Mini 1955: Perpetual MYLO III - Game Over!

[Maki Harukawa]

Sorry what did you say I blacked out for a moment

[Carcalilly]

brian lets have a talk

but in the meanwhile

VOTE: chara
i dont like your tone

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-6

DiamondSentinel

(3): acidphoenix, Wickedestjr, Brian Skies

acidphoenix

(2): Maki Harukawa, DiamondSentinel

kunkstar7

(1): Chara

Brian Skies

(1): Wisdom

Chara

(1): Carcalilly

Wickedestjr

(1): UC Voyager

Not Voting

(3): Lycanfire, kunkstar7, Not_Mafia

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: November 2, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-11-01 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Brian Skies]

brian lets have a talk

What do you want to talk about?

[kunkstar7]

because the setup means that setting up a path to victory is the correct route not day-to-day

I don't think it'd work out the way you want it to, once you hit the next day you have to reevaluate the state of the game and that can change the path quickly, essentially pushing it back to day-to-day. You're going to spend most of day one arguing for this plan and by the time it gets agreed upon there won't be time to argue the lynchchoices. Could be something we do from Day Two though, even if the first point is still an issue.

acid and diamond look like they will be the prime lynchbait

Where does the acid part come in here? I can see diamond but not acid. I think diamond versus wicked is probably town on town, wicked's vote explanation list feels like a town move to me.

(also I hate the fact that they allowed images into mafia games...)

Can be lynched:

UC Voyager
Carcalilly
Not_Mafia
Brian Skies
Maki

Don't like anything coming from these, mostly from the fact that their contributions are nonexistent. Brian Skies willingness to lynch "lynchbait" doesn't really mesh with his concerns about lining up lynchpaths.

[Wisdom]

kunk trying to get his buddy wicked townread i see

[Wisdom]

wicked's vote explanation list feels like a town move to me.

What list?

[kunkstar7]

wicked's vote explanation list feels like a town move to me.

What list?

The post where he votes Diamond, he lays out a list of explanations for the vote.

[acidphoenix]

kunk trying to get his buddy wicked townread i see

and diamond prob

[UC Voyager]

What have I missed

[Wisdom]

wicked's vote explanation list feels like a town move to me.

What list?

The post where he votes Diamond, he lays out a list of explanations for the vote.

Scum can't explain their votes?

[Wisdom]

kunk trying to get his buddy wicked townread i see

and diamond prob

ds is town

[Wisdom]

What have I missed

nm, just kunk further scumclaiming, wicked being scum, and brian still being scum

[UC Voyager]

Ok wicked was scum...lol

[UC Voyager]

I guessed that a while ago

[kunkstar7]

Scum can't explain their votes?

This is a disingenuous line of questioning but I'll bite, the answer is obviously.
It's about the presentation of the vote+list. Wicked is voting DS after having been called out for not switching to DS by acidphoenix, and his listing comes off to me as trying to overjustify the switch in vote in response. You're not going to get Wicked making a move like that as scum, I think Wicked as scum wouldn't have made that vote switch.

[Wisdom]

I didnt recall that he was called out, that just makes the overexplaining scummier

[Wisdom]

You're not going to get Wicked making a move like that as scum, I think Wicked as scum wouldn't have made that vote switch.

nonsense

His maki vote was doing nothing
He was already pushing ds and preparing to pop a vote there
He was asked to by acid as you mentioned

Makes total sense for him to do it

[acidphoenix]

kunk trying to get his buddy wicked townread i see

and diamond prob

ds is town

strongly believe this is wrong

but can vote wicked or kunk too

[Wickedestjr]

So first you say I made the post as a gambit. Now you're saying I did it for no reason. Which is it?

If you are town and you really thought that I was doing a gambit, then I still don't see why you felt the need to try shutting it down. There was absolutely no discussion happening at that point, so to say that my gambit was getting in the way of something or slowing down the game is just unreasonable.

You were doing a useless gambit for no reason it's not one of the 2 it's the same. As I already said it was very clear you were doing a useless gambit and normally if you did this on page 20/30 (as I already said) this would be fine but you're doing it on page 2 where people have 0-5 posts you don't know all the scum nor do any other townies it's just asking for random names at that point and doesn't help what so ever. That's why I shut it down.

At this point I can't tell if you are pretending to not understand what I'm saying or if you actually don't see what I was attempting there.

A gambit is... "a device, action, or opening remark, typically one entailing a degree of risk, that is calculated

to gain an advantage

."

So if you really think it was a gambit, then it doesn't make sense for you to also believe it had no purpose. How can you say "it was a useless gambit for no reason" ? The desired 'advantage' in this case was that it would cause serious discussion to begin.

Fwiw, it worked out very well the last time that I did it: discussion started and I correctly scum read 2 out of 3 scum shortly after doing it.

[DiamondSentinel]

So first you say I made the post as a gambit. Now you're saying I did it for no reason. Which is it?

If you are town and you really thought that I was doing a gambit, then I still don't see why you felt the need to try shutting it down. There was absolutely no discussion happening at that point, so to say that my gambit was getting in the way of something or slowing down the game is just unreasonable.

You were doing a useless gambit for no reason it's not one of the 2 it's the same. As I already said it was very clear you were doing a useless gambit and normally if you did this on page 20/30 (as I already said) this would be fine but you're doing it on page 2 where people have 0-5 posts you don't know all the scum nor do any other townies it's just asking for random names at that point and doesn't help what so ever. That's why I shut it down.

At this point I can't tell if you are pretending to not understand what I'm saying or if you actually don't see what I was attempting there.

A gambit is... "a device, action, or opening remark, typically one entailing a degree of risk, that is calculated

to gain an advantage

."

So if you really think it was a gambit, then it doesn't make sense for you to also believe it had no purpose. How can you say "it was a useless gambit for no reason" ? The desired 'advantage' in this case was that it would cause serious discussion to begin.

Fwiw, it worked out very well the last time that I did it: discussion started and I correctly scum read 2 out of 3 scum shortly after doing it.

VOTE: Wicked

I don't need to tell you why my read on you has changed, do I?

[Chisa Yukizome]

why are people making serious reads over arguing about word definitions

[acidphoenix]

why are people making serious reads over arguing about word definitions

oops

this is me

[acidphoenix]

question to the people arguing against the list

do you actually believe the list has 3 town in it or just arguing on principlr

[Wickedestjr]

Town that honestly believe you had figured out all scum? Sure, I'll buy that

Yeah I don't believe you.

You don't believe me that I think you're being incompetent here?

Ever heard of "Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity"? Doesn't apply perfectly, but this is the general thought.

Anyways, my belief here is more that you are just flat out wrong rather than scum.

Because if I was really "town that honestly believed that I had figured out all the scum", then I would have revealed those reads at some point instead of now calling it a gambit. Also, I have made this exact play as town before and linked the game where I did it. So you're just wrong to say there's no way it's a gambit.

And I have no idea why you've voted for me.