A couple points I wanted to hit quick, and I'll get to this (and the rest of the game) more in depth later. (I know that's a lot of promises, I apologize)
Of those, I feel the most strongly that Trekkie99 is town, especially because he feels different than in Newbie 1901, which is the last game I played, where he replaced into a scum slot.
Keep in mind, as far as my experiences have gone, replacing into a game and starting a game result in very different styles of play, and a one game sample is not very large at all, especially since people often intentionally play different from game to game sometimes (I do.)
Maybe not huge walls or more than four or five posts in a row (looking at you, Enter), but if everyone could at least have reads lists that they update as they change (even if your list still has nulls or you're not very certain), that would be nice.
I tried to avoid this, and people (Taly) yelled at me. :/ Don't read them if you don't want. I've only posted them this game because I'm certain that I will
Trekkie is being cased as mafia but I’m not seeing it. The big points against him are that his reads are shallow (sure) and that he’s asking useless questions. This isn’t terrible, but it isn’t compelling to me. I thought some of Trekkie’s early posts were pretty bold for a player who’s never been town outside of a three player meme game. 53 was a pretty bold response. 74 and 76 looked pretty town as well to me. nsg’s post about trekkie’s fearlessness in the face of the jury being fake felt shaky. That seems more like a personality thing than a mafia/town thing.
I’m not completely closed off to lynching Trekkie, but the current arguments aren’t doing it for me, sorry.
The big points against him are that his reads are shallow (sure) and that he’s asking useless questions.
As per the Trekkie confusion, something people don't seem to understand (or maybe I'm failing to understand people's responses), is that I don't think of Trekkie as scum for being shallow and useless. I think he's scum because he's lacking in motivation. His failure to adequately perform in joke games is a failure on the theory side of mafia, but motivation is relatively universal (as far as I'm aware.)
When I quoted Trekkie's posts (I quoted all so you could see what I was talking about), I was showing that he fails to care about basic and important things. He fails to answer prompts given to him that further the game thread and asks questions about unimportant details. Even after being prompted a second time, his vote is still on Clemency, which is a DEAD character who wasn't even listed in his scum pool when he put it down (and he confirmed his vote was still there). He complained for two pages about not answering "questions" and when he finally did quote the singular question that I had been asked, it was one that I had already answered (and one that he could have answered himself, nonetheless).
When I play mafia and I find that I am scum, I often find myself lacking motivation to look for indications of what each player is (particularly because I don't have any reason to, I already know) and thus I find myself posting about theory and lurking (like NSG) or finding weird questions and doing my best to present activity with the least effort possible.
SO answer this: Does Trekkie's posts mimic a lack of effort to you?
The answer to that question, for me, is a hard YES. There is no way around this. Complaining about answering questions instead of asking them again if they're so important, making lists of reads that consist of names w/o reasons, making pages and pages of random comments (he talked twice to / about bambi jay, a player that didn't even post in the game), and leaving his vote on a dead player after being prompted to move it are just the few reasons that immediately come to my mind as indicating a strong lack of effort. This is why I read Trekkie as scum. Not because his posts ping my scumdar or anything he's doing is particularly scummy, it's because of what he ISN'T doing and because of the lack of motivation that seems to come from him.
You mentioned earlier that you played with trekkie in the 3p meme lylo game and you clearly don’t have a high opinion of his play. In light of that, it feels like your confidence is forced.
That was a post about his failure to adequately apply mafia theory to mafia and a spur of the moment attempt to reconcile Taly's apparent surprise at my read/post on Trekkie and my current thoughts on Trekkie. My read on Trekkie is based on a lack of motivation, not his ability.
We’re not going to bind ourselves exactly to who town wants to lynch but it factors heavily in our considerations, for what it’s worth.
I understand and agree, which is why I made the posts I did.
One thing I would really like you to understand, if you can, is that this is the hardest town game I have ever played. Not being able to have any control over the lynch whatsoever and having no in-game indication of where people stand as far as how close they are to a lynch and the like makes this game excruciatingly difficult. This is one reason I asked Trekkie to place is vote. This is also a tertiary reason why I don't like Trekkie's posting -- he complained about the lynch yesterday and then started implying people were dumb for complaining about the lynch yesterday. In addition, he was complaining about people talking to the Jury and feeling weak and powerless -- I cannot relate or imagine relating to either of these sentiments as town in shape or form. Talking to the Jury is just about the only power I feel I have, and I feel legitimately weak. Not being able to apply pressure by making someone think they're about to get lynched? That's a nightmare. Not being able to know who might be lynched? That's a nightmare. I feel like scum have no reason to recognize when they're out of line. I'm really having a hard time describing the overwhelming feeling of atrophy this game gives me as a player, so I promise if I find better words I will use them.
But Trekkie doesn't make posts that are consistent or relatable as a member of the town, and he doesn't reflect the senses I feel as far as frustration and the like due to not knowing who might be lynched/having power over the lynch, -- because it legitimately doesn't matter to him as scum.
No I'm not worried about the jury potentially scumreading me. Why should I? And yes votes do matter because they help the jury come to their conclusions.