Mini 1968: Bread uPick: The Baker's Dozen: Endgame

[Fenraiser]

VOTE: gorkington
Use RNG.

[Fenraiser]

Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.

[Fenraiser]

Do it and if you get modkilled then you get modkilled

Wolfy.

[Fenraiser]

Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.

what, why?

no it doesn't especially after asked for flavor and he didn't

fuck that shit it's scummy as fuck especially from creature VOTE: creature

It looks nice, and while both scum and town can miller claim, I'm more inclined for the claim to come from town more than scum imo. It seems to me that from what I've read about miller roles, they either make someone confirmed town (mish mash games at least) or they are lynched D1.

[Fenraiser]

it looks nice?!?!? what does that even mean? you're just making a general statement that has no application to this game

I'm saying that creature is probably town because of the claim. That is why it's nice.

[Fenraiser]

VOTE: Dreal

[Fenraiser]

Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.

what, why?

no it doesn't especially after asked for flavor and he didn't

fuck that shit it's scummy as fuck especially from creature VOTE: creature

This implies you know creature's meta. Please explain more of why it's scummy from creature. It would strengthen your argument and help us understand where you're coming from.

it looks nice?!?!? what does that even mean? you're just making a general statement that has no application to this game

I'm saying that creature is probably town because of the claim. That is why it's nice.

this is terrible

have you ever played mafia before?

Don't straw man argument me. Explain more on creature!scum since you seem to know their meta.

[Fenraiser]

Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.

what, why?

no it doesn't especially after asked for flavor and he didn't

fuck that shit it's scummy as fuck especially from creature VOTE: creature

Is it the miller claim that's scummy, or is it that creature didn't say their flavor that is scummy?

@Drealz

[Fenraiser]

Spoiler:

Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.

nice as in lynchy nice

?

I also just realized this statement is weird without a question mark -- I was asking for clarification, not agreement.

(As an aside, GL on your last final, skitter!)

I don't think anyone even asked about this post from you, Misa. Comes off defensive and paranoid about how you are being read.

VOTE: misatange

/rvs

@EspeciallytheLies

I do not see your logical progression.

How does that question in post 26 and comment in post 38 make Misa come off as defensive and paranoid about being read if she wasn't addressing herself but actually creature?

[Fenraiser]

McMenno have you played with creature before? If you have, what are your thoughts on him rn?

[Fenraiser]

Spoiler:

i can pretty much promise you with some degree of certainty that with the two posts creature has already made in this game, hes probably never flipping scum.

you heard it here first folks never lynch creature ever again

I was just wondering.

[Fenraiser]

@Worm

RvS to answer your question.

I feel like I already explained myself with creature, so I'll clarify. Miller claims are either lynched early on or widely townread (depending on set-up in addition). It's a ballsy move that I don't see much scum doing D1, although I'm not ruling out the possibility. Yes, creature's posting itself is null, but for now, creature is a slight townread due tp the claim and what I jist said.

I don't exactly see how playing off-site would help, but yes, I have played off-site more than on MS.

[Fenraiser]

Spoiler:

Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.

what, why?

no it doesn't especially after asked for flavor and he didn't

fuck that shit it's scummy as fuck especially from creature VOTE: creature

I'm voting Drealz for this.

I'm taking it that scum!millerclaims are more common than I thought. I still think it's a ballsy move, so I don't think scum will claim it, but that depends on what kind of player creature is.

Is creature prone to making gambits like scum claiming miller D1 or making gambits at all? I'm asking this from

Dreal, Mcmeeno

, and

Wormhole

since I know you guys stated that you've played either a few or more than few games with creature.

@Creature

Why did you not give flavor? Paraphrasing is okay fyi it's in the op.

[Fenraiser]

Not unvoting Dreal today

@WhemeStar

Wynaut? It's very early in the day and you're saying this, so I hope you're not actually gonna pull through with it after more people start posting and we get more info. What about Drealz seems to be automatic scum (It seems this is what you're implying because of that statement you made)?

[Fenraiser]

Why did you not give flavor? Paraphrasing is okay fyi it's in the op.

I was going to post the exact flavor though.

Lul okay. How do you think of Drealz voting you for the reasons stated?

[Fenraiser]

UNVOTE:

[Fenraiser]

Firaja, Fykus, and City have been slanking I think.

What do you guys think of the Drealz situation right here?

[Fenraiser]

NVM City is VLA, but the other two must be heard.

[Fenraiser]

@Fenraiser, why does Drealmerz pushing

Creature make him suspicious just because you think Creature is town

? Was there anything about the way he pushed Creature that you didn't like and why aren't you accounting for the likelihood that he just has a different opinion than you? What made you change your mind on Drealmerz and unvote?

-BV

@Wormhole

I never said the bolded. Your parner (s) seemed to misread my earlier words regarding creature and the miller claim. I did accept that a miller claim could be made by scum and town, but I never said that the chances of either were equally likely-I leaned towards town claiming miller more often than scum, hence I applied that to Creature. Creature is a town lean for that claim, but it is a very fragile town lean, not so much a confirm town read.

Regarding Dreal, it's not that I don't realize he can have a different opinion, it's that I want to understand his opinion about Creature better, and that is why I've been asking him questions about Creature to clarify things. Initially, I thought he jumped the gun on Creature, but I looked back at his posts and saw that he voted Creature after Creature didn't say flavor after the claim and he implied that Creature strayed from their town meta. So, I kind of see the progression and I unvoted, although I wanted to see more elaboration on the Creature meta.

