Mini 2014: Succinct Mafia (Over)

[MathBlade]

That’s even worse.

[Kokichi Oma]

Not sure if you're scum or just playing terribly

[Pine]

I’m fine with a deadline.

VOTE: Fuzzy

I’d like to revisit Kokichi on D2

[havingfitz]

remind me of this when fitz flips red

Mmm

I'm not entirely confident in that flip

, but I disagree with the notion that he makes sense. As it stands, he doesn't seem to be doing anything out of the ordinary for him

VOTE: fitz

This is honestly probably the best wagon.

What in the three posts I made between these posts from you made me "honestly probably" the best wagon after being on the fence about me being scum? Also..."honestly probably" is the kind of language that pings me even more on you. "honestly probably?"

Am I "honestly probably" the best wagon because I think you are scum?

It's pretty weird that the one post he didn't like is the one where his competence is questioned (again) and I feel like he is scum reading me because of that.

I scum read you before you started with the ad homs against me to discredit my suspicions towards you.

[Momrangal]

Yeah sure. You're the best wagon because I am an omgusser.

Keep pretending I didn't show my progression of thought regarding your slot though.

Let's also pretend I didn't already explain why those three beginning scum reads were bad, even in isolation of each other.

[Momrangal]

All that aside....

Both are not really analyzing the game, and even though I can admit that math is kiinnddaaa thinking critically I don't think Fitz is really doing that at all this game

Oh look! I didn't even need to write a reason for why I think your scum because I already did, something you're still failing to do even at this point in time.

[SirCakez]

SirCakez, I'm mostly just trying to feel people out and making notes to myself. Sometimes I want to see if people are consistent in their statements and responses, if there's any reasoning behind certain statements or votes. For example my question to Fitz re: still forming an opinion on Fuzzy. His response didn't really strike me as meriting a follow-up.

Other questions are legitimately out of curiosity or seeking other points of view. For example, when I asked you about your townlean on momrangal, I really didn't know what you were seeing that I wasn't. When I asked Pine why he was reading Wisdom as town it was a bit of both. Pine's statement was completely unsubstantiated, so I wanted him to clarify, and if he had a good reason to townread him I wanted to know what I was missing.

I could probably be more focused in my questioning, but I feel like this game keeps stalling and I'm just trying to do something to keep things moving in different directions so that we can sort things out. I'll try to do better, but honestly there's just a lot of lurking and bickering going on here and it's getting frustrating.
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On that note, how do we feel about voting in a deadline?

I like this response, I think Math is really wrong here.

@Math maybe Fuzzy wagon isn't happening b/c people prefer other lynches?

Struggling for stuff to say here :/

Vote for deadline

[MathBlade]

That seems dumb.

One scum dead is as good as any other scum dead.

It’s one less scum in the game. Get to 0 we win.

I don’t like this situation at all.

[LuckyOtter]

Searched the thread for mentions of Fuzzy.

Arc, you haven't mentioned Fuzzy since his early wagon. What are your thoughts now?

Hiraki, you haven't mentioned Fuzzy at all. Thoughts on him?

Koki, if you shared my thoughts on his last post, why aren't you voting him?

[Kokichi Oma]

VOTE: fuzzy

Forgot to vote in the last post and didnt want to make posts too close together

[ArcAngel9]

i am not confident on fitz wagon.

Dunn whats your thoughts on Hiraki?

Why?

What differentiates him and hiraki?

I already stated my thoughts about FITZ, please go back and read. And are you defending Hiraki? the question is why not?

Searched the thread for mentions of Fuzzy.

Arc, you haven't mentioned Fuzzy since his early wagon. What are your thoughts now?

Hiraki, you haven't mentioned Fuzzy at all. Thoughts on him?

Koki, if you shared my thoughts on his last post, why aren't you voting him?

I am absolutely clueless on this slot. I am so focused on getting my read on fitz and others. I can look at fuzzy later today.

[Wisdom]

Unofficial VC

TheFuzzyLogic99 - 4 (LuckyOtter, MathBlade, Pine, Kokichi Oma)
EeveeLution Army - 3 (SirCakez, Dunnstral, havingfitz)
havingfitz - 2 (Momrangal, Wisdom)
Wisdom - 1 (Hiraki)
Hiraki - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Pine - 1 (EeveeLution Army)

Not Voting - 1 (TheFuzzyLogic99)

7 to lynch.

