[VI Zexion]

Lmao fuck no

[IX Demyx]

Okay instead of that song
Someone like you by Adele.

I heard that you are settled down

[VI Zexion]

No I mean, I neither have time nor desire to spam the game with song lyrics

Also I'm heading out so I'm putting down my vote in case EoD hits before I get back

Vote: Saïx

[VII Saix]

Zex, reasons?

[I Xemnas]

Saix' behavior toward my predecessor is one approach scum sometimes take - denigrate, isolate and demotivate. Town frustrated with a disengaged IC looks different, from what I've seen.

What is a scum to gain from doing that to a confirmed town?
Your slot was already demotivated and isolated without me having to do anything. I may have denigrated them a bit to shake them out of the slumber. I was the only one hankering them to wake the fuck up. They didn't. So, they got replaced.

Undercutting the confirmed town's reads and stances are really the only thing scum can do with confirmed town, assuming the confirmed town is at all on the right track. If they can get the confirmed town player to doubt themselves, even better.

Your post read more like a "get out" than a "wake up".

I guess the flip side is that a disengaged and demotivated confirmed town is vastly preferable to a replacement. Anyone who replaces into this slot (or any other slot in the game) is doing so because they want to play the game.

[I Xemnas]

Saix will never answer that question

Big post coming tonight

Oh?

I can make him.

Saix will answer the question because to not answer it is an admission that he's attempting to obfuscate his skill level. There is almost no information gained other than that from that post, and it doesn't meaningfully narrow down his identity.

Honestly I'm surprised no one started this game with RQS given the fact that it WOULD actually be useful in this game, as opposed to most games.

You can make me?! Try.

Is there a reason not to answer?

[II Xigbar]

Vexen was pushing Saix? so there you go.

Also, now there's also Vexion, but I think she's already won the game for scum since town is being really dumb.

[I Xemnas]

Vexen was pushing Saix? so there you go.

Also, now there's also Vexion, but I think she's already won the game for scum since town is being really dumb.

Vexen case?

[I Xemnas]

Regarding Roxas, assuming it's not a brilliant emulation.

Roxas' self-assurance and ability to form reads quickly seems to be a cyclic thing. My impression of her recent play in other games is that she's been in uncertainty mode. In this game, she's projecting a lot of certainty about her reads. This transition seems relatively fast.

Not being explainy seems odd, mostly because she's not explaining the lack of explainyness in more detail, and the lack of explaining reads is usually hand-in-hand with having unsure reads not strong ones. Not always, but often.

I'm not sure this = scum for her. But, I think it might.

[VII Saix]

Saix' behavior toward my predecessor is one approach scum sometimes take - denigrate, isolate and demotivate. Town frustrated with a disengaged IC looks different, from what I've seen.

What is a scum to gain from doing that to a confirmed town?
Your slot was already demotivated and isolated without me having to do anything. I may have denigrated them a bit to shake them out of the slumber. I was the only one hankering them to wake the fuck up. They didn't. So, they got replaced.

Undercutting the confirmed town's reads and stances are really the only thing scum can do with confirmed town, assuming the confirmed town is at all on the right track. If they can get the confirmed town player to doubt themselves, even better.

Your post read more like a "get out" than a "wake up".

I guess the flip side is that a disengaged and demotivated confirmed town is vastly preferable to a replacement. Anyone who replaces into this slot (or any other slot in the game) is doing so because they want to play the game.

Since you yourself have come up with a loophole in your theory, I hope you see the light.

[I Xemnas]

The point of that post was to let them know that their gimmick was noticed. It is good they left. They were not helping the game and appeared disinterested. Hopefully, you will be better.

I don't like your approach to my predecessor. I don't like your approach to me, either.

You have every right to not like my approach.

Where are your reads at currently?

Scum is within Axel, Vex and Xigbar.
Scumlean - Rox and maybe Lex.
Null - Lux
Everyone else town or townlean.

Does Axel's ability make sense to you as a scum ability?

[VII Saix]

Saix will never answer that question

Big post coming tonight

Oh?

I can make him.

Saix will answer the question because to not answer it is an admission that he's attempting to obfuscate his skill level. There is almost no information gained other than that from that post, and it doesn't meaningfully narrow down his identity.

Honestly I'm surprised no one started this game with RQS given the fact that it WOULD actually be useful in this game, as opposed to most games.

You can make me?! Try.

Is there a reason not to answer?

Yes, there is. 2 reasons. First, I find that he is ordering me rather than asking. Second, I fail to see his point and what he is gonna get out of it.

First:
I would have gladly answered it. But challenging me like that - ordering me to comply instead of asking - I will not answer the question on principle.

Second:
I don't understand his premise for these two reasons:
1. If I have been projecting myself as inexperienced, there was no reason for me to crack the facade. Especially over a conversation with Xaldin where I was not at all under the pressure. If you go back to that convo, you will see that Vex/Axel/someone had in fact slotted me as someone who didn't even read that the night was skipped. So, if I really wanted to maintain my facade, I would have let them believe that.
2. The whole premise is built on me behaving in an inexperiened manner on D1. I said scums are less likely to be logical. Contentious as that may sound, where is an attempt to solicit my fucking response to that and understand what I think? Instead, they made up their mind by the end of D1 that I am a VI. I have no prblem if someone thinks of me as a moron, but now if they suddenly start thinking of me as a genius, it's their confusion and problem to sort out, not mine. And since it's their problem, the least they can do is ask nicely. If they can't even do that, and instead are thumping their chest how not responding to their question is a further indication of my scumminess, they will be ignored just as their slot was ignored a few pages ago.

I think it's really dumb and fascist to think that there's one simple rulebook to play mafia. You may think of my style as amateurish, but have the maturity to understand that everyone finds their own rules and tools. I had the exact same response as what Marlux posted, but I didn't type it coz it read damn defensive coming from me. I have learnt to keep my defensive attitude in check coz each of my defensive replies are taken out of context and made to look as if these defensive replies are now the reason why I am scum. I have largely succeeded in not yielding to provocation, and I would like to keep it like that. Not only that it leads to my slot's impending lynch, it also spoils the whole fun. So it's best to ignore people like Vex.

[I Xemnas]

That's the window into your mindset that I needed. Thanks. It's also a townpost IMO.

[II Xigbar]

I agree that it's a townpost, but I've also been saying that Saix was town the entire game.

[II Xigbar]

We share 2/3 of our scumreads. Why don't you get past the fact that you feel the urge to policy lynch me and instead direct your energy at lynching Vexscum?