Mini 1955: Perpetual MYLO III - Game Over!

[DiamondSentinel]

Also, pagetop (sorry, I'll stop this)

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-2

kunkstar7

(1): Wickedestjr

Wisdom

(1): Chara

Chara

(1): Maki Harukawa

UC Voyager

(1): UC Voyager

Carcalilly

(1): acidphoenix

Not Voting

(7): Lycanfire, kunkstar7, DiamondSentinel, Brian Skies, Wisdom, Carcalilly, Not_Mafia

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: November 2, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-11-01 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- Wisdom has 48 hours in which to post before I must seek a replacement.
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[Chara]

Interesting wordchoice as well.

what's this referring to?

[Lycanfire]

what's this referring to?

Maki's defeatist attitude and admission. There's two themes in the scenario and both can be AI.

[UC Voyager]

UNVOTE: uc voyager

[Brian Skies]

4. If there's no majority at deadline, there's no lynch.

So what happens here? Scum just get a free kill?

[fferyllt]

4. If there's no majority at deadline, there's no lynch.

So what happens here? Scum just get a free kill?

Good catch. I was supposed to add this to my generic rules. Per Max's original setup, I've modified that rule as follows:

4. If there's no majority at deadline, there's no lynch. If this happens ONCE, the Mafia will be required to No-Kill on the following night. If this happens AGAIN, then the Mafia will get to make a Kill the following night.

[DiamondSentinel]

VOTE: Brian Skies

There's a person I am familiar with.

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: Not_Mafia

Posting elsewhere

[Wickedestjr]

Hey everyone,

I've actually just figured out the entire scum team. Would anyone like to take a guess before I share my discoveries?

Gun to head, what are your initial impressions so far? We'll see who has the best reads on page 2.

[Maki Harukawa]

Can we not do useless gambits like this that lead us no where at all ty

[UC Voyager]

Hey everyone,

I've actually just figured out the entire scum team. Would anyone like to take a guess before I share my discoveries?

Gun to head, what are your initial impressions so far? We'll see who has the best reads on page 2.

aka.......your scum
got it

[Wickedestjr]

Can we not do useless gambits like this that lead us no where at all ty

This game is progressing at an alarmingly slow pace. And if everyone does nothing, then nothing is going to happen. Keep in mind that almost half of the people here are fine with that

perpetuating

. What do you propose instead?

Unvote. Vote: Maki Harukawa

Don't see any town intent behind your post.

[DiamondSentinel]

Can we not do useless gambits like this that lead us no where at all ty

This game is progressing at an alarmingly slow pace. And if everyone does nothing, then nothing is going to happen. Keep in mind that almost half of the people here are fine with that

perpetuating

. What do you propose instead?

Unvote. Vote: Maki Harukawa

Don't see any town intent behind your post.

Couple things:

1. Before I left (granted, this was a while ago, but still, I'm assuming it applies here), games always progressed very slowly. Last game I was involved with was a modded game and I sent out far more prods than I thought I'd need to. It appears to just be the state of the forum now.
2. For you to vote someone who called you out on a terrible idea shows that you're defensive. Any other game, and I'd vote you. But I don't feel like carelessly spreading a vote.

Anyways, a bit about what I've seen as the strategy/theory behind this setup.
First off, treat every person as if they were hated. If someone's at L-1, scum can QH and then sacrifice that member the next night. You can't use "If they QH, then we lynch them next" as a valid strategy.
Second, watch out for major distancing. That was a huge scumtell in both of the first two iterations; even more so than in most games. Not exactly sure why, but it's worth noting.
Finally, last thing. In the game that the scum won (first), there was a huge bussing factor. This goes along with the former point, but one of the most universally townread slots (Rena, if you read the game) bussed one of her teammates for at least half of each day she was a part of (replaced in), and the other member who survived the entire time (Thief) also bussed, many times following Rena.

[DiamondSentinel]

@Mod: Wicked mentioned it earlier, and I'm also curious. Are there any restrictions on self-votes?

[fferyllt]

@Mod: Wicked mentioned it earlier, and I'm also curious. Are there any restrictions on self-votes?

Players can self-vote, but are cautioned to play to their win condition.

[DiamondSentinel]

@Mod: Wicked mentioned it earlier, and I'm also curious. Are there any restrictions on self-votes?

Players can self-vote, but are cautioned to play to their win condition.

Naturally. Thanks for the clarification.

Alright, so there we have it. Town seems to be at a much larger disadvantage than I had originally anticipated.

[Lycanfire]

Brian Skies
acidphoenix
DiamondSentinel
Chara
kunkstar7

Why are you all good at mafia?

[kunkstar7]

It's not much but having perused the last few iterations I was looking to see what Wickedestjr would bring up in regards to his opinion of the setup, and his post about it seems to match his modnotes on his run of the setup. It's an easy thing to do for both alignments but it's about keeping him honest in my opinion. I'd wait to see Wisdon's input but he doesn't have as much to compare to.

Any other game, and I'd vote you. But I don't feel like carelessly spreading a vote.

This is a curious sentiment to me, why is an early vote like this careless? Don't give me "the setup" as an excuse, it's 7 to lynch.

[DiamondSentinel]

Brian Skies
acidphoenix
DiamondSentinel
Chara
kunkstar7

Why are you all good at mafia?

