Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[Elbirn]

i thought nsg was scumreading me for sarcastic poke at her for what i believe as bad reasons to townread someone, which i have done as scum in games where she modded. I think she has seen me do that at least 2 times and might think "scum tell". So her responding with a scumread on me completely made sense to me.

I'm having difficulty finding this event :c

[northsidegal]

-shrug-

it's just something of a tone read, i guess. i liked 96 as feeling natural. i'm certain it's not a good thing to townread things like this, but i also think 185 typically comes from town.

If Varsoon makes another wall post or anyone quotes one again I'm replacing out. I dont know what kind of stupid bullshit this is but I refuse to believe that any mod gives the post restriction of "you have to quote and reply to EVERY post". I also flat out refuse to read any of those because the ratio of meaningless noise to actual information is astronomical. I'm on mobile and it takes me a few minutes to just scroll past them, let alone bother to read them, and I couldn't even reply until we got to a page without a wall on it because there was so much fucking text on my screen that it slowed my phone to a crawl and only allowed me to type about 1 character per 5 seconds.

So yeah that's basically where I'm at thanks for letting me rage I love you all but no seriously stop it

here was him poking fun at me for townreading you for 185

he's somewhat right in that i would consider that post from him to be mildly scum indicative. apart from that i also think that a lot of the way that he talked to varsoon earlier today seemed like he actually knew he was town while he was meant to be scumreading him – for example, telling him to stop doing things that'll make the game worse in some way (e.g. more toxic) whereas i would imagine that someone scumreading varsoon would simply point to those things and say "these are scum motivated".

[Firebringer]

i thought it was pretty explicit when i was talking to varsoon i wasn't engaging him on what alignment i thought he was and didn't think it was relevant to alignment to talk about how he was approaching it and he should stop regardless.

but if you want to read my alignment from that, go for it.

[northsidegal]

that's fair and i don't think that doing that is something that you shouldn't do as town or that always comes from scum

[Firebringer]

so what u think of my townread on u?

[Firebringer]

better question:
how do you think i would approach ur read as town or scum in this scenario?

[northsidegal]

i didn't really take it as AI one way or the other. i don't really have much of a theory for how you would approach me as scum vs as town, although i would say that i wouldn't really expect you to scumread me if you were scum.

[Firebringer]

i likely wouldn't scumread u as scum.
why do you think that though?

[northsidegal]

i feel like most people who are relatively familiar with me typically don't scumread me unless i'm playing a particularly lurky game. i also think that most people who are relatively familiar with me would rather try to pocket me and "work with me" or something similar rather than antagonizing or distancing themselves from me.

i also -imagine- that you are the type of person who, as scum, might keep people around just based on enjoying their presence, perhaps moreso than for any strategic reason. would you disagree?

[Firebringer]

i don't disagree with that very much.
though i think more of its harder for me to manufacture fake scumreads on a player such as urself without giving a lot superficial bs to it which i think you could easily tear into

also i am trying to pocket u right now with this engagement.
don't think its working, might have to go to plan b.

and i would keep people around if i enjoy them as scum but if theres a consensus usually i just hop on while bitching about it.

[Firebringer]

plan b involves name calling until u townread me.

[MariaR]

What's your issue.

[Firebringer]

I would do same to maria but i am not going to even bother engaging her about this.

[mutantdevle]

You know how someone wins this shit in 30 minutes?
They crack a plan with their team that each of them solves 15 scavenger hunt items then one person submits the list.
If he had on-the-ball help from town neighbors that are pocketed into the plan, it's even easier.

The only other way someone does that shit in 30 flat is if they're literally camping the thread for the game reveal in order to snipe it AS FAST AS POSSIBLE

You know who co-ordinates that level of making sure other people don't get power?
Scum.

I saw it happen before in a game that I modded.

Who do you think was involved in this plan? For this plan to work all scum involved would need to be online at the same time in order to help each other out. What do you think of the various people claiming whether or not they attempted the challenge or were present when the mini game was announced?

[mutantdevle]

Look, it's perfectly plausible that RC got all 40 correct completely on their own, rompers and all, in 31 minutes. I just don't think that sort of thing comes from town when coupled with how RC is approaching this game.

So are you saying that, given RCs lack of effort in the thread, the sudden burst of motivation to win the challenge is indicative that he may be scum? Whilst I don't think RCs behavior in the thread is AI in the slightest, I can see what you'd be saying here as I do think that, in a scum team with RC, RC would be the one who'd be chosen to 'snipe' the mini game as he'd have confidence in himself to wiggle his way out of any criticism faced over it.

