Mini 2065 - Access Point [Endgame]

[RuiRui]

I think you're more likely town than not and don't think you're a good shot - While if you were scum, you'd be a good shot due to your recent content, I don't think we gain a lot from you dying

You're somebody that I would feel comfortable voting into AP on day 2 at this point, with my sole reservations being: I'm not sure how nicely you play in a final 3 situation with nsg, as in, I think you 2 may be prone to scumread each other incorrectly - Don't misunderstand me, I think you should be access pointed day 2 anyway, I just think we should talk about it first.

I don't think that you and roster are both scum together, I think your respective plays would be weird in this situation, and so I'm not so worried about Roster's alignment, even if he's mafia and saying to put you in - that can be, and probably would be, a distraction

Even if you scumread me now, it won't matter in a final 3 scenario, where I flip town. And from your perspective, you have to consider that if I am mafia, I think we've interacted to the point that other people would be unlikely to see the 2 of us paired together (this is just for your pov). Let me tell you, I actually feel pretty good about NSG being town right now, If me/RC are both town, you won't try to be a hero, will you?

[DrDolittle]

I want to be sent to the AP as well. What do you think about that ruirui

[rosterfoster]

Reminder that Insomnia is town.

[DrDolittle]

your certainty that insomina is town makes me more hesitant that he is in fact town.

where does your reads come from

[rosterfoster]

He’s trying very hard.

Meta refers to ongoing games so I can’t be specific, but this feels to me like town Insomnia/Scum Reading.

[DrDolittle]

how many games have you played with insomnia/scum reading

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: drdo
You know what I want lion to check in.
Before that i'm still the best person to send to AP.

[rosterfoster]

A few. But none finished.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: drdo
You know what I want lion to check in.
Before that i'm still the best person to send to AP.

Is this just a fmpov statement or is there a reason we should consider you the best day 1 option?

[insomnia]

I want to be sent to the AP as well. What do you think about that ruirui

your certainty that insomina is town makes me more hesitant that he is in fact town.

where does your reads come from

If Ruirui town reads me and so does Roster and you town read Rui, does the fact that roster believes I’m town changes my role in your eyes just because he has no explanation to tr me?

[DrDolittle]

@RCE fmpov statement for sure

@Insomia: I mildly town read Rui but would not sent him to AP by far. And it's not that roster has no explanation that gives me hesitation, but rather his certainty when there's not a lot to be certain about.

[insomnia]

I think we agree, don’t send rui in ap like never

[BRVR]

Rui doesn't seem like scum to me. I wouldn't send them to AP today, but I would send them in the future if we had to.
People who I think we can safely send on AP today or tomorrow:
NSG
RC
RCE
I'm not sure about the entire meta gaming thing that's happening about RC. Wouldn't it be in somebody's best interest to act the same way for each and every game no matter what? It just gives you away in games if you are extremely talkative and helpful as mafia, but only have about one post every few days as town. If you keep acting the same way in each and every game you're in people aren't gonna be able to out you as scum or town day one from how active you are. A problem with acting the same way each game is that some people like Rui or Insomnia (Sorry didn't see which and I don't want to go back to read and see who it was.) will doubt what ever you say and won't trust you no matter what you do. What i'm saying is using RC's previous games as scum or town isn't really that good of a plan. I've never meta gamed or payed any attention to it so I dunno. Maybe Meta gaming is the best strategy you can do in this situation? From my experiences though Meta gaming is frowned upon in many games I've played on the forums and online games which is probably why I have this opinion of it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Insomnia is scum by the way.

[RadiantCowbells]

The easiest way to find scum in this setup is to find the person who is shading every slot that's townier than them and that's exactly what insomnia is doing. A more detailed case to follow

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't believe that town insomnia incorrect scumreads literally all of

myself
NSG
Ruirui
DDL

Whereas as scum yeah he needs to get in access point and that means attacking townreads on ruirui and pushing for me to be vigged. The only universal townread that he hasn't discredited in some form over the last two pages is RCEnigma who also happens to be the person who said that they didn't want to be access pointed. I didn't realize this was scum reading, I thought it was just a random newbie.

Also notable that the way they deal with the NSG being access pointed thing is disgusting. I'm being pushed as scum and discredited because I'm agreeing to send the best town player on MS and someone whose scum meta is narrow enough to be unmislynchable over myself. I'm not the only one who can clear NSG on meta in this game.

Town play in this setup is to look for town. Scum play in this setup is to discredit townreads.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I could be wrong on DDL and I'm not 100% on it if NSG isn't

But insomnia isn't town and scum were going to power play at some point

[RadiantCowbells]

"he's trying very hard" is the shittiest reason to townread him in this situation that I have ever heard where if scum doesn't force towntells to get one of their own in access point they just lose.

If you're town you should play better roster

[RadiantCowbells]

Just assume I'm town for a moment

What is scum doing right now if insomnia is town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh yeah and if insomnia knows who I am to the point of making that ridiculous grr never townread RC post than he's done some digging: how does he have zero idea who NSG is in general to imply that she's scum with or without my townread or to imply that I wouldn't access point her today? Despite me calling her locktown and a safer AP repeatedly he boiled my case on her down to hey she's busy so she should get in when that literally only matters in terms of my decision that let her go over me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to also go through that post and pick apart every falsehood but I'm lazy

[RadiantCowbells]

Also his me/nsg conjecture doesn't even make sense

Why would I want to send my scumbuddy to AP over myself

Why would I not want to go to AP because my scumbuddy did

Why do I want to reach F3 and have my flip heavily incriminate my buddy

Scum me just takes access point D1 and wins final 3 and I have more than enough townreads and wim to force it. I don't believe that you believe what you're saying, you're just looking for excuses to not accept RuiRui AP and dayvig me so I can't also compete with you on AP

Did I mention the only universal townread you didn't discredit was the one who said they didn't want to go to AP?

[RadiantCowbells]

Insomnia at no point this game has talked about a single player he would want to go to access point that isn't himself.

[RadiantCowbells]

You guys realize that he's obviously more competent than the level zero RC scum NSG scum reasoning right? He would never have posted that if he would ever have to actually follow that reasoning. He knows that NSG is under he just doesn't want to face off against her in f3

[RadiantCowbells]

How's that for pushing my win condition ?

Pretty good right?