mini 2051: tree's dump blitz - game over !!!

[xyzzy]

Taly it seems like your entire scumread of me is based on the fact that northsidegal had a stated weak townread on me and she never really fully elaborated on that read. idk about you but in most games I play I generally have a couple folks for whom I have no strong opinions at all regardless of alignment.

you also completely ignore my reads on nsg. that would be some pretty aggressive bussing from me as scum. bussing is pretty dangerous in this setup, and I'm not exactly the most eager to bus in general.

[apthet]

Alright, seeing as I (and others) are asking a lot from me, I'll just go ahead and officially say I won't be that active until about Tuesday or Wednesday, when my whole traveling deal is over. I think it's better that way, as opposed to me continually not meeting promises to post.

[Trekkie99]

@xyzzy

The suspicion is that NSG was distancing herself from you.

Big

scum tell IMO.

[Taly]

i just want

xyzzy

and

apthet

to do something other than prodge

i mean, yeah, ive done better scum-cases before but im at least very confident in this townbloc:

Tony
Trekkie
Taly
Enter

[Trekkie99]

@Taly

Who would be your next scum read be if xyzzy flipped town and why?

[Taly]

apthet

because i think some points on

xyzzy

can be applied to her,

north

had pretty ineffective interactions with her, but it never became a 1v1 like with

Tony

, plus

north

practically ignored

apthet

readwise herself

plus i see

enter/tony's

POV with their recent posts on her

and i did not like the

xyzzy/Enter

"as long as they're lynched i can follow"

post last page... town does not post these things unless they're actively going against their wincon.

we only have 1 scum left and she's putting up multiple options while completely bargaining herself to the jury later

- Shows that she's not confident in either option as scum, likely because she knows they're town at this point.
- Town should never want to be lynched, especially while putting up multiple lynch options, this is a scum-motivated WIFOM tactic
- Also her reads cannot be correct at all... there's one scum left, and she's expressing a

xyzzy/Enter

lynch order ((which is actually similar to my reads on my FIRST few posts after the

north

flip))

i mean, tbh 243 alone makes me want to see

apthet

lynched.

[Trekkie99]

Oof. Got quiet around here.

I can see Taly's read has some holes in it, but I like it a lot so I'm all for a xyzzy lynch.

Just going to VOTE: xyzzy so the jury can see.

[Taly]

I really don't know want to be "either x or y" but I can't see both

apthet/xyzzy

as town. :/

[Enter]

Oof. Got quiet around here.

I can see Taly's read has some holes in it, but I like it a lot so I'm all for a xyzzy lynch.

Just going to VOTE: xyzzy so the jury can see.

What do you like about it and why do you not think apthet is scum?

[schadd_]

apthet has been lynched ! she was

town

[xyzzy]

apthet was a bad lynch (she wasn't like........ conf town but she was also not obvious scum) but honestly I don't know what the jury are even doing this game

my #1 scum read is still trekkie but pretty much since the end of day 2 message I've been acting under the assumption that that'll never happen. taly's sudden laser-focused tunnel on me feels like it could be scum realizing that he suddenly has to win this whole game alone and trying to find an easy target?

I don't know what to make of enter at all at this point tbh

[Enter]

apthet was a bad lynch (she wasn't like........ conf town but she was also not obvious scum) but honestly I don't know what the jury are even doing this game

my #1 scum read is still trekkie but pretty much since the end of day 2 message I've been acting under the assumption that that'll never happen. taly's sudden laser-focused tunnel on me feels like it could be scum realizing that he suddenly has to win this whole game alone and trying to find an easy target?

I don't know what to make of enter at all at this point tbh

you talked an awful lot about how bad this lynch was over the days of silence we had.

[Enter]

Xyzzy please post reads. It doesn't have to be long, but when you post, please share reasons for your three strongest reads. Also, if your three strongest reads agree with people who have recently posted/made a case about that person, please share any differences and similarities in your opinion and WHY.

Thank you.

[Trekkie99]

What do you like about it

It makes sense for all the reasons Taly has stated.

and why do you not think apthet is scum?

I said I thought she was mixed. And she was still mixed due to her hopping around on her read on you.

Also, I'd like you to clarify your answer to this question.

Xyzzy is in my town reads because I like what Xyzzy has done this game when xyzzy has been a part of this game.

Erm...

I want to know why your town reading him. is there a reason he's not at least in your mixed reads?

[Trekkie99]

my #1 scum read is still trekkie

I don't know what to make of enter at all at this point tbh

I would assume Enter still thinks I'm scum. Surely you must have some read on him?

[Trekkie99]

I'm confused. Everyone still here had NSG to whatever extent in their scum reads. My best guess is at some point NSG's scum mate realized that NSG's lynch was inevitable and they jumped on the wagon. So the question is who was late to the party?

[Enter]

What do you like about it

It makes sense for all the reasons Taly has stated.

and why do you not think apthet is scum?

I said I thought she was mixed. And she was still mixed due to her hopping around on her read on you.

Also, I'd like you to clarify your answer to this question.

Xyzzy is in my town reads because I like what Xyzzy has done this game when xyzzy has been a part of this game.

Erm...

I want to know why your town reading him. is there a reason he's not at least in your mixed reads?

He certainly looks a lot more scummy now.

I'm confused. Everyone still here had NSG to whatever extent in their scum reads. My best guess is at some point NSG's scum mate realized that NSG's lynch was inevitable and they jumped on the wagon. So the question is

who was late

to the party?

