Mini 1953: XP Mafia (Game Over)

[EeveeLution Army]

I mean it is day 1 i'm limited in what i can really do to "gameadvance" unless something overly breaking comes out idt we will have a ton of gamebreaking info at the moment

[Raya36]

Then how do we have 20 pages of game advancing content from other players. How come you can't do the same?

[NoticeMeSenpai]

@Raya I have indeed seen gerry play a more active town game. Once. I correctly identified him as town there, too. Both his scum and town game are so different from each other that

yes, you can indeed meta him effectively

.

This may be true but I can't take your word for it and I don't have the time to read through several of his games to compare them to this one. To someone who does not know Gerry's meta you have just been shouting empty facts.

There is no objectively scummy thing that every scum ever does. If you're looking for something like that you're always going to come up short. Town are anti-town more often than scum are. Scum are genuine more often than most town are. Town lie as often as scum do.

gerryoat in this game has made a point of trying to pocket (not just buddy, which is ALSO something town do often, see us and Ginngie) Maki. He has postured with regards to his read on my slot and has clearly not been reading the game with a mindset of wanting to gamesolve or he would have read the mods posts about the blocking mechanism. Hell, here's one if you want to play the "objectively scummy" game. Town would be thinking about their night actions and how that works in tandem with the block. He is not. He doesn't care because he doesn't need to gamesolve to win. He doesn't need to think to win. He just needs to not be lynched. That is his wincon and it's fucking clear as day to me and I don't get how people can't see that or can see it and think it's fine to leave him alone. It's not.

I am sick to death of watching my own fucking loss as town from the graveyard when it's a blatant scum!gerry. I shouldn't have to lose to the most obvious scum on site.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Interesting word choice

Is that to me?

Clearly. He's saying you're stating it's fact is an interesting word choice (implying you know it's true).
It's semantics and NAI.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

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I find the contradiction from NMS quoted by Gerry to be interesting. Gerry says he'll be back after RVS and NMS votes him for that but then Gerry comes back and posts and NMS calls him scum for posting rather than saying that he hates RVS and disappearing. So which is it? Gerry is scum when he doesn't post in RVS or when he does post in RVS because right here it seems to me NMS is saying both.

No, when I say disappearing I mean he prod dodges the whole day phase. You get hardly anything out of him.
mastina voted him early on, iirc. She specializes in reading people off their first post. Her dislike of him would have something to do with how she reads the gamestate at that early game point, which holds a lot of different things all at once that I don't know well enough to explain and I'm pretty sure she

can't

explain. I can give you posts where she tries to but it's basically "it's not gut but that's the closest you're going to be able to have an answer you could process because she doesn't think in words, but rather concepts".
My read on him came in when I came into the game, which was after he asked about the blocking mechanic.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

lol midterms
HURT: Yurkin

HURT: Yurkin

Mostly quoted so I could just copy pasta the hurt tag on Yurkin.



Mostly

Seriously lets just end this day so we can figure shit out, its not even a lynch, and we wont find out anything from our cations, so thats gonna suck.

Really don't like this, for what it's worth.
I can't explain it right now though.

[Raya36]

I'm not looking for things "objectively scummy". I'm looking for proof from you that Gerry is actually scum. All you have given are empty "facts" about his meta play and how he is so obv scum. Then you keep playing the sympathy and "I'm always right about Gerry" game where you keep bringing up how you always lose to Gerry when he's obviously scum and how you called it every time. Seems to me more like you hold a grudge against Gerry and want him lynched no matter his allignment.

Also I've been playing fine since I started mafia and I'm perfectly capable of scumhunting without meta so don't start implying that my way of scumhunting is garbage.

i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

Blatant.

where town!you doesn't even fucking bother and just posts something like "hate rvs" and walks off for the rest of the day phase

As for the part about Gerry not caring or reading, you said yourself that Gerry as town doesn't seem to care for the first day. If this is the case why does this come across as so scummy to you. What makes this "not caring" dayphase different than any of his others?

Interesting word choice

Is that to me?

Clearly. He's saying you're stating it's fact is an interesting word choice (implying you know it's true).
It's semantics and NAI.

I see. I was using the term fact not because I know it's true but because NMS had been saying it as if it were fact even though they are not.

Re 504
That still doesn't explain the contradiction. The contradiction is still there that when he doesn't care and prod dodges he gets voted but when he starts posting he still gets scum read because as town he doesn't care enough to properly post.


