Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Errantparabola]

see you tomorrow!

[skitter30]

uh honestly that makes me think you did that so you can conf bv as scum without having to go through the motions of trying to figure out if it's me

but have a good night!

[Errantparabola]

not a big deal
you were locked as town already to me, didnt want keyser to waste his time

[skitter30]

also i'm kinda getting the vibe that u just don't really want to do lylo

i don't know if that's ai tbh

[Keyser Söze]

UNVOTE:
Just making sure you're town

Scummy stunt who

knows

Skitter is town, and

knows

Skitter won't quickhammer.


You did a disappearing act when town misslynched Gamma. You made yourself

present

on the TW and mom lynches. You disappeared yesterday when town misslynched Gustavo...


So what was your gameplan... don't get involved with the misslynches too hard... gain some towncred via the neighborizor claim... then survive til the end?

Tell me why I shouldn't believe in this narrative.

Answer this please...

From D1:

No longer townreading worst.

I still don’t know why you neighbourized TheWorst... you may have explained before, but nothing has resonated with me yet.

Why not choose to share a town pt with one of your strong town reads?

[brassherald]

John Tyler had 15 children, more than any other president.

VoteCount 6.02

Errantparabola (1)

~ BlackVoid

BlackVoid (1)

~ Errantparabola

Not Voting (2)

~ Keyser Soze, skitter30
With 4 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.

Day 6 ends in (expired on 2018-08-15 22:00:00)

[skitter30]

bv ur being very quiet and it's actually low-key disconcerting me

i shall now try to look at votecounts

[skitter30]

"What are you staring at? Haven't you ever seen a great man before?"

Votecount 1.5

skitter30(2)

~ Keyser Söze(45), Irrelephant11(16)

Nauci(2)

~ Mathdino(40), Shoshin(62)

Momrangal(2)

~

northsidegal(4)

,

the worst(37)

the worst(1)

~ Invisibility(26)

Shoshin(1)

~ skitter30(38)

northsidegal(1)

~ stungun0404(24)

Mathdino(1)

~ Bernie Sanders(66)

Invisibility(1)

~ Momrangal(6)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Nauci(17)


Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald(24)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-02 17:10:00)

this is actually a pretty bizarre vc if ep is scum tbh

[skitter30]

"Hey, I've got this kite, and this key..."

Votecount 1.6

Momrangal(4)

~ northsidegal(4), the worst(48), skitter30(41), stungun0404(28)

skitter30(2)

~ Keyser Söze(56), Irrelephant11(18)

Nauci(2)

~ Mathdino(40), Shoshin(62)

the worst(1)

~ Invisibility(26)

Mathdino(1)

~ Bernie Sanders(66)

Invisibility(1)

~ Momrangal(6)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Nauci(17)


Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald(24)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-02 17:10:00)

and so is this one but tbf i don't think nsg was around anymore at this point

[skitter30]

they were both on mom till 1.10 over a span of three irl days while tw was the biggest wagon which is actually kinda odd tbh

maybe not so odd because nsg and mom were effectively lurker slots

and tw a bit too

[skitter30]

But vca is a helpful tool and it is honestly just very likely that I'm write about the 2/1 split, with a possible exception in the case of lurky scum

there's almost for sure at least one scum on the wagon, and i doubt all three of them are on it

i really have no way of pinning down whether it's one or two at this time

Gamma Emerald(7) ~ Mathdino, Shoshin, Not_Mafia, Gustavo, the worst, Irrelephant11, Bernie Sanders
Momrangal(2) ~

skitter30

, Nauci
Bernie Sanders(2) ~ Keyser Söze, Momrangal
Shoshin(1) ~

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (1): Errantparabola

although if i actual look at this and color in the flips and me it's indicative that if there's two off it's one of {errant/nauci} and one of {keyser/ mom} (ignoring my own personal reads + the fact that i don't think two scum were sitting on bernie at eod)

if we factor in my reads it points to mom + errant i think given town!nauci and scum!mom

that's my most likely guess if there's two off.

huh

[skitter30]

There have been two sets of father-son Presidents, John Adams/John Quincy Adams and George H.W. Bush/George W. Bush.

Votecount 2.7

momrangal (4)

~ Bernie Sanders, skitter30, Errantparabola, the worst

the worst(1)

~ Irrelephant11

Shoshin (1)

~ Gustavo

Keyser Soze (1)

~ shoshin

Gustavo (1)

~ Not_Mafia

Not Voting (3): BlackVoid, Momrangal,Keyser Soze, Nauci

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-15 20:30:00)

interesting too

ep didn't vote anywhere day1

and his vote day2 was only on tw and mom (at least to where i'm up to)

actually ep looks pretty good by vca

[skitter30]

5 Presidents never gave an inaugural speech.

Votecount 4.Final

Not_Mafia (5)

~ BlackVoid, Irrelephant11, Gustavo, Errantparabola, Nauci

Errantparabola (1)

~ Not_Mafia

Not Voting (2)

~ skitter30, Keyser Soze

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2018-08-01 08:00:00)

A lynch has been achieved.

besides for this vote on nm i think ep's slot has only voted scum

i'm trying to figure otu if that's a good thing or a bad thing

[skitter30]

ok what i learned from that is that ep's slot actually looks pretty good via vca

given that ep didn't have super strong scumreads throughout the agme i'm wondering why his only votes were on scum tho

@ep: do you tend to vote a lot as town?

