Mini 2079 - Guns & Roses [Game Over]

[Something_Smart]

Reading posts before you replaced in is one thing, but reading posts after you replaced in but before you've had a chance to engage is pretty reasonable.

Hito I second the request to not hammer until Pine's said what he wants to. There are three of us now who've offered to hammer, that shouldn't be a problem.

[hitogoroshi]

@ pine Not much to talk about, lots of non voters slash immobile voters so this is the wagon we could get. Wanted your head but you successfully lurked the entire day and town didn't have the fortitude so grats

@ss it is a little sketchy for me to not vote tho cause deadline will have passed when I land so I gotta trust y'all to finish it, but I am the only 100% townie and the next best 4 are on the wagon already

[Pine]

Pages 1-3

-Blah blah blah mostly a process story, back and forth about setup spec.

Page 4

-A lot of newbie education stuff, little content.

Page 5

-

Post 101

- First interesting post, game effectively starts. Hito comes off as Town, even if he's grasping at straws here.
-Some actually decent gamesolving discussion between Hito and Ali. Both looking Town.
-Pops not looking great here.

Page 6

-I like Cephrir's entrance.

Page 7-8

-Pops continues to rub me the wrong way.
-LLD's posts in here ping me a bit, I'm not sure why. 176 feels especially off.
-Implosion looks okay, but jury's still out.

Page 9-10

-Not a ton stuck out to me here. Pops continues to scum it up.
-The wagon on me ramps up, blah blah blah. S_S's vote not great, Pops' is bad.

Page 11

-Never mind, S_S post 251 is hardcore Town. So are 254 and 256. Conscious self-doubt and analysis.
-Implosion looks good for recognizing the above about S_S and pointing it out.
-This is really the page that confirms Pops!scum. He's going really hard for low-hanging fruit not defending itself, ignoring any other analysis.

Page 12

-Wtf Ali? Pops is making good posts? He's doing literally nothing but taking cheap shots. TR erased. Also I have no idea what e's talking about in 289.
-Haschel coming off strongly Town here. Especially 293.
-Taking this opportunity to ISO xyzzy, and this is an absolutely awful wagon. His posts aren't great, sure, but there's not nearly enough content to make a confident decision on him. With so much ACTUAL content to analyze and other scummy players, I am

very

suspicious of how it is developing.

Page 13

-Literally 3/4 of this page is about mocking me. Fair enough.

Page 14-15

-Ali looking better now. 331-334 is indicative of critical reasoning.

Caught up, will post a summary readslist.

[Pine]

Town (no particular order)

hitogoroshi
Haschel Cedricson
implosion
Something_Smart
Cephrir

Null

xyzzy
Alisae
cyanjet

Scum

Lady Lambdadelta
popsofctown

[hitogoroshi]

Pops I know you are all in on cyan town but if pine flips red I think that's where I look for buddy. You're pines #1 scum read by a mile but he has nothing to say about your cyan-town crusade?

Hammering in like 10

[Something_Smart]

Pine, do you have a lot of experience with pops?

[Pine]

Pine, do you have a lot of experience with pops?

A modest amount.

[Pine]

Pops I know you are all in on cyan town but if pine flips red I think that's where I look for buddy. You're pines #1 scum read by a mile but he has nothing to say about your cyan-town crusade?

Hammering in like 10

Cyan has absolutely no content. I dismissed the Cyan TR as scum faking a read.

[hitogoroshi]

Plane delayed so guess we have a bit more time if someone else wants to leave final thoughts

[Haschel Cedricson]

I'll be home in 10 minutes and want to check Piines de facto entrance.

[hitogoroshi]

Planes boarding so hustle up mister

[hitogoroshi]

And I'm off see y'all on the other side
VOTE: xyzzy

[popsofctown]

Pops I know you are all in on cyan town but if pine flips red I think that's where I look for buddy. You're pines #1 scum read by a mile but he has nothing to say about your cyan-town crusade?

Hammering in like 10

Cyan has absolutely no content. I dismissed the Cyan TR as scum faking a read.

When Cephrir does it it's a towntell though? Or not bad enough to get him out of your townbucket, although it'd comprise like a quarter of what Cephrir has done this game.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Page 5

[...]
-Pops not looking great here.
[...]

Page 7-8

-Pops continues to rub me the wrong way.
[...]

Page 9-10

-Not a ton stuck out to me here. Pops continues to scum it up.
-The wagon on me ramps up, blah blah blah. S_S's vote not great, Pops' is bad.

Page 11

[...]
-This is really the page that confirms Pops!scum. He's going really hard for low-hanging fruit not defending itself, ignoring any other analysis.

Alright, on page 11 you finally give reasons behind your Pops scumread, but before that you have a whole bunch of "Pops is scummy!" without actually saying what is scummy about those posts. So what specifically doesn't look great on Page 5? What rubs you the wrong way about pages 7-8? How does Pops "continue to scum it up"? What is bad about Pops' vote on you?

[Haschel Cedricson]

god damn it hito what the fuck is wrong with you

[Haschel Cedricson]

Pine, answer before the thread gets locked.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.6

xyzzy [6] - Cephrir, implosion, popsofctown, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta, hitogoroshi [LYNCH]
Pine [1] - Something_Smart
Something_Smart [1] - Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting [3]

- cyanjet, Pine, xyzzy

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-06-16 21:00:00)

[FakeGod]

xyzzy, who was

Town

Night 3 Rose

, has

lynched

in

Day 1

.

[FakeGod]

Night 1

[FakeGod]

Alisae, who was

Town

Night 3 Rose

, was

killed

in

Night 1

.

[FakeGod]

Day 2

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.0

Not Voting [9]

- hitogoroshi, popsofctown, implosion, Something_Smart, cyanjet, Pine, Cephrir, Lady Lambdadelta, Haschel Cedricson

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-06-26 21:00:00)

[popsofctown]

No alisae whyyyyy

Would we want a gun to claim if they performed the kill or does it even matter

[FakeGod]

There are 6

Town

Roses

remaining.

[Pine]

Page 5

[...]
-Pops not looking great here.
[...]

Page 7-8

-Pops continues to rub me the wrong way.
[...]

Page 9-10

-Not a ton stuck out to me here. Pops continues to scum it up.
-The wagon on me ramps up, blah blah blah. S_S's vote not great, Pops' is bad.

Page 11

[...]
-This is really the page that confirms Pops!scum. He's going really hard for low-hanging fruit not defending itself, ignoring any other analysis.

Alright, on page 11 you finally give reasons behind your Pops scumread, but before that you have a whole bunch of "Pops is scummy!" without actually saying what is scummy about those posts. So what specifically doesn't look great on Page 5? What rubs you the wrong way about pages 7-8? How does Pops "continue to scum it up"? What is bad about Pops' vote on you?

My reads, especially when catching up, are largely tonal, focusing on things like attitude, demeanor, etc. It's hard to point to specific things in the first 10 pages which informs my read, but I was getting strong impressions that Pops was going for the easy target. They were also completely avoiding commitments on large sections of the playerbase. This is the kind of behavior one uses to give the appearance of busily scumhunting, when in reality you're just piling it all up on a few targets. In ISO, there's absolutely no analysis of Cephrir, no substantive mention of Haschel until a throwaway "I could lynch" in 347, repeated assertions that implosion is scummy but no attempt to pursue or explain why, and practically no mention of LLD except to state an unexplained TR. In fact, the only real effort I can see is against a popular target (S_S) and two absentees (xyzzy and I.)

This is classic scum tactics. Don't rock the boat, go after easy, popular, or undefended targets.

VOTE: Pops