What do you mean? Is this you asking what I bring to the table or something? Because I've never claimed that I was good at mafia.

It's not much but having perused the last few iterations I was looking to see what Wickedestjr would bring up in regards to his opinion of the setup, and his post about it seems to match his modnotes on his run of the setup. It's an easy thing to do for both alignments but it's about keeping him honest in my opinion. I'd wait to see Wisdon's input but he doesn't have as much to compare to.

Any other game, and I'd vote you. But I don't feel like carelessly spreading a vote.

This is a curious sentiment to me, why is an early vote like this careless? Don't give me "the setup" as an excuse, it's 7 to lynch.

I'm always refined with when I place my vote, outside of RVS. It messing with vote analysis later on. And anyways, I think that he's lynchbait, ergo a poor player, more than scum.

[UC Voyager]

VOTE: wikedestjr



sorry. it seems scummy you said tht you think you know who is scum, but
#1-didn't say

#2-HOW THE HOLY FUCK! do you know how freaking early it is in the game. How the hell could you all ready know? unless your scum trying to get townie miss lynched!

[Chara]

Brian Skies
acidphoenix
DiamondSentinel
Chara
kunkstar7

Why are you all good at mafia?

busy tonight, but i can answer this quickly.

i'm not very good at scumhunting. at least, i'm not satisfied with it. better at townhunting. what i do seem to be good at is looking town when town and leading in instances of confusing setups or during arguments about optimal strategy. in the vein of scumhunting, i'm good at reevaluating, but bad at sticking to my guns.

hard to say for my scumgame, only times i have been for long periods of time have been in a hydra where i let Almost50 lead. i guess i'm pretty good at looking town there too.

i like talking about myself. i'll see you all tomorrow!

pedit: speaking of, UC is town.

[Wickedestjr]

Couple things:

1. Before I left (granted, this was a while ago, but still, I'm assuming it applies here), games always progressed very slowly. Last game I was involved with was a modded game and I sent out far more prods than I thought I'd need to. It appears to just be the state of the forum now.

First of all, my experience has been different. I can't remember being part of a game that felt this tumbleweed-ish right after the game started; I found this very surprising (luckily it's picking up now). Secondly, even if you are right about this, I don't see why it matters. We have a deadline, so we should be trying to get out of RVS as soon as we can - doesn't matter what other games are doing.

2. For you to vote someone who called you out on a terrible idea shows that you're defensive. Any other game, and I'd vote you. But I don't feel like carelessly spreading a vote.

There is so much wrong with this.
*It's okay to be defensive if the 'attack' is scummy. (You kind of ignored my reason for voting her and just wrote it off as defensiveness)
*Not sure that defensiveness is a scum tell anyway. People should defend themselves.
*As long as nobody gets put at L-1 prematurely, then we're good. No need for so much caution.

@Mod: Wicked mentioned it earlier, and I'm also curious. Are there any restrictions on self-votes?

Players can self-vote, but are cautioned to play to their win condition.

Naturally. Thanks for the clarification.

Alright, so there we have it. Town seems to be at a much larger disadvantage than I had originally anticipated.

Why is town's inability to self-vote making this a greater disadvantage? Or is that a non-sequitur?

[Wickedestjr]

Pretty ironic that my 'gambit that will lead us nowhere' is the one thing that's starting to lead us somewhere

[DiamondSentinel]

Couple things:

1. Before I left (granted, this was a while ago, but still, I'm assuming it applies here), games always progressed very slowly. Last game I was involved with was a modded game and I sent out far more prods than I thought I'd need to. It appears to just be the state of the forum now.

First of all, my experience has been different. I can't remember being part of a game that felt this tumbleweed-ish right after the game started; I found this very surprising (luckily it's picking up now). Secondly, even if you are right about this, I don't see why it matters. We have a deadline, so we should be trying to get out of RVS as soon as we can - doesn't matter what other games are doing.

2. For you to vote someone who called you out on a terrible idea shows that you're defensive. Any other game, and I'd vote you. But I don't feel like carelessly spreading a vote.

There is so much wrong with this.
*It's okay to be defensive if the 'attack' is scummy. (You kind of ignored my reason for voting her and just wrote it off as defensiveness)
*Not sure that defensiveness is a scum tell anyway. People should defend themselves.
*As long as nobody gets put at L-1 prematurely, then we're good. No need for so much caution.

@Mod: Wicked mentioned it earlier, and I'm also curious. Are there any restrictions on self-votes?

Players can self-vote, but are cautioned to play to their win condition.

Naturally. Thanks for the clarification.

Alright, so there we have it. Town seems to be at a much larger disadvantage than I had originally anticipated.

Why is town's inability to self-vote making this a greater disadvantage? Or is that a non-sequitur?

Oh, no no no. I wasn't saying that them being unable to self-vote was a liability. Rather, I was talking about scum being able to self-hammer. I had sort of anticipated that you couldn't self-vote as scum due to the whole "best two out of three" thing (for some reason, I associated it with cheating in this battle of wits).

As for your other parts, the first part I don't have much of a retort to. As you said, experiences differ. But the second, I'm saying you seem either scummy or just a subpar player. Prove me wrong, though.

PEdit: Gambit didn't lead us anywhere. The conversation about said gambit did.