In post 2839, Mathdino wrote:Mastina I agreed with you on that until Beefster decided to vote Marangal, then me, then himself
IB wasn't present and Beefster basically gave up
How I'd handle it--If scum are the last scum alive and give up they will literally claim scum and give up. Failing that, giving up is EITHER:
-Faked (thus, scum), OR:
-Genuine, thus, town.
Beefster's giving up was not claiming scum; Beefster's giving up was demonstrably not faked; given this, Beefster town.
btw the worst asked for advice so now that the game's over I'm gonna give it
What I perceive as important when I'm playing town is forming reads and pushing them. I'm pretty good at the former, not so good at the latter. I feel like if one lacks the other loses it's impact.
As scum there's a few things you should know.
1) you're job is not to look towny, it's to get town lynched. imo a good scum never gets suspected but a great scum can be suspected and never get lynched.
2) Bussing should never be your plan A. This comes from experience with bigger games but honestly the further you get from a medium sized game to more disastrous bussing can be. With micros it's fairly simple: you bus d1, you open yourself up to getting trampled by roles that thrive with 1 scu remaining, such as tracker and JK. But with larger games it's more nuanced. I feel like because they have greater numbers larger scumteams feel more comfortable bussing, but too much and you neuter yourselves compared to the town which is likely equipped to take on your big team.
idk if I have any other advice but this is what I can think of right now.
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To be honest compulsive visitor was a troll role here. As scummy as NM was I believed him because having only kthx complementing my role seemed crazy to me. I was sitting there saying people are fakeclaiming for sure and just attacked the people whose claims seemed less believable at the time (Mom & Beef notably). Like if I were any other role I would have pushed for NM lynch after acryon flipped and damn the consequences.
Dino the main reason I kept insisting on the "lynch dino at LYLO" was because I was hoping to manipulate scum into keeping both of us alive as long as possible. XD
I thought you were up to something saying that! Clever thinking. I was scared as hell when I realised Math would be alive in MyLo. (suggested killing him every night after n1 )
Btw if you guys lynched all of my buddies I would've been real sad
I think sheer good luck was part of our win there too. If A50 or acryon or even N_M rolled roleblocker we wouldn't have gotten away with messing with night actions as much as we did.... my townread was a fluke but combined with RB it was super handy.
Aggravating game. Very scum sided, though trying to break a game via PR claims is also a bit silly as well. No idea why we didn't lynch NM based purely on play. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, I will not make that mistake again. I should have stuck with my thought that having that many investigative rolls all be town was dumb. Ah well, gg scum.
If you think I'm scum D1, bet all your money I'm town.
Your target wasn't dumb. Your crumb was bad though. Had you crumbed hiding behind just about any other townie we would have shot then still. Check the Scum PT. We settled on shooting Icon precisely to get 2 Townies with one shot.
In post 2867, Almost50 wrote:FTR, I went into N1 thinking MASTINA might be our traitor!
To be fair.
Not a hard assumption to make. I was breadcrumbing a ton of things including that I quite literally had a scum role; a JOAT with a roleblock and rolecop screams scum pretty well.
In hindsight, I should have moved toward N_M lynch with my slot a lot earlier this phase. Having played with N_M before, it was just too similar to his last scum game with me not to jump on.
I guess James' fears of TW were not unfounded LMAO. To be honest, I was blindsided by that.
gg though, I felt like this was a good show from everyone.
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inferno you guys really need to work on the certainty of your reads
it gets to a point where it just blows up the gamestate and makes it impossible to get any work done
self-awareness is a major element of mafia -- being able to go through your history and recognise the actual likelihood that your reads are better than random
my D1 read on A50 is, across multiple games, SIGNIFICANTLY better than random, and i think i'm the only player here who can claim that, which is why i was so damn frustrated when no one cared
that was a justified tunnel, justified by my own skill at reading A50
my reads on marangal or beefster are not, however, better than random (in fact my read on marangal is worse than random), nor is my read on not_mafia (although i do think my ability to read N_M is currently better than random given that i was scumreading him most of the game), which is why i was uncertain in the lylo and didn't blow up the game over tunnels
your reads this game were worse than random
which is fine, but you gotta stop acting like you're better than everyone, and work on working with others
"I just want to play mafia, not Economics Wonderland." - cytheflyguy
what was actually hilarious was when inferno was tunneling RC's slot in 1851
and james brafin was so trusting of inferno and of his own (inaccurate) read on RC in 1851, that he used that game as ongoing meta to incorrectly read RC AGAIN in his own newbie game with RC
you guys just acted so arrogant about it (something that RC is by no means innocent of, but he's banned soooo)
it was painful to watch both games
and then see the exact same kind of behaviour toward me this game
you guys clearly saw me as the RC here but it felt like you were using your incorrect scumreads of RC in those two games to peg me as scum here
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In post 2869, Inferno390 wrote:I guess James' fears of TW were not unfounded LMAO. To be honest, I was blindsided by that.
Tfw James policy lynches me for the rest of time
I felt like you guys could've used conftown status more here. If you were feeling paranoid about Math or smthn talk to someone else you're townreading and work out whether it's founded. They might lead you down the garden path but EVEN THAT generates really solid content. Even as scum tbh I would've said to drop the read, our favourite dinosaur did literally nothing scum motivated the entire game.
My preference of lynches in MyLo was Beefster > Mom > Math > you > N_M > me
But the likelihood of lynches happening was probably Beefster > N_M > Mom > me > {Math, you}
The Math paranoia without many reads on other players was a little damaging here.
I'm gonna be real annoyed if people put the responsibility for this game on my head when I lynched 2 scum in a row, drove one mislynch, and lost Mylo to a self hammerer who refused to vote scum
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