Please just look at it from my perspective for a bit. You can't blame me for being skeptical of a read mostly based on meta that I don't know from someone who jumped on him from his first post that also holds a grudge against him for always winning against them as scum when they called it.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

any reads on anyone else? do you agree with mastina that it's town gin?

Agree with mastina that it's town Ginngie, yeah.
Think Maki is town because of gerry trying to pocket her.
This feels more like I've seen you as town than what I remember from In Memory, and I think certain posts like the ones where you're trying to reach out to me are motivated from a town mindset.
Not a fan of Ghostlin calling me vs gerry a TvT but I'm not sure how much of that is mastina's read of Ghostlin influencing mine since she's mentioned scumreading him a few times now.
Don't like Vaxkiller right now but I can't really explain that one. It feels like he's trying to downplay how much we can get from this day phase and the importance of the block? That's the closest I can get here.
Vijarada had a strong start then fell off and that always makes me feel a little nervous, but I think probably town there.
Dunnstral I have strong omgus urges on and don't trust myself to read him right now. Especially considering I feel like he should be better than this. I think this is probably a read I need to leave to mastina.
Raya I don't have a feel for yet either way.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I'm not looking for things "objectively scummy". I'm looking for proof from you that Gerry is actually scum. All you have given are empty "facts" about his meta play and how he is so obv scum. Then you keep playing the sympathy and "I'm always right about Gerry" game where you keep bringing up how you always lose to Gerry when he's obviously scum and how you called it every time. Seems to me more like you hold a grudge against Gerry and want him lynched no matter his allignment.

Also I've been playing fine since I started mafia and I'm perfectly capable of scumhunting without meta so don't start implying that my way of scumhunting is garbage.

I gave you reasons. Which you have not responded to. I can't give you proof. Mafia at its core is a game about not having said proof.
I gave you his meta. In a post with links and things explained out from a game where I actually thought I had a chance of winning after doing everything I could to kill scum, including vigging them and pushing for the lynch on two of them. Then I died calling out the final two scum. And scum gerry won. That is the meta from that game where I fucking LAID IT OUT. And you've already said you won't read that stuff so

I can't give you more proof there because

YOU

refuse to read it

.

iirc you scumread me and mulch in that newbie I played with you. Every other game you've hardly posted. I think you look for anti-town and disruptive rather than motivations honestly, and it's fine if you don't want to take my advice but I do think that you don't look at motivations behind actions. I think this is evidenced by the fact that you think I want to grudge lynch gerry regardless of his alignment. I clearly don't. I defend him when he's town because it's in my win con to do so. Do I want to lynch scum!gerry? Yes, hell yes. I hate losing to scum gerry. Do I want to lynch

gerry

? No, he's a nice guy and if he's town I don't want to lynch town because I actually

do

give a shit about winning.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

Blatant.

where town!you doesn't even fucking bother and just posts something like "hate rvs" and walks off for the rest of the day phase

As for the part about Gerry not caring or reading, you said yourself that Gerry as town doesn't seem to care for the first day. If this is the case why does this come across as so scummy to you. What makes this "not caring" dayphase different than any of his others?

Those quotes were in response to him saying that he was seriously voted by mastina before he even posted. That was me proving him wrong and saying his discrediting attempt is blatantly a lie. I didn't think I'd need to spell that out.

gerry as town NEVER cares ALL GAME.
He hammered himself as town tracker in Civ mafia.
He posted A TOTAL OF ONE TIME in Firework mafia.
He posts once and it usually says something like "hi" and then

he prod dodges all day phase every day phase

.
Can he have a burst of activity as town? Yes! But he isn't like this! He doesn't posture like this! He doesn't discredit in this particular manner! He doesn't buddy like this!
Gerry as town DOESN'T ask about the mechanics. He is trying to fake dumbtell here. He isn't "not caring", he's "trying to not be lynched". He's trying to maintain an appearance of still doing shit while "not caring" as evidenced by "sorting" me. He's

putting on an act in everything he does

.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Re 504
That still doesn't explain the contradiction. The contradiction is still there that when he doesn't care and prod dodges he gets voted but when he starts posting he still gets scum read because as town he doesn't care enough to properly post.


Please just look at it from my perspective for a bit. You can't blame me for being skeptical of a read mostly based on meta that I don't know from someone who jumped on him from his first post that also holds a grudge against him for always winning against them as scum when they called it.

THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION HOLY SHIT.
MASTINA VOTED HIM FOR HER INITIAL GUT REACTION.
I CALLED HIM SCUM FOR HIS ACTIVITY AFTER IT.
THERE ARE TWO HEADS WITH TWO DIFFERENT READS AND HE DOESN'T COME BACK TO MAKE THAT QUESTION ABOUT MECHANICS AS TOWN EVER.

