Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:58 pm
also i just realized the timing of ppl jumping on implo (after he obtained a key) is prettyyyy suspect
I might be sellable on a skygazer wagon, but first I want to talk to you about this one, since you don't seem to like it. Why is your town read so strong?In post 1323, Alisae wrote:I don’t want to lynch Implosion. Do you have an alternative I might be interested in?In post 1280, GreyICE wrote:MariaR! Alisae! We're not fucking about with 3rd parties today. It is an absolute, utter waste of time when we know they exist, they claimed of their own volition, and there's no particular reason to think they're antitown (and plenty of reasons to think they're not, as an 8v5 is just nonsensical and not mafia). Lets do something real today. We can send the third parties to the games or whatever and lynch them if they have keys on them. It's way better.
In post 1276, hebichan wrote:1-shot neighborizerthat can steal a key from the person in the neighborhood, used on plum.
He's worked REAL hard to make sure he has access to a key come "Well of Fears", hasn't he? He's cared about two things - knowing if keys are real, and making sure he has access to a key. He hasn't cared about lynches, he hasn't cared about who is town or scum, he hasn't cared enough to make a reads list, he hasn't cared enough to work with his town reads, he is demotivated and doesn't seem to give a fuck about much of anything. Except making sure he has that real key, right?In post 875, implosion wrote:Given that (1) GI can confirm his ability and (2) i'm sure there are other ways to swap keys around if he doesn't/if he turns out to be scum who knows the yellow key is real/a third party who needs it for something, i'm in principal fine with him taking it conditional on him immediately swapping it to a townread that isn't solely decided by him (i'd be fine w/ plum if not me).
In post 1202, implosion wrote:unless scum have the ability to like, steal the real key from someone at the last second... which i doubt.
He's a REAL cheeky scumfuck, ain't he? So why wouldn't I lynch him, exactly?In post 1276, hebichan wrote:1-shot neighborizerthat can steal a key from the person in the neighborhood, used on plum.
Generic you've been invited to a neighbourhood messageIn post 1352, Plum wrote:Alisae, when you got a Neighborhood with NK15, what was the notification like? Promise this is potentially relevant.
I think before the mini game, I looked at this (and his other more wally posts) and thought "wow, it seems like implosion is really trying and giving his all" and thats what I was going into his ISO thinking "Where can I find Implosion giving his all and trying" and this is the only thing I could come up with that doesn't seem faked? Like, as scum he defends TL because why? And this post kinda summarizes how I felt about TL, he wasn't really playing that well and in fact was bad and was making really questionable posts, but I didn't think they were scummy persay, just, really bad at mafia.In post 707, implosion wrote:I guess I see the point that TL hasn't taken risky stances much but I think that's not surprising from town in this game. It took me a while to form like any material opinions in this game. I like 150, particularly calling one of Pine's posts a possible townslip; not a likely scum->scum interaction, and not something that i think scum points out if they see town do it (even if the townslip itself is bunk). 235 isn't a bad post either imo. 281 feels like a genuine thought that scum wouldn't think as much about, and I don't really buy that he's scum avoiding giving reads since he has now given a full reads list, justified them, and given decent answers to questions about why he has those reads. I think the way he's been scumreading katsuki is reasonable, and that katsuki is a really easy person to scumread in general if you aren't familiar with him.
Again, it's not a strong read. There are things that give me pause. 281 could potentially be scum who are more aware of the fact that scum only need one key to win because they're thinking about their own win condition, and his tone feels kinda bad in a lot of places. It's not a read I'm wed to.
My impression is that people are annoyed of what NK69 is saying and think he could be scum and want to kill him. Thats certainly my take on it. So why bother defending that if Implosion was scum, wynaut just let town continue to shoot themselves in the foot and help kill him.In post 1202, implosion wrote:Plum, why did you quote post 1187? Do you agree with it? What more do you want me to do to sort maria, other than literally just voting for her (which I don't think is even meaningful)? And do you actually think katsuki is town beyond agreeing with townreads? Because it's not like kats has thrown out a bunch of reads that go against the grain, as far as i can tell.
Like I've said several times, I barely even feel motivated to vote anyone at all right now. Like I don't see why the town win condition even cares if the game goes to deadline (or, to time unit 36) without a hammer vote. I'm vaguely guessing the game was designed around it but that's all blank speculation, unless scum have the ability to like, steal the real key from someone at the last second... which i doubt.
NK is awkward because I actually don't agree with like a single thing he's said in the last ten pages but i'm still sure enough he's town. Hebi is still town, Plum is still town, alisae is still town, greyice is still probably town (or at least, enough people that i trust trust him). So in principal i'm fine banishing anyone that isn't one of those six. Sure, scum are going to banish one of them probably, but -shrug-. I'm fine banishing kuribo or sky if people want to get rid of the known not-towns. I'm fine banishing maria or katsuki. I just don't really care about banishment that much.
Like I dislike this more then I like it. This feels like a push thats coming from scum with the "you aren't trying to build a coalition"In post 1132, implosion wrote:Because I'm frustrated with your play.Maria wrote:Why are you trying to state exaggerations for no reason?
I've given a couple of salient points, namely your activity pattern feeling identical to mlp (weak, yes, but there) and 521. To add to them: it feels like you've made zero effort to further the town win condition, which is to build a coalition. You say you've adopted this new style, but it doesn't seem like a style especially well suited to this game, and playing the game of "I know I'm not going to get a key but I can bring scum reads down with me" doesn't seem like a way town *ought* to approach this setup, given we need six of us. Banishing scum reads doesn't even necessarily help us at all if those players weren't going to get keys in the first place. Like,Maria wrote:No one has stated reasoning why I’m scum.
