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[Wisdom]

FL is right, i don't really get why he would produce a fake result on you

[Flavor Leaf]

That changed after I realized the night 1.

Idk why you quoted this. I’m clearly misreading the game as I said “I think it’s a no motion claim on a Wisdom”

I just don’t want Wisdom to coast.

They’re both scum.


You just town cased me, though. Thanks.

I don’t see how they’re w/w here. Please explain why 2 scum would ever CC each other, because I’m not seeing it. I also have no reason to think Wisdom is lying here. I have never ever seen him fake a guilty on anyone as either alignment in fact.

We know that Thor’s “no motion” result on us is false and he claimed to have identical results on Wisdom, so if that’s also true, then Wisdom’s claim is probably true.

I know we’re town and I don’t understand how Wisdom is scum here?

So one could coast? Thor was going down today anyways.

I was hard vibing it that way.

They talked it over, and came up with a plan.

There are ways Wisdom can be town, but how everything happened...

Idk, Kokichi and I definitely would have done something like that together as scum, so keep that in mind. Not all players have that mindset of never CC’ing each other. I think it’s a rather strong planned bus.

Me pushing this also gives TownWisdom a chance at living, which is also good.

Either way, town benefits from me pushing them as S/S. I’m not asking you to believe that read, I’m asking for it to be accepted as a potential possibility if it comes down to the wire and to not jump to conclusions.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL is right, i don't really get why he would produce a fake result on you

Especially Night 1. RC is a high priority to be targeted, and if CC was a PR, they’d likely have used it.

Even if Thor is scum, I would trust that result.

So something off is happening.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Ugh...damn. I’m getting a bad paranoia feel about a CC/Wisdom team. Ahhh.

Thor claimed to have gotten “identical results” on us N1 and Wisdom N2. Yes?

And we know for a fact that he did not get a “no motion” result on us, N1.

So, why should we put any stock into his Wisdom N2 “no motion” claim?

I didn’t grasp the N1 on you, guys.

This has been talked about already.

Even in the quote you quoted of mine, I was clearly misreading.

We’re literally pushing the same thing, I’m just also stating Wisdom is scum who is busing his partner right now.

They’re doing it EXACTLY because your slot specifically will let them coast on it.

What basis do you have for thinking Wisdom is bussing here? I already explained why I think his claim is valid because if Thor got identical results on both of us, then it would have had to be a “no results”, not a “no motion” and if that is true, there is no reason to think Wisdom is lying about his Thor guilty, is there?

[Flavor Leaf]

Simple.

In the same spot, I would have done the exact same thing.

When I was first starting on site back in ‘14, Wisdom was someone who stood out to me. I’ve meta dived him, gotten a sense for his personality, and looked into hypotheticals when in prior games with him.

Wisdom busing Thor, who if you look at the previous postings, alongside vote counts and current feuds, this day was expected to come in with a Thor vs Gamma mindset. Wisdom busing there, especially right after I was making it seem like I had something on either Wisdom or Thor, it was a distancing move.

Now they’ve gotta play in the world they created, and thread together things.

The only thing is Thor is clearly a MD, or planned to fake gambit MD earlier on, which, if Wisdom knew they were going to counter like that, gives perfect reasoning as why they would set up a 1v1 with each other. The other gets lock town’d.

Solid scum play, tbh. I’d expect nothing less of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Am I correct in assuming you prefer playing town over scum, Nancy?

[Celestial Coordinates]

FL is right, i don't really get why he would produce a fake result on you

I don’t know either, only that it is. There is no freaking way, Thor got a “no motion” result on us, N1. That’s how we know his claim is false.

If he was in fact roleblocked, he would have gotten a “no results” result but he insists that he couldn’t have been “roleblocked” both times.

But he claimed “no motion” on us, not “no results” - which mean he wasn’t roleblocked in either case.

If he claimed a “no motion” result on us, he’s lying.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL is right, i don't really get why he would produce a fake result on you

I don’t know either, only that it is. There is no freaking way, Thor got a “no motion” result on us, N1. That’s how we know his claim is false.

If he was in fact roleblocked, he would have gotten a “no results” result but he insists that he couldn’t have been “roleblocked” both times.

But he claimed “no motion” on us, not “no results” - which mean he wasn’t roleblocked in either case.

If he claimed a “no motion” result on us, he’s lying.

This isn’t necessarily true.
You guys could have been roleblocked, which when I went with setup spec earlier, i brought up scum having a potential roleblocker does in fact fit within the setup.

Something doesn’t add up here.

I think you should claim, tbh.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Simple.

In the same spot, I would have done the exact same thing.

When I was first starting on site back in ‘14, Wisdom was someone who stood out to me. I’ve meta dived him, gotten a sense for his personality, and looked into hypotheticals when in prior games with him.