Transition from this:

OK, and what about the claim makes him town? And why did you vote Dreal right after this post?

I have this tendency of townreading like every miller claim, maybe so does he.

To this:

The miller claim is null to me as it's easily something I can see being planned in the mafia thread.

If that was suggested, I would probably be posting:
"I don't think I'm the most suitable to

make a miller claim and try to live until endgame

"

It does not ring well. I can understand if Creature was straight up scumread by Wormhole, but I don't think a null read can give this type of response because it betrays too much concern of how people sees himself/herself, albeit very slight. There seems to be a bit of self-preservation thrown in there as well in the bolded lines.

VOTE: Creature

I'm looking foward to a response from EspeciallyTheLies for my earlier post to him/her.

[Fenraiser]

Where's Firaja and CityElectric btw?

City is VLA. Firaja and the other guy should be prodded at this point I believe.

[Fenraiser]

Post 98 is still a very very weird progression. 80 and 82 doesn't justify that at all.

I agree with this to an extent.

[Fenraiser]

You agree you have a very weird progression?

I can see how it seems weird if I look at my posts objectively. So, strangely, I kind of agree. I don't think it's a bad progression despite it being a bit strange though.

What do you think of my recent post about you (Post 98)?

[Fenraiser]

That was the weird progression post I pointed out.

You went 180 over something that was actually false (me being scumread by Wormhole).

Where was I scumread by Wormhole btw?

You might want to read my post again. I said your response to Wormhole was iffy because you were

nullread

by Wormhole,

not

scumread.

[Fenraiser]

It's not necessarily self-preservation.

What would you call it from your POV? What were you thinking when you wrote the posts that I quoted and responded to?

[Fenraiser]

Ignore the last question. I just want the first question now (plus I read the context so I think my second question is redundant).

[Fenraiser]

What would you call it from your POV?

Probably a reminder.

It can't be self-preservation because there was no threat of me being lynched.

Alright. You do make a fair point in terms of self-preservation.

Prodge

I'm down to PLing this one if this behavior continues.

VOTE: ETL

[Fenraiser]

Anyone's gonna use finals as an excuse someday.

Finals are real. I mostly want explanation for that ETL post on Misa.

[Fenraiser]

Mafiascum days are longer than other sites.

[Fenraiser]

ETL is bad lynch today

Why is ETL a bad lynch Whemestar?

[Fenraiser]

Fire VS Gorkington is weird af. Good thing to look into later.

@Wormhole

If you want a response with your vote on me, I just see weird progression being the main reason for it, although I don't think weird progression marks scum by itself, so I kind of skimmed over it.

I also think we should have a CFD target in place soon.



Also, what do you think of Whemestar's response?

[Fenraiser]

Fire VS Gorkington is weird af. G

Ur face is weird

?

Fire VS Gorkington is weird af. Good thing to look into later.

why

Gut.

[Fenraiser]

Okay fenraiser doesnt know what he is doing

Incorrect. I don't know how much I don't know what I'm doing.

[Fenraiser]

Spoiler:

Fire VS Gorkington is weird af. Good thing to look into later.

@Wormhole

If you want a response with your vote on me, I just see weird progression being the main reason for it, although I don't think weird progression marks scum by itself, so I kind of skimmed over it.

I also think we should have a CFD target in place soon.

Also, what do you think of Whemestar's response?

I mean, it was a weird progression, and you agreed that it was a weird progression. I don't really understand why you made that progression on someone you were townreading, or why you backed off of it when the person you're voting calls it weird and then decide to immediately sheep them on another wagon altogether; doing so makes it seem like it isn't something you had conviction about in the first place. Basically I don't get it.

What's your current Creature read?

And what whemestar response are you referring to?

And what does CFD mean?

Creature is null.

Whemestar Response:

Spoiler:

ETL is bad lynch today

Why is ETL a bad lynch Whemestar?

I'll be keeping that to myself

CFD just means changing the lynch target last minute (better used in open set-ups actually).

I really hate miller claims from town btw I think it is a terrible way to play it so am just inclined to think it is a scum who is trying to get away with shit

I mean, what's to lose for scum doing that if the site meta is for town to claim it out of the gate

anyway, it's HOW creature did it that makes me scumlean him up through that point that I voted him, combined with his short answers in that wallpost that to me were just easy/convenient LAMIST comments, for the most part - toneread him scum really hard up through that, and the "ohyah I'm miller" is blehhhhhh

I like the explanation. I'm not so experienced in tone reading so I can't really understand some parts. I also think it's much better to claim D1 as town miller then wait till a red check, so this in addition to the meta makes it frustrating to judge him.

Firaja, Fykus, and City have been slanking I think.

What do you guys think of the Drealz situation right here?

Why did you only call out these three for lurking? There were more at this point. My predecessor for example.

The presence of these 3 were not noticeable at all compared to everyone else.

[Fenraiser]

Spoiler:

Random number generator. Creature miller claim does look nice tbh.

nice as in lynchy nice

?

I also just realized this statement is weird without a question mark -- I was asking for clarification, not agreement.

(As an aside, GL on your last final, skitter!)

I don't think anyone even asked about this post from you, Misa. Comes off defensive and paranoid about how you are being read.

VOTE: misatange

/rvs

@EspeciallytheLies

I do not see your logical progression.

How does that question in post 26 and comment in post 38 make Misa come off as defensive and paranoid about being read if she wasn't addressing herself but actually creature?

@Chick

What do you think of this post by your predecessor that went unanswered?