This is bunk. You can try to publicly sort people. You can make an effort to have dialogue with your town reads. You can say who you want your coalition to be, and argue for those other people being in it, particularly people that you're town reading that others are scum reading (like presumably sky gazer before she claimed 3p).What am I suppose to be engaging with exactly? No one has stated reasoning why I’m scum.
the bolded is not something I know and I'm not sure why you think I do? Was it a statement in mlp?Maria wrote:You do know I made this exact statement in how I hate scum 2 games ago correct?Do you think I would pick scum for an easy win yet hate playing the game? Is that what you think I’d do? That’s a question by the way I’m really curious.
I don't think you would pick it for an easy win, I think you either went third party > scum > town because you wanted third party but didn't feel like playing town in the game, or you felt more like playing scum than town, etc. If you have talked publicly and recently about finding scum not fun then that'd be useful information. Or maybe you were given third party and got one that's motivated to claim town instead of outing itself as kuribo and sky have. Maybe you specifically wanted to be scum in this player list because you thought it would be a more interesting challenge. Maybe you have other reasons for picking scum that I don't have the requisite knowledge to figure out. Or maybe even everyone put town above scum and you drew the short straw! I don't know. But it does not suffice on its own as an argument for you being town, even if it is evidence.
Great. I'll be waiting for more of them than just a kuribo vote.I’ll let my actions speak for me
and here with this tone, I kind of think its faked. I hate this repitition of "Maria isn't trying to build a coalition" because I feel like thats all this push is.In post 1175, implosion wrote:????
I've been trying to find the right coalition, that's why I'm trying to make Maria sortable, and why I've been open with my reads (though I guess I haven't given a full list in a week or w/e) but ????
The game's been fucking slow. Sue me for not being mega-ultra-hyper engaged. And I don't know why you're so excited to harp on me for going v/la... I'm still more active than half the player list. The people who need to townread me mostly already do (and i already have a key!) so I don't really care that much about actively making myself more sortable. If you wanna hold onto this germ of looking for reasons to scumread me then you do you.
"I get a bunch of setup spec and nothing i could use to actually sort the game" is fucking ridiculous. I've given setup spec here and there but i've been open about my reads. Half the time it's just boring to do anything and the thread is dominated by the likes of katsuki spouting random bullshit, kuribo doing nothing interesting, or discussion about which people we should send to a game we know nothing about.
Right now my strong town list is hebi, nk, plum. I want the four of us to get keys, with my next preferences probably being alisae and you (or gamma if he can be rezzed, of course). But scum get a banish after we do so most likely someone from that list will bite a bullet, and... idk dude, it's hard to predict what's going to happen this game with the obvious issue of "there's a fuckton of events that are going to fuck with shit in unpredictable ways".
I think I've been clear on why nk was town, and then nothing changed about those reasons and suddenly you're gung-ho about banishing him. He's been spouting random shit all game, it's just not scummy.
there's also thisIn post 1160, implosion wrote:I don't want to join the nk wagon bc I've been pretty explicit about having no desire to banish him?
Like I don't think I've been unclear about that at any point.
I don't really have any motivation to use my vote tbh for the same reason hebichan said, banishment isn't clearly part of how we win.
it not being compatable could also be by intention of the mod to make one of the roles look bad, either me or skygazer.In post 1308, GreyICE wrote:Like... you do realize your role claim isn’t even compatible with Alisae’s wording of her miller, right? You find out pick order, apparently, but she appears as scum to all investigations. So what, you’d get back “scum” instead of an actual order? And what’s the rolecop? Also “scum”?
I've played more games with Katsuki than with anyone else except maybe DGB.In post 1359, Alisae wrote:Do you have a take on Katsuki?
I have no idea what to do with that slot
I have no idea how to read him
And I would like someone who maybe has an idea of how to read him to tell me how I should play around him because I don't think he's doing anything since we lynched pine and I think he definitely takes scum and I feel like it would be better to lynch him because I have no idea how to play around it
ok ty for ur wise words i will trust uIn post 1362, kuribo wrote:I've played more games with Katsuki than with anyone else except maybe DGB.In post 1359, Alisae wrote:Do you have a take on Katsuki?
I have no idea what to do with that slot
I have no idea how to read him
And I would like someone who maybe has an idea of how to read him to tell me how I should play around him because I don't think he's doing anything since we lynched pine and I think he definitely takes scum and I feel like it would be better to lynch him because I have no idea how to play around it
We've been against each other, and with each other, as every possible combination of alignment.
We've stood beside one another, in the years before MafiaScum, and battled common enemies in faraway galaxies.
I know Katsuki's game like the back of my hand, and since I'm third party, you can believe me when I say this because I don't need to mislynch him:
This is by faaaaaaaaaaaar Katsuki's town game.
that's a hell of an assumption to makeIn post 1369, Skygazer wrote:working under the assumptions that maria and implo are both town
Would you believe that your claim of being a Miller before more than two other people posted looks better than the claimed third party/town bulletproof cop/pick order cop/rolecop/JOAT claim?In post 1361, Alisae wrote:I think judging by my own role tho, I think the person who is meant to look bad is 100% me
Wait. Be very extremely specific. What do you mean "including the name"?In post 1364, Skygazer wrote:okee he true claimed; forgot about his event-avoidance thing and was like !! but it's all thereincluding the name