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I misinterpreted Gork's last post, sorry. I'd still appreciate in-depth thoughts on Drealmerz from your end though.

We're both cool with going through the Drealmerz/McMenno/FishytheFish pool. I'll be surprised if it doesn't contain both scum. But I'd really like for McMenno and Drealmerz to both post and defend themselves before we go through with a lynch. McMenno hasn't posted in 3 days 20 hours, and Drealmerz hasn't posted for 4 days 12 hours so probably expecting them to be prodded.

- BV

been having shit life shit so I haven't been able to focus on playing

can we kill wheme yet?

In post 1152, drealmerz7 wrote:been having shit life shit so I haven't been able to focus on playing

can we kill wheme yet?

No, but how do you feel about a McMenno lynch? He's at L-1, we're giving him a chance to come in first.

I really think we should be lynching dunkers here.

The information we have just doesn't clear dunkers - Wheme's now explicitly said that dunkers can be a scum motion detector with his result. And dunkers is the scummier of the two.

In post 1133, Wormhole wrote:

In post 1130, Fishythefish wrote:^ I'll respond to this more fully later, but the difference I saw is in how confrontational dreal is, doing things like very directly accusing people of being scum - not in levels of scumhunting.

But I'll reread this; because it was definitely something that struck me very strongly early on, and I'm not 100% sure how well it persists later on.

This is his ISO in the game you are talking about and I didn't notice any significant difference in how confrontational he is or felt that his accusations were more direct here than there. More specifics would help.

-BV

Sure. I think the best way to put is this:
- In Pick Your Poision, drealmerz talked a lot about himself, and a fair bit about why he had certain reads. But he almost never addressed his suspects directly; there's very little like "You're scum!" in his ISO. Along the same lines, he calls people (or their actions) "scummy" a lot, but rarely calls them scum.
- Here, he's much more direct. He declares that people are scum, sometimes straight at them. It's a much more confrontational approach.

Smocaine you can hammer at any time

Why are you playing in such an impatient way that you can't wait for McMenno to come back and claim? That would have given us much more info and would have helped us form a better informed decision. If he doesn't come back, that's cool too. He just gets prodded, someone might replace him and if they are active, we get a wealth of info from them.

It's frustrating playing in a game where everytime someone's at L-1, I have to keep looking over my shoulder to see if someone "lolhammers" them out of the blue. Even more when that's compounded by a chorus of "let's just flip someone, let's just kill something." I actually wanted to play mafia and solve the game, not just random lynch. In the future, I'd appreciate if you don't replace into games that I (BlackVoid) am playing in. This goes regardless of his flip and yours.

Hopefully, he's scum. If not, my best guess is Drealmerz/FishyTheFish. I'll try and post final thoughts before thread lock.

-BV

Who the hell just eats the crust? That's the least tasty part of the pizza!

Votecount 3.01

Not Voting	---	drealmerz7, Gorkington, Chickadee, Whemestar, Fishythefish, Firebringer, Wormhole, Dunkerdoodles, Smocaine

With 9 alive, it's 5 votes to lynch.

The lynch deadline is in (expired on 2018-01-23 23:00:00)

(:

Okay, that went better than I expected. I still think it's better to let people claim before lynching in the long run.

I think the last mafia is probably FishyTheFish. I didn't like the push on Dunker when McMenno was getting wagoned.

-BV

please note wormhole's attempts to stall the wagon and not giving a clear read on mcmenno and also not participating in the wagon

ps: im really sorry if you're town skitter and bv but i just have a feeling

In post 1154, Fishythefish wrote:I really think we should be lynching dunkers here.

The information we have just doesn't clear dunkers - Wheme's now explicitly said that dunkers can be a scum motion detector with his result. And dunkers is the scummier of the two.

this is pretty incriminating tbf though
VOTE: fish

In post 1107, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i read fish vs gork as tvt too

what happened to this?

In post 1165, Dunkerdoodles wrote:please note wormhole's attempts to stall the wagon and not giving a clear read on mcmenno and also not participating in the wagon

ps: im really sorry if you're town skitter and bv but i just have a feeling

Mcmenno purposefully avoided the thread when at L-1. I don't think scum stalls the wagon for a claim on a dead to rights slot that isn't helping him here.

In post 1165, Dunkerdoodles wrote:please note wormhole's attempts to stall the wagon and not giving a clear read on mcmenno and also not participating in the wagon

ps: im really sorry if you're town skitter and bv but i just have a feeling

It wasn't exactly stalling so much as me and BV were trying to sort through the {you/fish/mcmenno/dreal/gork} pool and pare it down to likely pairs, and the fact that I'm feeling kinda burnt out atm and haven't really had the motivation over the past few days to explain what I'm thinking and why, which is why I haven't really been posting.

the tldr version of everything that I've been thinking over the past couple of days is that the strength of fishy's read on you is inversely proportional to the perceived strength of wheme's inno on you. Before wheme outed his result he had a strong scumread on you. The play-related reasoning for his scumread on you became weaker when people were thinking that you were clear. When people started doubting the clear, his scumread on you strengthened again.

Basically, I think he was attacking the validity of wheme's claim/result/inno (and not, say, trying to get dreal to out his results) because if wheme's result isn't a strong clear on you, town!dunk-that-is-widely-scumread is still a viable mislynch option, whereas if you're clear for role reasons, town!dunk is no longer a viable mislynch.

I also think that fish works with mcmenno quite well; his progression on mcmenno is basically a generic scumread coupled with avoiding comment on gork's read coupled with actively trying to divert the wagon away from him back onto you once people started doubting the strength of wheme's inno.

VOTE: Fish

L-2

--s

am I still a tr worm/anyone?

For me, yeah.

In post 1169, Wormhole wrote:were trying to sort through the {you/fish/mcmenno/dreal/gork} pool

Note that you're not in this. I think I'm taking Gork out of this and Dunk too.

Imo it's pretty much fish or dreal, much more likely to be fish.

Gork u did that didn’t you?
I wanted to shoot last scum.

How dare you

This is a town steam roll