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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:59 pm

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And thank you tonnes xyzzy for hosting. I am really really liking the Echo Bay narrative.
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:14 pm

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sorry worst i rly thought u were sucm
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:17 pm

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so some thoughts from me on balance:

first, I didn't get this game reviewed, so if it's unbalanced, whoops that's my fault. my goal was to create a setup where the mafia had things to do besides just killing, but where the vast majority of their power came from the premise behind the setup. I viewed being a mafia neighbor as strictly a negative utility role, because even though it's mod WIFOM, it's still information that 2 townies have that the mafia doesn't really benefit that much from. additionally, I felt that the watcher is effectively only capable of finding the doctor; while it's possible that they could've found the other power roles by watching the right folks, it wouldn't have actually had any effect since they were 1-shot roles. I didn't anticipate something like being able to confirm that the kill wasn't prevented by a roleblocker, which is a neat side effect of how that role worked in this setup, so I felt that any result of "no one else targeted that player" was basically just the absence of information.

I think the fact that the cop 1)didn't use their power night 1, 2)fake claimed a negative utility role day 2, and 3)immediately requested replacement and got lynched probably hurt the town's chances a lot. that's a lot of potential town advantage thrown away.

if I were to run this again, here are some changes I might make: first, make one of the neighbors a neighborhood-exclusive innocent child (so everyone in the neighborhood receives explicit confirmation that this player is town, but no one outside gets that info). that makes sussing out who in the neighborhood might be mafia MUCH easier and also makes it harder for the mafia to kill either neighbor without the mafia neighbor looking suspicious to the other neighbor. second, I'd probably add 1-2 more 1-shot roles to the town. third, I might add another powerful town role that is also an enabled role in some way -- either tie it to the enabler that already exists in the setup or perhaps do something like have the role continue to function as long as all 3 mafia members are still alive.

despite the scum sided nature of the setup, though, I think in practice the premise of having a deadline for the game as a whole like this worked out really well. it's probably not necessary to get quite as granular as having it be down to the minute, but I'd love to see other experimentation with the format.

I'll release private topics including the 22-page mafia topic (!) in a bit.

also look forward to my next game, Echo Bay Grits SEO, coming to the large theme queue in uhhhhhhh however long it takes me to fill out the thing to join the queue!
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:27 pm

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In post 1276, vonflare wrote:sorry worst i rly thought u were sucm
That's ok, I hardscumread you later
Kinda just wanted to jam w/ you about profii....in hindsight it seems kinda obvious you were town... :lol: I am a derp

I didn't approach it the right way, I reckon next time we're both town we'll probs be more in sync
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:44 pm

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In post 1277, xyzzy wrote:despite the scum sided nature of the setup, though, I think in practice the premise of having a deadline for the game as a whole like this worked out really well. it's probably not necessary to get quite as granular as having it be down to the minute, but I'd love to see other experimentation with the format.
When you originally mentioned it in sitecat, this is what hooked me. The idea is so so cool.

The concept was scum sided sure but I think town was just seriously outplayed here. We had plenty of power to turn this around but some really bad decisions (including me being a lazy scumy butt) lost it for us.

Ftr re dead thread--I think I was a fair vig target. I was just surprised it happened after the hood soft. Von/I seemed to resolve each other at some point.
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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:53 pm

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Argh.
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:54 pm

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I think my reads were good. Just, couldn't convince people. At least this time it wasn't my own lynch that caused town loss like normal.
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:55 pm

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My reads were garbage.

But it's been pointed out by several people that most people think I'm garbage at this game anyway.
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:01 pm

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In post 1282, Chickadee wrote:My reads were garbage.

But it's been pointed out by several people that most people think I'm garbage at this game anyway.
You're awesome Chicka<3
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:35 pm

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In post 1283, the worst wrote:
In post 1282, Chickadee wrote:My reads were garbage.

But it's been pointed out by several people that most people think I'm garbage at this game anyway.
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:37 pm

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But no more vigging me!! :P
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:07 pm

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No promises <3
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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:46 pm

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In post 949, Kokichi Oma wrote:Asuka is just bad town, I believe.
I feel like whenever I say this, the person turns out to be scum. I'm just going to stop using this train of thought. Had Nero, but Profil played very well. Played different from when we were scum together, so that's why I didn't scumread him much.
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:58 pm

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I wanted to lynch profit so bad, and for some reason we didn't.
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:58 pm

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I wanted to at some point, but then he had good posts.
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:29 pm

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sorry about lynching you before reading the game Kokichi, I would have opposed your lynch had I progressed further in the game
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:51 pm

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It's fine. It happens to me a lot.
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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:17 pm

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How I got away with being L-1 I do not know

If you look in my ISO I specifically asked for Vons opinion on the matter as he was largely afk at the time and hadn’t really got involved

I only did it because at the time the hood hadn’t been outed, but between me / Von / Worst I’m sure they knew why I specifically wanted Von to pitch in

Somehow that started a counter wagon and I got away with it

But you guys were not far away. I would imagine if you hit one of our scum team, you’d of had essentially 2 innos and then picked out associatives I would have thought

Close but no cigar. Puppy power eh
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:20 pm

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y is there no dead thread yet?
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:35 pm

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Oh and sorry Chickodee but your hammer that time was very helpful - we loved you in the scum thread
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:36 pm

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We were also trying to stay away from the hood as not to point town into my direction so your uncontested vig confession was also helpful. It was interesting that some people then thought “maybe it’s a town hood”

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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:50 pm

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In post 1293, Nero Cain wrote:y is there no dead thread yet?
There was no dead thread.

If there was I was never given access.
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:52 pm

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Oh wait there is a dead thread. I was just never shown. I found it. Derp.
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:12 am

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could we get PT releases, please? I'd really like to see what the dead and neighbours did :]
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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:23 am

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I can nearly fit the hood in an entire screenshot, it’s only 2 pages
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