Mini 1947: Board Game uPick: The Expansion! Game Over

[Tammy]

Fake claims weren't necessary in this game though.

[penguin_alien]

Maybe have fakeclaims ready already.

Between your asking for a fakeclaim and you fakeclaiming in thread, less than 20 minutes passed:

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I need a decent fakeclaim.

I'm Stratego: Legends.

I can get up to two doctor shots if I am voting someone with a higher number than me and they are lynched.

I got one so far and I used it on Porkens N2.

I have a 1-shot gladiator (there's a bunch of roles for the use though) and if I win it against scum I get a 1-shot bulletproof for the next night.

I didn't use it on MKA because I didn't think I would die.

I know I was out and about on my phone; I doubt Lucky was in front of a computer for those exact 20 minutes to get back to you immediately either. Even if we had been ready and waiting, what we sent you would have been window dressing for your own reference. Nothing that would have impacted your ability to claim what you wanted.

I've avoided picking this apart, but since you won't reconsider the situation, here we go.

There was a sample Town Role PM posted in the opening part of the game thread. That showed a town role with one power with one expansion. It was a general format for what to expect for a town role. You had access to all the Mafia Role PMs. You could see they each contained two powers, each with an expansion. Moreover, the first one of these was always something very useful for a Mafia player, while the second was not. Indeed, in one case it was definitely not useful as anything but a town claim (bandage-gifter). You then saw an actual town flip with one power and one expansion before you had to claim. At this point, it should have been clear what was going on, even if you didn't bother reading the opening posts.

Beyond that, if your team had used the Rolecop power on either night, you would have seen a complete Town Role PM actually in use in the game. It was technically possible for your rolecop to get blocked and delayed, meaning the earliest you'd see a Town Role PM would be Night 3. I'm OK with this, given the other indicators you had for what would constitute a usable fakeclaim.

Now, let's get to your actual claim.

There was zero reason to claim to have visited Porkens when you didn't, much less to suggest that you'd used a protective shot on him. He was the root cause of a mislynch on Day 2. Yes, the mislynch was the right call for town to make given the available evidence, but as a town player you don't actually know that he wasn't scum lying about his roleblock on Chickadee. He was certainly mislynchable after that, and scum would not have been trying to kill him for handing them up to two mislynches in total.

More to the point, you didn't visit him in any capacity. You had a ninja shot, cluing you in that there were roles around that could observe interactions. Why throw a lie in about where you went, when Porkens was a decently likely target for investigative people after the mislynch? And you left out an expansion for this power as well.

And then you added on a completely extra set of powers, even after seeing town claim and flip and have a sample of one power/expansion each. And as for that power, you decided to rewrite the trigger for your expansion to make yourself look better instead of considering that your trigger was someone else's already.

Basically, you botched the claim. You waited until it was likely too late to get an answer about getting a fakeclaim, you didn't pay attention to what a believable claim would look like in format/scope, and you threw in unnecessary embellishments for what you did claim.

[Something_Smart]

I don't think Creature made any bad decisions in his fakeclaim. I think the role he claimed was good and the complexity was appropriate, and he got unlucky by claiming to have visited someone who got watched. The doctor claim was definitely townier than the same claim without the doctor, and him getting an extra shot for lynching someone with a higher number was both a reason to keep him around and a reason to not lynch ActionDan.

[RadiantCowbells]

Penguin you are something else criticizing my scum partners.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't feel the game design should be changed mid game and asking for a fake claim is trying to change the game design. Asking may not be against the rules but it gives the appearance you are trying to manipulate the mod

[fferyllt]

I don't feel the game design should be changed mid game and asking for a fake claim is trying to change the game design. Asking may not be against the rules but it gives the appearance you are trying to manipulate the mod

You should probably assume that fake claim requests happen in many games at MS, especially the theme games.

I disagree that it's a change in the game design, but that's irrelevant to my point that you should expect them to happen.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's not the idea of fakeclaims I have an issue with
It should either be part of the game setup or not part of it, not based on someone asking.

[fferyllt]

That's why I said "requests". Even in games where fake claims are given to scum during pregame, they often decide to claim something different and ask the mod to make the fake claim flavor fit the overall game flavor.

This is a thing that happens at MS, so it would be good for you to assume it happens when you're playing.

[mhsmith0]

I was also in a game once where my team blatantly needed flavor fake claims and the mod had forgotten to bother giving us fake claims. So that was fun

[penguin_alien]

I was in a game once as town where the mod gave my actual flavor to the scum as their fakeclaim flavor. Also fun.

[mhsmith0]

I was in a game once where I was on a 4 man secondary scum team in a game of 172 players. We collectively outlasted the 40 man scum team before losing our last member to a bullshit modkill at about 10p left
^note: that's the same game - town and scum were players, our team was the site staff flavor. Main scum team had a flavor vig and anticlaim mechanics, plus flavor that didn't even out them. We had blatantly outing flavor, and no fakeclaims whatsoever until I started bitching about it in dead thread (at which point my final 2 teammates got a list of a few flavors not in the game, wiht no guidance or discussion about how any of them could plausibly work as fakeclaims). I think that's MAAAAYBE the saltiest I've ever been in a dead thread; certainly the saltiest I've ever been as antitown

And ftr I'm still not sure whether that game or Kingdom Hearts had shittier game structure balance for my team. Probably the 172p game, but it's a legitimate question

[Lucky2u]

A 172 player game... Wtf? How is that anything but pure chaos
?

[mhsmith0]

It was an MU mash, so you get a shit ton of death every day through events, in thread attacks, etc. It's a fun sort of thing (when balanced appropriately )

[Tammy]

Those mashes are super fun.

I might just really like the ita's!

[mhsmith0]

It's nice to be able to just shoot someone in thread instead of screaming for days on end about how they're scum

Or, you know, it would be if I ever randed town in one

[Tammy]

That's probably why I like them!

It's a bummer when they don't hit though, but still a lot of fun.

Also probably because I take them less seriously than a regular game and so I'm more relaxed about everything.

[Tammy]

I think the saltiest I've ever been is when my mafia traitor fake guilted me and I got him lynched instead only to find out he was a usurper and I was confirmed scum upon his flip.

[Cabd]

usurper

Found the problem!

[Tammy]

Yeah, I had never heard of the role at the time. Not a fan.

[Mulch]

Maybe have fakeclaims ready already.

[Lucky2u]

Maybe have fakeclaims ready already.

As stated before, fake claims were deemed unnecessary. The flavor was not alignment specific. The roles each had a clearly neutral or town part of it that could be claimed. We were not ever going to provide creature a fake claim, we were only offering to write any role he dictated in our own style. As mentioned before though, that became pointless given the time line of events. Had creature asked us days before to write the fake role he wanted us to write we would have happily done so. He was fully aware that claims were coming as he himself said during the night phase in the scum chat they should prepare for the claims during the next day phase. Why scum chose not to approach us at that point is none of my business.

[Porkens]

Hi Tammy

[TwoInAMillion]

Anyways, I now have a 75% win percentage as town and no mafia games played yet. Let me be mafia already.

[Lucky2u]

Anyways, I now have a 75% win percentage as town and no mafia games played yet. Let me be mafia already.

Oh so your not an alt, you're new? Well grats on the wins so far! Don't worry, you'll be scum soon. Just try to do it better than I did my first scum game. Got vig shot night 1. Apparently I was being obvious...

[TwoInAMillion]

Yep, I'm new. I'll be flying by the seat of my pants if I get scum.