Wisdom busing Thor, who if you look at the previous postings, alongside vote counts and current feuds, this day was expected to come in with a Thor vs Gamma mindset. Wisdom busing there, especially right after I was making it seem like I had something on either Wisdom or Thor, it was a distancing move.

Now they’ve gotta play in the world they created, and thread together things.

The only thing is Thor is clearly a MD, or

planned to fake gambit MD earlier on

, which, if Wisdom knew they were going to counter like that, gives perfect reasoning as why they would set up a 1v1 with each other. The other gets lock town’d.

Solid scum play, tbh. I’d expect nothing less of them.

That’s probably what it was then because his result on is fake.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like claim everything. It does not benefit town at all to keep things on your slot hidden from us anymore.

I’m jailing you anyways, you’re fine.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you had a loud role or mail on you Night 1, that probably should be claimed too.

Leave out any known PR’s, though.

You’re saying you had motion on you. We need to know how.

If you were doing an action, you could have been roleblocked, meaning that result by Thor isn’t fake even if he is Red.

[Celestial Coordinates]

FL is right, i don't really get why he would produce a fake result on you

I don’t know either, only that it is. There is no freaking way, Thor got a “no motion” result on us, N1. That’s how we know his claim is false.

If he was in fact roleblocked, he would have gotten a “no results” result but he insists that he couldn’t have been “roleblocked” both times.

But he claimed “no motion” on us, not “no results” - which mean he wasn’t roleblocked in either case.

If he claimed a “no motion” result on us, he’s lying.

This isn’t necessarily true.
You guys could have been roleblocked, which when I went with setup spec earlier, i brought up scum having a potential roleblocker does in fact fit within the setup.

Something doesn’t add up here.

I think you should claim, tbh.

No, he couldn’t have been roleblocked and gotten a “no motion” claim. That isn’t possible. That would only be possible, if

we

had been roleblocked.

[Celestial Coordinates]

@Mod - what result would a theoretical roleblocker get if there target performed no action?
What result would a theoretical roleblocker get if they were theoretically blocked?

the player should get "no movement" if the target...
was jailkept and attempted to use an action
was otherwise roleblocked
did not attempt to move
had no night action

but the player would get a "no result" if…
target was ascetic
target commuted
the player was jailkept, roleblocked, or otherwise stopped

the current head of the nrg is a reviewer for this game, i sincerely sincerely doubt there is going to be fuckery with no results like you are claiming but sure let's see

This setup was only

lightly

reviewed, more for role balance than anything else. It was NOT reviewed in the

traditional

sense where there is comprehensive reviewing from multiple reviewers.

[Wisdom]

thats what he said, nancy

[Flavor Leaf]

@Nancy - I said YOU guys could have been roleblocked. Not him.

You guys need to claim..

[Flavor Leaf]

Am I just being trolled by Nancy right now? If I am, that’s actually pretty funny.

[Wisdom]

sadly this will likely result in me having to claim

[Flavor Leaf]

sadly this will likely result in me having to claim

Nah, you’re fine. Don’t claim.

I definitely think CC has to claim, but RC’s gonna hard fight me and maybe even tunnel me because of it.

But like, it’s actually gonna help.

If they have a role, not like they get to use it anyways.

[Celestial Coordinates]

@Mod - what result would a theoretical roleblocker get if there target performed no action?
What result would a theoretical roleblocker get if they were theoretically blocked?

the player should get "no movement" if the target...
was jailkept and attempted to use an action
was otherwise roleblocked
did not attempt to move
had no night action

but the player would get a "no result" if…
target was ascetic
target commuted
the player was jailkept, roleblocked, or otherwise stopped

the current head of the nrg is a reviewer for this game, i sincerely sincerely doubt there is going to be fuckery with no results like you are claiming but sure let's see

This setup was only

lightly

reviewed, more for role balance than anything else. It was NOT reviewed in the

traditional

sense where there is comprehensive reviewing from multiple reviewers.

See, so if Thor had been roleblocked, not us, he would have gotten a “no results” as opposed to a “no motion” resut. That’s why we think he’s lying. Because him insisting that he both received “no motion” AND a roleblock, means he is probably lying about being an MD.

The same is true for Wisdom. Him saying that that he got identical “no motion” results on both of us and being roleblocked in either case, isn’t possible.. If he had been roleblocked, he would have gotten a “no results”, not a “no motion”.

[Wisdom]

i want to shout things at this wrong way of thinking but Thor is still scum so I'll swallow them

[Celestial Coordinates]

@Nancy - I said YOU guys could have been roleblocked. Not him.

You guys need to claim..

No, we couldn’t have been, that’s how we know he’s lying.

We commuted N1.

That’s how we know.

[Wisdom]

ok
thor probably got no result and thought he got no motion

[Creature]

Yeh gonna be hard if I can't tell what's going on

[Creature]

ok
thor probably got no result and thought he got no motion

I got a scum result on you and thought I got a town result

[Wisdom]

all you need to know is thor is scum