That's probably the best question to ask right now, TBH.

I honestly don't know how to answer it. You were slow to mention NSG scum read... but your response seemed genuine, as did xyzzy's. I still like Tony for Town. Taly is ... town for now because he directed a lot of attention towards NSG - even if you bus as scum, it's a pretty hard bus if you're trying to get other people to jump on that train. (which he wasn't, but directing attention towards someone is a good way to get them lynched a lot of the time.)

[Trekkie99]

Unless he had some crazy plan, I would think Tony is confirmed town since he focused heavily on NSD, and early on at that.

[Taly]

apthet was a bad lynch (she wasn't like........ conf town but she was also not obvious scum) but honestly I don't know what the jury are even doing this game

my #1 scum read is still trekkie but pretty much since the end of day 2 message I've been acting under the assumption that that'll never happen. taly's sudden laser-focused tunnel on me feels like it could be scum realizing that he suddenly has to win this whole game alone and trying to find an easy target?

I don't know what to make of enter at all at this point tbh

Yeah... I'm confident you're scum here. If this is your townplay then it seriously sucks.

-

You literally stated NOTHING about the

apthet

lynch until after-the-fact, so you can say it's "bad" and look perceptive.
_- You've done nothing to push, entertain, or change your perspective on

Trekkie

, you just baselessly continued your thought there despite multiple pages of discussion on differing opinions around

Trekkie's

alignment.

-

Nothing in your posts direct to any specific point I made on you being scum, you didn't even mention an

NSG

-associative-based read on either myself or

Trekkie

- your supposed scumreads.

-

Your scumread on me is because of a "laser-tunnel" ??? Tunneling isn't NAI and the more you post the more valid I feel about my read. You didn't even give a concrete read on me either... Which reads as a fencesitting response that you can withhold in the hypothetical possibility I get lynched and you know I'll flip town.

-

You are by no means

"an easy target"

xyzzy

, I'm the only person that's actually PUSHED a scumread on you - after actually looking into your interactions and play - so I can fill in the holes within this game. The labels you place on my opinions here is only geared to minimize any suspicion placed on you.

If my scumread on you is completely irrational off the basis you deemed, then answer this:

- Why am I not scumreading

Trekkie

? He's been the easiest-pushed lynch this entire game, your argument of being scum by trying to "just lynch" people is wrong.
- Why am I townreading

Enter

? I disagree with his assessments but I still see a good wealth of town-motivation within him that's based on my interactions and view of his play.

At most points in this game, you've avoided to actually discuss it, and your response right here shows how much more invested you are in dividing the playerlist rather than gamesolving.

[xyzzy]

-

You literally stated NOTHING about the

apthet

lynch until after-the-fact, so you can say it's "bad" and look perceptive.

how am I supposed to comment on something that hasn't happened yet?

_- You've done nothing to push, entertain, or change your perspective on

Trekkie

, you just baselessly continued your thought there despite multiple pages of discussion on differing opinions around

Trekkie's

alignment.

the jury made it absolutely clear that they have zero interest in lynching Trekkie and that they don't really care that much what the rest of us think. focusing on Trekkie isn't a productive use of anyone's limited time.

-

Nothing in your posts direct to any specific point I made on you being scum, you didn't even mention an

NSG

-associative-based read on either myself or

Trekkie

- your supposed scumreads.

I don't tend to focus as hard on associative tells, because I know based on my own play that there's generally not really anything there. you're free to scumread me based on associative tells if you want, but the fact that I'm not doing the same thing isn't indicative of me being scum.

-

Your scumread on me is because of a "laser-tunnel" ??? Tunneling isn't NAI and the more you post the more valid I feel about my read. You didn't even give a concrete read on me either... Which reads as a fencesitting response that you can withhold in the hypothetical possibility I get lynched and you know I'll flip town.

you were high on my town list before the current day; there are a number of explanations for your sudden scumread on me, and one of those possible reasons is that you're scum.

-

You are by no means

"an easy target"

xyzzy

, I'm the only person that's actually PUSHED a scumread on you - after actually looking into your interactions and play - so I can fill in the holes within this game. The labels you place on my opinions here is only geared to minimize any suspicion placed on you.

when I say I'm an easy target, I mean it was trivially easy for you to go into NSG's iso and pull out quotes that made me look like her possible partner.

- Why am I not scumreading

Trekkie

? He's been the easiest-pushed lynch this entire game, your argument of being scum by trying to "just lynch" people is wrong.
- Why am I townreading

Enter

? I disagree with his assessments but I still see a good wealth of town-motivation within him that's based on my interactions and view of his play.

why, exactly, is it incumbent on me to answer for your reads?

[Trekkie99]

the jury made it absolutely clear that they have zero interest in lynching Trekkie and that they don't really care that much what the rest of us think.

Saying the jury has "zero interest in lynching me" is another way to say the jury reads me as town, but in a negative light. And no, the "rest of us" is not those who agree with you in thinking I'm scum.

[Trekkie99]

why, exactly, is it incumbent on me to answer for your reads?

Because as town you should want to prove your innocence, help the jury develop their reads, and avoid a mislynch which would bring us closer to losing.

[Trekkie99]

there are a number of explanations for your sudden scumread on me, and one of those possible reasons is that you're scum.

"You scum read me so that makes you scum."

Spoiler:

[Enter]

xyzzy is picking and choosing what they're replying too and making loads of excuses.

[Trekkie99]

Would really like to hear from

@Tony

.