I could vote Fuzzy again but lynching fitz or Hiraki would be more satisfying

[SirCakez]

tbhj just flipping SOMEONE will help here, game is so dead

[Pine]

If Fuzzy were Town, he'd be lynched by now.

[Wisdom]

um nope

[Pine]

In fact, I'm guessing one scum each on either CW.

Fitz is a CW, so he's prob Town. Wis is Town this game.

{Fuzzy, Dunn, Mom}?

[Wisdom]

you are forcing conclusions and making me suspect you

base your scumreads on counterwagons when you have a flip, not before

[ArcAngel9]

If fuzzy flips or Eeve flips town, there has to be at least one scum in each of their wagons.


TheFuzzyLogic99 - 4 (LuckyOtter, MathBlade, Pine, Kokichi Oma)
EeveeLution Army - 3 (SirCakez, Dunnstral, havingfitz)

[Pine]

you are forcing conclusions and making me suspect you

base your scumreads on counterwagons when you have a flip, not before

Ehhhh, that’s fair.

[MathBlade]

you are forcing conclusions and making me suspect you

base your scumreads on counterwagons when you have a flip, not before

Ehhhh, that’s fair.

In fact, I'm guessing one scum each on either CW.

Fitz is a CW, so he's prob Town. Wis is Town this game.

{Fuzzy, Dunn, Mom}?

Unofficial VC

TheFuzzyLogic99 - 4 (LuckyOtter, MathBlade, Pine, Kokichi Oma)
EeveeLution Army - 3 (SirCakez, Dunnstral, havingfitz)
havingfitz - 2 (Momrangal, Wisdom)
Wisdom - 1 (Hiraki)
Hiraki - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Pine - 1 (EeveeLution Army)

Not Voting - 1 (TheFuzzyLogic99)

7 to lynch.

I could vote Fuzzy again but lynching fitz or Hiraki would be more satisfying

Wisdom’s critique is crap. Furthermore he only does it to Pine not AA9.

Scum don’t just not join wagons til EOD they vote whenever they find it necessary to mislynch.

Taking snapshots in time then asking why a person moved on or off is really important.

[MathBlade]

Lucky is bussing, Wisdom is scum off promoting fitz so he looks Townie.

Fuzzy is just skating by hoping no one gives a damn.

@Cakez you think the game is apathetic and needs a flip, join us on Fuzzy.

[Dunnstral]

tbhj just flipping SOMEONE will help here, game is so dead

I mean, I argued for deadline in pre-game but it never took off

In fact, I'm guessing one scum each on either CW.

Fitz is a CW, so he's prob Town. Wis is Town this game.

{Fuzzy, Dunn, Mom}?

This is reaching and you don't really explain how you get these reads

If fuzzy flips or Eeve flips town, there has to be at least one scum in each of their wagons.


TheFuzzyLogic99 - 4 (LuckyOtter, MathBlade, Pine, Kokichi Oma)
EeveeLution Army - 3 (SirCakez, Dunnstral, havingfitz)

This is looking bad too - why does there have to be one scum on each wagon? Explain it like I'm 5, please.

[havingfitz]

Math...why is fuzzy scum aside from meta?

Fuzzy...why aren't you doing anything? ffs. Who's scum. Who are you inclined to vote?

[Pine]

I actually did explain them.

1) I’m reading Fuzzy as scum.
2) I’m reading the Eevee and Fitz counterwagons as Town.
3) My guess is that there’s one scum on each CW. This is the part that’s a stretch, and is a blind guess. Wis is right that it’s not really good scumhunting.
4) I’m reading Fitz and Wis as Town.
5) That leaves two in {Mom, Cakez, Dunn}
6) Cakez seems to want to solve.
7) Dunn and Mom are scum with Fuzzy. Gamesolve.

Frankly, Dunn trying to paint that read as baseless suggests I hit a nerve.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom’s critique is crap. Furthermore he only does it to Pine not AA9.

arc has been steadily scumreading hiraki and i agree with her
what would i critique her for?