This lacks any critical thought whatsoever. There's no questioning of whether I'd blow up at a scum partner the way I did with Dunn, there's just... nothing.
There's no delving into motivation here.
In post 562, Ginngie wrote:I don’t get the town motivation in ignoring actually scummy players and trying to push the thread in the direction of just two people yelling at each other.
I know you're better than to let this go when we have a hard and solid read on someone you know we can read, and it's upsetting me that you are when we have a plan if we can just get the obvious gerryscum blocked. Throw me a line here and let me in a bit on your process?
In post 570, Raya36 wrote: In post 508, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
I gave you reasons. Which you have not responded to. I can't give you proof. Mafia at its core is a game about not having said proof.
I gave you his meta. In a post with links and things explained out from a game where I actually thought I had a chance of winning after doing everything I could to kill scum, including vigging them and pushing for the lynch on two of them. Then I died calling out the final two scum. And scum gerry won. That is the meta from that game where I fucking LAID IT OUT. And you've already said you won't read that stuff so
I can't give you more proof there because
YOU
refuse to read it
.
iirc you scumread me and mulch in that newbie I played with you. Every other game you've hardly posted. I think you look for anti-town and disruptive rather than motivations honestly, and it's fine if you don't want to take my advice but I do think that you don't look at motivations behind actions. I think this is evidenced by the fact that you think I want to grudge lynch gerry regardless of his alignment. I clearly don't. I defend him when he's town because it's in my win con to do so. Do I want to lynch scum!gerry? Yes, hell yes. I hate losing to scum gerry. Do I want to lynch
gerry
? No, he's a nice guy and if he's town I don't want to lynch town because I actually
do
give a shit about winning.
Fine, so maybe I'm wrong about you just wanting to grudge-lynch gerry and I'm sorry I accused you of it. It jusy doesn't seem logical to me that you expect everyone to just trust you and lynch gerry though.
In responce to the reason: (I assume you mean this)
Town would be thinking about their night actions and how that works in tandem with the block. He is not. He doesn't care because he doesn't need to gamesolve to win. He doesn't need to think to win. He just needs to not be lynched. That is his wincon and it's fucking clear as day to me and I don't get how people can't see that or can see it and think it's fine to leave him alone. It's not.
Wouldn't scum be doing the same too though? Maybe even to a greater extent? What if he's vanilla and doesn't have any night actions? Then he wouldn't need to think too much about the blocking mechanic in relation to his night abilities. Scum on the other hand with or without abilities do need to think about all of this since it affects how they need to nk and play.
I appreciate that. I'm sorry for implying your methods of scumhunting are bad. Did any of my posts here help with explaining part of what I'm seeing here?
Scum wouldn't be doing the same, no, because if someone who is lazy as scum can get away with it, they're more likely to just wait for claims and leave their partner/s to figure the rest out. They have partner/s to fall back on where town don't for their night actions.
This is a role madness game. If he's vanilla then he's the equivalent of an innocent child because there's usually one token VT in role madness, and never two.
If
he's vanilla, I strongly believe he is a mafia goon rather than VT, because I am really sure that I know who the token VT is this game.
So yes, scum gerry doesn't need to think about night actions in tandem with the block because all he wants is the block not on him or his partner/s, whereas town gerry needs to think about who he wants the block on because that is a free extra roleblock for town and denies scum their XP, he needs to think about who to block and how that ties in with his night actions. He isn't, because he doesn't have real reads, he hasn't been thinking critically about the game, player interactions, the gamestate.
Besides which, that was actually supposed to be secondary to my other points. The posturing, buddying, not trying to genuinely read me, attempts to dumbtell about game mechanics, which are then explained and he does it again. Things like that. I have a hard time properly verbalizing these things lately though, and making them into sentences that explain it properly.