Mini 1966: A Howl At Midnight Blitz (Game Over)

[drealmerz7]

If he was mafia, he would have went along with at least the mason claim.

this is not true at all at all at all and that you keep pushing it is almost as bad as maki pushing me to shoot her

it's gotta be maki/kokich/ ?

maybe even just random with them ? and they are trying the gambit together, egh, I don't know

fffffff

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

[Wh4t]

i'm p sure scum are keeping to their battlelines here. i think either I'm being roped along with the people pushing srceen or srceen is being defended by his buddies.

Random, if you back up the mason claim, what was the point of saying this? Why do you think it was possible you could have been roped into voting Srceenplay by scum when Kokichi was the one leading that wagon?

Did random ever answer to this?

He didn't back up the mason claim

Yeah but the same question applies to lovers. Why say what he did when sheeping Kokichi who was his conf. Town lover partner supposedly? The whole lover/mason claim doesn't make sense to me. Even if one was scum from the start (tragic lovers) they would have the same win clause --> to win the game together. But their accusations of each other possibly being scum doesn't line up with a tragic lovers role. Different win clauses doesn't line up with any of the lover types unless a. The entire claim is false or b. The mod trolled us with a custom lovers set up.

If one is the sleeper it still doesn't explain why they're both aware of differing win clauses...

And wtf is up with Kokichi saying it's masons when he first claimed (could be trying to prevent scum getting a double NK by keeping it hidden) and now using midget not claiming masons to clear him as town??

Am I missing something here?

[Dunnstral]

Huh? What are you talking about, you must be confused with another site/variant of the role, I don't believe lovers win together, they just both die at the same time

[Wh4t]

[float=][/float]

The shot should be used on who we want to lynch today to clear drealmerz for LYLO if the lovers are telling the truth. If drealmerz refuses then we lynch him. Thoughts?

If drealmerz targets town and dies we lose because of the lovers, whether they're both town or 1 town 1 scum.

My point is we need to lynch scum obv. so once we agree on said scum we get drealmerz to shoot them instead. If we're wrong lynching then we lose anyway. Using the shot instead of the lynch clears drealmerz making it easier for us if we end up at LYLO. We just need to work together to hit scum today...3/8 ain't terrible odds.

I know for sure that TChill and I are town so from my POV it's 3/6 which is 50% chance we get it right.

Maki
Desperado
Drealmerz
Dunnstral
Kokichi
Randomidget

We leave kokichi and Rando because they are the optimal scum NK if both town. We get drealmerz to shoot our preferred lynch to clear him

So that leaves a logical lynch in
Maki
Dunnstral
Desperado

Where I feel Dunn is prob town.

I feel Maki is the most likely to be scum and the person who should be shot today.

[Wh4t]

Huh? What are you talking about, you must be confused with another site/variant of the role, I don't believe lovers win together, they just both die at the same time

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover

I guess I was assuming that the mod put proper play restrictions on a tragic lovers role. See bottom of article.

[Kokichi Oma]

If he was mafia, he would have went along with at least the mason claim.

this is not true at all at all at all and that you keep pushing it is almost as bad as maki pushing me to shoot her

it's gotta be maki/kokich/ ?

maybe even just random with them ? and they are trying the gambit together, egh, I don't know

fffffff

You think I'm mafia with the person I pointed out blocked the vig claim, when no one else thought about that? Anyway, you don't know the gambit I did, thus the reason I'm saying random is likely town.

[Wh4t]

Assuming the lover's claim is true so if one dies the other dies and both are town:
8 --no lynch--> NK lovers --> 6 (3 scum 3 town) gg scum
8 --lynch scum--> 7 (2 scum 5 town) NK lovers --> 5 (2 scum 3 town) LYLO

one lover is scum:
8 --lynch lovers--> 6 (2 scum, 4 town) NK town --> 5 (2 scum 3 town) LYLO

So I think it's best we let the lover claim resolve itself. We try and lynch scum outside the claim as it gives the same result without guessing if one of them could be scum.

The shot should be used on who we want to lynch today to clear drealmerz for LYLO if the lovers are telling the truth. If drealmerz refuses then we lynch him. Thoughts?

[float=][/float]

The shot should be used on who we want to lynch today to clear drealmerz for LYLO if the lovers are telling the truth. If drealmerz refuses then we lynch him. Thoughts?

If drealmerz targets town and dies we lose because of the lovers, whether they're both town or 1 town 1 scum.