[mutantdevle]

I don't think town gets a day-neighborizer on D1 in this setup.

Do you not think that it's far more likely that his role is just a limited shot neighbouriser (that can be used anytime) that RC just decided to use immediately like someone like him would do?

[mutantdevle]

Ok. I think this might be the scumteam:

MariaR, Radiant Cowbells, Firebringer

Who disagrees?

Me. If I could shoot 3 people right now then I'd only shoot 1 from this list at most.

[mutantdevle]

I really can't see why people scum read firebringer tbh. I don't recall anything overly town about him but he's never said anything that's irked me. I'm currently of the opinion that if FB AND RC != scum team then FB != scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s a needlessly convoluted way to say if one of RC and FB are scum you don’t think it’s FB

FoS: mutantdevle

[Varsoon]

I don't think town gets a day-neighborizer on D1 in this setup.

Do you not think that it's far more likely that his role is just a limited shot neighbouriser (that can be used anytime) that RC just decided to use immediately like someone like him would do?

The point stands. Town doesn't get that role in this setup if I had designed the setup. I didn't, though, so I have to keep that in mind and not let this outweigh/bias me on reading RC otherwise.

Look, it's perfectly plausible that RC got all 40 correct completely on their own, rompers and all, in 31 minutes. I just don't think that sort of thing comes from town when coupled with how RC is approaching this game.

So are you saying that, given RCs lack of effort in the thread, the sudden burst of motivation to win the challenge is indicative that he may be scum? Whilst I don't think RCs behavior in the thread is AI in the slightest, I can see what you'd be saying here as I do think that, in a scum team with RC, RC would be the one who'd be chosen to 'snipe' the mini game as he'd have confidence in himself to wiggle his way out of any criticism faced over it.

Pretty much. Especially given that we didn't know who would win or not.
Imagine if the winner wasn't revealed? RC could continue to just lurk in the shadows.
Honestly, the fact RC apparently had no problem clearing this check in 20 minutes (could've been something like 15 if not for minesweeper) indicates that unless we lynch RC, RC's liable to win every single minigame after this if they have the same weakness of design, meaning that RC basically just controls all the power of this game. This is not something I'd even trust with town RC, but the high likelihood that RC is scum here based on play alone means that leaving RC unchecked means giving scum fully upgraded roles.

@MOD: If someone wins a minigame but gifts the power from it, is it made public knowledge who they gifted it to?
For instance, RadiantCowbells won the last minigame--if they had decided to give the minigame power unlock to someone else, would that have been made public as well?

[mutantdevle]

Actually, I think a NSG-FB scum team would make sense but I don't scum read NSG so that's not anything to apply to FB. So basically I'd rather RC be lynched before FB unless NSG flips scum. But I have no interest in any of that right now and my point is that I don't think we should be voting for FB.

[Varsoon]

I really can't see why people scum read firebringer tbh. I don't recall anything overly town about him but he's never said anything that's irked me. I'm currently of the opinion that if FB AND RC != scum team then FB != scum.

You don't think scum would actively avoid stepping on town toes in order to avoid catching flak/attention?

[mutantdevle]

I really can't see why people scum read firebringer tbh. I don't recall anything overly town about him but he's never said anything that's irked me. I'm currently of the opinion that if FB AND RC != scum team then FB != scum.

You don't think scum would actively avoid stepping on town toes in order to avoid catching flak/attention?

Of course they would if they wanted to play safely. But I don't get the impression that FB is doing that. I also don't think that, from my limited experience, that FB is the kind of person that favours playing safe. Additionally, by the logic that you have just given me, you are suggesting that the main people you think that FB is interacting with is scum because he's 'avoiding stepping on town's toes'. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that include you?

[Nibbui]

Dunno

I don't really feel scum!FB strongly at all but if there is no better options for today...

What do you think of Fire here, Radiant?

[Not Known 15]

I don't really feel scum!FB strongly at all but if there is no better options for today...

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells
How about this option?
They won a minigame and unlocked a power, yet they are absolutely suspect in their behaviour, including, as mutant and Varsoon correctly pointed out, in their motivation(putting much effort into a minigame but not putting any good effort to help town catching scum). It is exactly that FB gets too much heat for their position that makes me nervous to lynch them - while Radiant Cowbells absolutely belongs lynched with their extra power but doesn't get pushed as they should.