It's not about properly posting it's about POSTING AT ALL AND PRETENDING TO CARE ABOUT ANYTHING. He was pretending to care about the mechanics which isn't something he does as town.

You even admit that I called it every time that he was scum and won against me. That should be enough to not be skeptical of that fucking read.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Mastina called him on his first post in our last game too.
One he JUST won. Because no one fucking listens.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Block: gerryoat

So here's how this is going to go down.
I'm going to tell you all flat out that gerryoat doesn't make the posts he made so far as town because he gives zero shits about anything as town.
You're all going to ignore me and want to leave scumfuck numero uno alive for whatever goddamn reason.
Then I'll get nightkilled and my read on the one person I am confident in reading will be ignored despite my flip ALSO pointing to the fact that he's fucking scum.
Then gerryscumfuckoat will win the game.

When I inevitably tilt I'm going to just quote this instead of raging. Hopefully. Maybe.
....I'mma probably still rage.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Yeah mastina can deal with this for a bit I'm fucking done.

[EeveeLution Army]

Intense argument. TBH i wanna here gerrys rebuttal. But senpai has a decent player meta case, a rarity.

[Vaxkiller]

Really don't like this, for what it's worth.
I can't explain it right now though.

Shhh my buddy game is stronk.

I just wanna level up. Can I get a an amen?

[drealmerz7]

PUT YOUR FUCKING BLOCK ON WHO YOU WANT TO BLOCK

[Vaxkiller]

Dreal just block yurkin hes at B-1

[drealmerz7]

you know how bad it is to have a wagon and the person who is being wagon isn't voting?

eevee and yurkin NEED to place their block

[Ghostlin]

NMS, how is you screaming about gerry anything but noise at this point? He's not going down today, at least right fucking now. YES, you can scumread him, but Yurkin seems to be the play right now. What do you feel about Yurkin?

[EeveeLution Army]

Dreal just block yurkin hes at B-1

I don't want hammer just yet, i do want a rebuttal from gerry

[gerryoat]

I couldn't be upset at gerry. I knew he was mafia. I was upset at the rest of you for not fucking lynching the most obvious scum in the game.

why are you lying? you subbed out cause i called you out on making RC replace (even though he was town) lol

[gerryoat]

gerryoat in this game has made a point of trying to pocket

this is also a lie, this is how me and maki talk EVERY game. it doesn't matter if I'm scum or town. Even dreal said that me and her usually argue or joke around in the beginning of games we are in together

[gerryoat]

Seems to me more like you hold a grudge against Gerry and want him lynched no matter his allignment.

THANK YOU.

you are town.

not trying to buddy you...ha...ha........ha..........

[gerryoat]

I'm not looking for things "objectively scummy". I'm looking for proof from you that Gerry is actually scum. All you have given are empty "facts" about his meta play and how he is so obv scum. Then you keep playing the sympathy and "I'm always right about Gerry" game where you keep bringing up how you always lose to Gerry when he's obviously scum and how you called it every time. Seems to me more like you hold a grudge against Gerry and want him lynched no matter his allignment.

Also I've been playing fine since I started mafia and I'm perfectly capable of scumhunting without meta so don't start implying that my way of scumhunting is garbage.

i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

Blatant.

where town!you doesn't even fucking bother and just posts something like "hate rvs" and walks off for the rest of the day phase

As for the part about Gerry not caring or reading, you said yourself that Gerry as town doesn't seem to care for the first day. If this is the case why does this come across as so scummy to you. What makes this "not caring" dayphase different than any of his others?

Interesting word choice

Is that to me?

Clearly. He's saying you're stating it's fact is an interesting word choice (implying you know it's true).
It's semantics and NAI.

I see. I was using the term fact not because I know it's true but because NMS had been saying it as if it were fact even though they are not.

Re 504
That still doesn't explain the contradiction. The contradiction is still there that when he doesn't care and prod dodges he gets voted but when he starts posting he still gets scum read because as town he doesn't care enough to properly post.


Please just look at it from my perspective for a bit. You can't blame me for being skeptical of a read mostly based on meta that I don't know from someone who jumped on him from his first post that also holds a grudge against him for always winning against them as scum when they called it.

everyone please read this post, raya nailed it on the head. the hydra contradicted themselves hard. they said "gerry as scum just says 'i hate RVS then leaves'" (which is what i did) but then they quoted that post and said "blatant scum"