[skitter30]

actually can you maybe link the past couple of towngames you've played?

it's a little hard to pick them out from your posting history

[skitter30]

also i think that besides for the much-discussed n1 kill and last night (sorta) all the kills were dictated by outed prs so nka isn't super useful this game

[skitter30]

ok i need to read through bv's iso (tomorrow)

and maybe my own if i have time and feel like it

but i'm strongly tending to ep rn

i just need to finish my due diligence first given mylo

if it's actually bv i will be some combination of annoyed and impressed that he pocketed me this hard

[BlackVoid]

bv ur being very quiet and it's actually low-key disconcerting me

i shall now try to look at votecounts

I don't have much to add at this point. I made my decision and I was right. Just waiting for you and Keyser to make yours. I asked if you wanted to talk in real time and you said you were thinking aloud so I'm just letting you solve. If you were expecting like a case on errant/towncase on me, I did these already last DP. Errant hasn't said anything in response.

[BlackVoid]

Regarding the weird VCs, I don't think the early votes were meaningful enough where there was an actual threat of lynch.

Regarding EP looking good through VC's, I would say it's a bad thing. Even much earlier before I knew he was scum, the way he treated Momrangal made me think he was bussing. Or at least it looked like what I would do if I were scum.

So, I looked over Errantparabola's posting. There are some things I liked. I think the claim and neighborizing TheWorst felt pretty town because I feel like mafia's go-to option as a neighborizer would be to neighborize a "townread" and fool them in the neighborhood. That has an astounding success rate. I also think his play around TheWorst claim was genuine. The delayed part of the neighborhood also feels like a town modifier which makes it weaker.

What I don't like about his posting are the mysterious townreads on Nauci (claiming that Nauci is making good points and focused on getting reads is flat-out wrong. The townread on Irrelephant is also not understandable). Mysteriously having me at the bottom of his readslist is weird too.

His progression on Momrangal is a bit too one-dimensional. He consistently suspects Momrangal for reasons that aren't very strong, hops on mid-wagon and stays there, pointing out pre-flip associatives. I couldn't help thinking that if I were scum, this is how I would bus.

So, I'm pretty conflicted here.

That was my reaction to his posts

[Keyser Söze]

[skitter30]

I don’t think I can trust you. I actually think you’re a good chance at being mom’s partner.

You should. I've already put much more into this game than I've ever done as scum over whole games. As scum, I would almost certainly have voted Momrangal early on because looking good is more important than being right. I was unsure between Momrangal and TheWorst and really wanted to make sure I made the right decision there. I would

never

have made a post like 2423 as scum. I wouldn't spend a whole catchup pushing my partner and then flush any potential towncred I could get down the toilet by backing off at the last moment.

I also didn't "disappear." I went to sleep and when I woke up, I found out N_M hammered. I don't think I can convince you that not voting until you're ready isn't anti-town but since you know for a fact, I hold onto my vote, you should see that it isn't alignment indicative.

Ok skimming through bv's iso in bits and pieces but honestly how he interacted with the mom wagon is pretty damn town for him/his playstyle because scum!him knows shes flipping scum and would want the towncred of very obviously being on the wagon

Overall I think hes iso is pretty townie (and that I should have picked up on that ages ago)

I'm going to pick up from this post later

And then check if the ep-voting thing is ai in any way

I'm going to try to finish this by the end of the day and then vote so ep if you have anything you'd like to add now would be the time to do so

[skitter30]

Although if ep is scum I'm wondering who even like came up with this - we have a 1shot rb who's going to pretend to be a neighborizer and neighborize his partner, and will then out his partner's fake guilty in the most incriminating way possible and hardbus him and then coast for the rest of the game

Like just putting it like that ... how did they even decide to make this a thing

It's just so outlandish

And scum!bv means - scum gets neighborized by town day2 and heavily softed that hes going to investigate his (1srb) partner in thread and then tells that to his town neighbor overnight who then outs him the next day, and the 1srb incidentally claims something that doesn't really fit with with the fake-guilty before his partner claims, and then the bussing partner was going to try to coast for the rest of the game despite being heavily suspected and people wondering why he isnt dead

That's slightly more believable but not by much

[Errantparabola]

will respond tonight, I have a final

[Keyser Söze]

Regarding VCA, we shouldn't read too much into it as scum had daychat, so knew when to distance/create WIFOM/when to bus etc.

[Keyser Söze]

It's just so outlandish

So outlandish we should be voting me or you today...