Mini 2065 - Access Point [Endgame]

[FakeGod]

Access Point

Your team has been infiltrated.

Alive

1. Trekkie99
   DoubtingThomas
   , who was an
   Traitor Agent
   , was
   endgamed
   .
   
2. DrDolittle, who was an
   Agent
   , was killed on
   Night 1
   , and wins in
   endgame
   !
   
3. RuiRui, who was an
   Agent
   , wins in
   endgame
   !
   
4. northsidegal
   Vedith
   has been
   chosen
   on
   Day 1
   , and wins in
   endgame
   !
   
5. GuyInFreezer
   Alisae RadiantCowbells
   , who was an
   Traitor Agent
   , was killed on
   Day 3
   .
   
6. GuiltyLion, who was an
   Agent
   , wins in
   endgame
   !
   
7. Creature
   BRVR
   , who was an
   Traitor Agent
   , was
   endgamed
   .
   
8. momo
   Locke113
   , who was an
   Agent
   , was killed on
   Night 2
   , and wins in
   endgame
   !
   
9. insomnia has been
   chosen
   on
   Day 3
   , and wins in
   endgame
   !
   
10. rosterfoster, who was an
    Agent
    , wins in
    endgame
    !
    
11. RCEnigma, who was an
    Agent
    , wins in
    endgame
    !
    
12. Ankamius
    LabRat01
    has been
    chosen
    on
    Day 2
    , and wins in
    endgame
    !
    
13. Cephrir
    TheGoldenParadox
    , who was an
    Agent
    , was killed on
    Day 3
    , and wins in
    endgame
    !

Vote Counts, and Other Links

1.1 | 1.2 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 1.5 | 1.6
2.0 | 2.1 | 2.2 | 2.3 | 2.4 | 2.5 | 2.6 | 2.7
3.0 | 3.1 | 3.2 | 3.3 | 3.4

Endgame

Spoiler: Setup

Setup

• 10
  Agents
  vs 3
  Traitor Agents
  
  
• Two
  of the town agents are
  Suicidal Day Vigilantes
  , and may take their shot any time during the day.
  
• Every
  Day Phase
  , town must choose one player to send on the mission. The chosen players will be given a separate PT to chat in, but they may no longer talk in the main game thread, and they cannot be killed.
  
• Every
  Night Phase
  , mafia
  kills
  a player.
  
• After 3 players have been chosen to be sent on the mission,
  • If
    all 3 of the chosen players were town
    ,
    town wins
    .
    
  • If
    2 of the chosen players were town
    , then every player who wasn't chosen flips, and
    game enters LyLo with the chosen players
    .
    
  • If
    2 or more of the chosen players were mafia
    , then
    mafia wins
    .
  
  
• If both of the
  Suicidal Day Vigilantes
  hit town,
  mafia immediately wins the game
  .
  
• If a
  Suicidal Day Vigilante
  is chosen to be sent on the mission,
  mafia immediately wins the game
  .

Spoiler: Sample Role PMs

You are an

agent

.

You are a

suicidal vig

.

You are a

traitor agent

.

Spoiler: Ruleset

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• ONE: FUNDAMENTALS
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• TWO: DAY PHASE
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    BOLD
    , or they shall not count.
    
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    bolded
    or they shall not be counted. Abbreviating someone's name is acceptable, so long as I can discern who you were voting for without trouble.
    
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    Vote: No Lynch
    ), then no player shall be lynched and the game shall enter Night Phase. If deadline is reached and no one has received a simple majority of the votes, no one shall be lynched.
    
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[FakeGod]

Day 1

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.0

Not Voting [13]

- DoubtingThomas, DrDolittle, RuiRui, Vedith, RadiantCowbells, GuiltyLion, BRVR, Locke113, insomnia, rosterfoster, RCEnigma, LabRat01, TheGoldenParadox

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-03-26 21:00:00)

[RadiantCowbells]

suicidal vigs claim in their first posts please

VOTE: RC

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: drdo
I dont see why its needed that they claim

[RadiantCowbells]

it is against scum wincondition to use their nightkills on the conftown suicidal day vigs as opposed to cutting down on obvtown players to be access pointed.
there's no reason for the conftown to not claim, if only because 10 players is easier for me to sort than 12.

[RadiantCowbells]

all that town has to do to win this game is find 3 town players out of 10 and we have two additional flips to help us.
this setup is trivially easy if we do not play it poorly.

[DrDolittle]

That's why if suicide vig hides their role, they could potentially get nk and more regular town can be sent to access point

[DrDolittle]

Hmmm I don't know if its trivial just by virtue of the designer

[RadiantCowbells]

1) we're using both dayvigs today

2) what if suicidal dayvig hides their role, gets wagoned, forced to claim and then quickhammered and scum autowin?

[RadiantCowbells]

my plan if i rolled scum was to get a quickhammer onto a suicidal dayvig. i'm sure that the idea has occured to whoever rolled scum. we're not taking that risk.
it's far more beneficial to have two conftown to bounce ideas off of plus the ability to sort at least one and possibly two slots with meaningful associatives with access point candidates via dayvig.

[DrDolittle]

Interesting. Even if the first vig hits town?

[RadiantCowbells]

is there anyone in this setup who feels and can prove over a sizable subset of games that they can soulread someone town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Interesting. Even if the first vig hits town?

if we do this properly we're aiming for town.

[DrDolittle]

Like I don't see the point of using the vig role since scummy players are not making it to access point anyways

[DrDolittle]

If both vig hits town we lose dude

[RadiantCowbells]

the point of the vig role is to confirm that if someone is hard pushing for an individual to reach access point that they're not a scumbuddy.
i'm aware of that?

[DrDolittle]

? so by that logic the person pushing is not necessary scum

[DrDolittle]

And this suicide vig role can only be used once

[RadiantCowbells]

this isn't a scumhunting setup. there's literally no reason to search for scum in this game. what the vig is is an extra flip on someone that we're not intending to access point.

? so by that logic the person pushing is not necessary scum

OK
say NSG is in this game
I am 100% sure that NSG is town.

I say that I am 100% sure that NSG is town and I want her access pointed
we dayvig me, confirm that my read on NSG is coming from town, she gets access pointed

And this suicide vig role can only be used once

this is true
otoh, what good does shooting scummy players (ie the ones more likely to hit scum)

actually

do us in this setup?

[RadiantCowbells]

if we shoot two scum and neither of them were ever being access pointed, how does that change our win condition?

[RadiantCowbells]

to win this game we need to find 3 town on day 1. send 1 town to access point d1, one dies n1, send the other town to access point d2. game over, that's it.

[DrDolittle]

It doesnt. All I'm saying is that we are not using both vig shots today on that reason. In fact i say we use at most 1,and the other one acts as nk bait or IC

[DrDolittle]

Even as Ic it's much stronger when activated. So giving the second vig that power to decide when to out himself is much betbettbetbettebetbettbetbetter for town

[DrDolittle]

Shit sorry crappy phone keyboard