My point is we need to lynch scum obv. so once we agree on said scum we get drealmerz to shoot them instead. If we're wrong lynching then we lose anyway. Using the shot instead of the lynch clears drealmerz making it easier for us if we end up at LYLO. We just need to work together to hit scum today...3/8 ain't terrible odds.

I know for sure that TChill and I are town so from my POV it's 3/6 which is 50% chance we get it right.

Maki
Desperado
Drealmerz
Dunnstral
Kokichi
Randomidget

We leave kokichi and Rando because they are the optimal scum NK if both town. We get drealmerz to shoot our preferred lynch to clear him

So that leaves a logical lynch in
Maki
Dunnstral
Desperado

Where I feel Dunn is prob town.

I feel Maki is the most likely to be scum and the person who should be shot today.

Putting these together for clarity.

[Kokichi Oma]

If we are both town like I believe we are, mafia is going to have to kill us eventually or risk a 3 way with us. Or another scenario which I won't bring up right now.

[Kokichi Oma]

Okay, well we are running out of time. We need to lynch. If we force NL we lose.

[Kokichi Oma]

VOTE: Maki

sorry if you're town but blocking the claimed vig is pretty inexcusable as town, so I think you have to be maf here.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Maki Harukawa

[Maki Harukawa]

You're not sorry don't give me that.
I didn't see the "vig" claim but I still would've jailed it even if I did see it I have no regrets in my play

let's get this over with

[Randomnamechange]

four hours left.
i'm 90% sure there is scum in kokichi/maki and i'm leaning maki rn.

[Wh4t]

VOTE: Maki Harukawa

[Wh4t]

Nah eff that look at that bs vote.
VOTE: kokichi

[Kokichi Oma]

Notice how he's okay with forcing NL, w4at is probably scum.

[Kokichi Oma]

Vote Count

Maki - 2

(Kokichi, Dunnstral)

Wh4t - 1

(Maki Harukawa)

Kokichi - 1

(w4at)

Not Voting:

Desperado, drealmerz7, randomidget, Tchill13,

With 8 Alive, It Takes 5 to Lynch

Activity Check - Prodding TChill13

Deadline:

(expired on 2017-12-07 18:00:00)

2 hours left. I believe this is the updated vote count.

That or Dreal needs to come back and shoot someone IF it ends the day.

[drealmerz7]

and I'm here

though I'm fucking exhausted as fuuuck and would prefer to take a nap

but if I take a nap I will sleep beyond deadline sooo

it'd be nice if we can wrap this up if there is actually anyone around

seriously fucking whacked that this thread is dead like this

I hate you all (not really though)

I guess I really am as comfortable as I'm going to get with the lynch being either maki/kokichi

but I'm more anxious about it all than I'd like to be that is for sure, again, I hate you all (not really though)

p-edit: oh hey kokichi is here

[Kokichi Oma]

Your shot can end the day, correct? Cause basically its that or we need all 5 town to come back and to vote mafia or we lose.

[drealmerz7]

seriously the last thing my anxiety needs right now is the fate of the game to be on me fuck thatttt I am not letting everyone cop out on responsibility FUCK THAT and anyone who knows me as a player knows I will not compromise and be pressured to shoot if I do not want to (that should be maki, dunn, desp, but I can't speak for them or guarantee they know this about me unfortunately)

odds are that if I shoot it's not going to be on who most want me to too, btw

[drealmerz7]

yeah well perhaps better the loss be on everyone for not DOING THEIR FUCKING JOB AND VOTING FOR LYNCH rather than on me because ppl wanted to shirk responsibility

[drealmerz7]

I am the last fucking person you want to test on that shit too, I will never be leashed, directed, or whatever else. I believe each individual player who has their individual role decides what to do with their role. I think each player should be doing what they think is best for their wincon. Yes, ppl should listen to what others have to say / their input, but ultimately always make their own choice. Doing that is the only way that actually services the game too! Because if the player then can turn around and say "well I shot because I was forced to" then that shirks the responsibility off of them!! and you get NO meaningful read on ANYthing that has happened.

[drealmerz7]

with the gamestate in the state that it is, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that I HAVE BEEN WRONG on TWO HAMMERS so far, that the onus should fall on the entirety of the playerlist / on town, to decide the gamestate going forward, not any individual, and certainly not me!!!

[Kokichi Oma]

So you'd rather lose than to shoot is what you're saying?