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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:48 pm

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You know, I think I'll share my thoughts on this whole game by asking a question to you all.

If there were scums this game, would they push to get Drew lynched today, or would they prefer keeping him around?

Regardless I think the most incoherent player in the list is VOTE: Vorkuta, and I recognize some scum behavior of his this game.
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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:59 pm

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Depends on the player but, there's no risk for scum if he is or isn't lynched. Worst case for scum is he isn't lynched and they have to spend a kill there to keep teams even. Even then they get to genuinely "scumhunt" considering it's multiball. So a recruit hurts town but not scum necessarily and could be getting rid of a tpr. The likelihood of a recruit hitting town is way higher than it hitting scum.
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:04 pm

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But according to Drew some people cannot be converted. I'm going to go ahead and guess one of the following scenarios:

1. None of us can be converted but none of us are told that, making Drew a fake role.
2. Each team this game has members that cannot be converted.

So by this logic I'm gonna guess if scums are in this game, they must have at the very least someone that can't be converted.

Besides my question is more on the logic "would scums just push a Drew lynch and use that as an excuse for scumhunting or would they do something else". It's a genuine question.
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:05 pm

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Perhaps we should actually force people to claim if they have a "cannot be converted" clause in their role PM? I think this benefits literally everyone in this scenario.
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:07 pm

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In post 398, RCEnigma wrote:Actually I'll level with you, I don't like your pressure on Gameplay lately considering myself and others have expressed the same thoughts regarding drew.

But instead of a blanket statement like "I don't like that people are calling Drew town but still willing to vote him." You singled Gameplay out. That seems agenda driven. Trying to get the wagon away from drew seems agenda driven.

So I'll probably defend pmysterios if need be.
oh boy ok

I'm trying to get the wagon away from drew, that's absolutely true. You know what my agenda is there? I THINK HE'S TOWN AND THEREFORE BAD LYNCH.

My agenda for singling out Gameplay is also quite open: I THINK HE'S SCUM.

Now, are you gonna push me over my read or just continue shading me for 'having an agenda'?
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:11 pm

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i also wanna know what, in your eyes, the difference is between pushing a scumread and 'having an agenda'
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:30 pm

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I'm not shading you, I explicitly said you're my 3rd favorite lynch and second favorite suspect. Why are you whiteknighting drew without engaging with the discussion around him.

Instead of offering a different solution you're just calling a drew Lynch bad on the grounds he might be town. Ok semi fair, but you aren't acknowledging the fact that not lynching drew could very well hurt the town. Something other townies should, in theory, be concerned about.

I already explained why it seems agenda driven. Gameplay isn't the only slot to call Drew town AND express we should Lynch there anyway. You haven't questioned any of those other slots about the thought process there. Are you not concerned those with the same mindset as your scumread could ALSO be scum?
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:38 pm

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In post 402, nomnomnom wrote:But according to Drew some people cannot be converted. I'm going to go ahead and guess one of the following scenarios:

1. None of us can be converted but none of us are told that, making Drew a fake role.
2. Each team this game has members that cannot be converted.

So by this logic I'm gonna guess if scums are in this game, they must have at the very least someone that can't be converted.

Besides my question is more on the logic "would scums just push a Drew lynch and use that as an excuse for scumhunting or would they do something else". It's a genuine question.
I guess what I've been arguing is that even if his role is fake and he can't recruit anyone, we as town can't confirm that. No one that gets converted is going to confirm they've been converted and if no one is converted no one is going to claim they were.

I get you're genuinely asking. Would they? Sure if they wanted to. Could they? Sure, they could also not. Should they? If they want drew dead specifically. If they feel cult will be a problem. Sure.
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:44 pm

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I just think perhaps having people claim if they can be converted or not could be an indicator of Drew's role being true or fake. After all there must be a way that the mod, if Drew's role is true, chooses people that can or cannot be converted, correct? So either some people are outright told that they cannot be converted, or we're unaware of it.

I'd say it's worth a shot though.
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:51 pm

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In post 406, RCEnigma wrote:I'm not shading you, I explicitly said you're my 3rd favorite lynch and second favorite suspect. Why are you whiteknighting drew without engaging with the discussion around him.

Instead of offering a different solution you're just calling a drew Lynch bad on the grounds he might be town. Ok semi fair, but you aren't acknowledging the fact that not lynching drew could very well hurt the town. Something other townies should, in theory, be concerned about.

I already explained why it seems agenda driven. Gameplay isn't the only slot to call Drew town AND express we should Lynch there anyway. You haven't questioned any of those other slots about the thought process there. Are you not concerned those with the same mindset as your scumread could ALSO be scum?
Gameplay is the only IIRC to explicitely call Drew town, and that's what this is about.
How am I not engaging in discussion with Drew? and are explicitely my thoughts on Drew.

How am I not offering a different solution? I'm pushing what I think is scum, and that is my solution lol?

If you want my thoughts on his role, I think he's overreading there. This game is bastard, bastard things are bound to happen. If his role explicitely mentions it'l happen anyway, what benefit do we have in lynching him? Far better to wait 1 day, see what the night brings us and then go from there with actual information.

I'm far more interested in lynching someone who seems a little scared from such a role tbh.
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:04 pm

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my role doesnt say i can or not be turned cult so i don't know. my guse is if yours said you can be your scum.
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:12 pm

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How is massclaiming recruitable/unrecruitable helping town?
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:22 pm

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In post 411, Iconeum wrote:How is massclaiming recruitable/unrecruitable helping town?
Well, Drew established two things with his role:
1. He recruits people
at random
to the cult.
2. Some people cannot be recruited.

By that logic, it means that there is no clear downside to having people claim if they can't be recruited to the cult if the recruiting is random anyway. In fact it would actually help setup spec in the sense that it confirms that the game indeed has cult mechanics. If no one claims they can't be converted, Drew's role having a catch, or being a False role, gets more and more likely.

I think that kind of logic also helps town get a sense of cohesion by working towards a common goal, which is to figure out this game. It makes everyone in this game have to claim unconvertible or not, and doesn't let scums slide with a very easy "let's just lynch drew lol" kind of logic.

There are also several scenarios if people start claiming they can't be converted, which helps narrow down our scumhunting for today and in the future. It's a strict net benefit to town no matter how you look at it.
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:24 pm

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In post 412, nomnomnom wrote:It's a strict net benefit to town no matter how you look at it.
This depends entirely that what Drew said and/or interpreted about random recruiting is accurate.

If his role literally enables a cult recruiter to recruit, it doesn't matter.
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:26 pm

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In post 413, Iconeum wrote:If his role literally enables a cult recruiter to recruit, it doesn't matter.
His role doesn't have an enabler clause to it, so it cannot be that.
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:31 pm

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oh hmm

Town /Unconvertible /Strongwilled /Compulsive /Secretly /Selective /Cultifier

Can we talk this through so I don't have wrong assumptions about the entirety of this… role?

Town/ ok
Unconvertible/ ok
Strongwilled/ no redirection or RB
Compulsive/ has to execute action
Secretly/ ???
Selective/ ???
Cultifier/ ???
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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:35 pm

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Secretly Selective refers to what I said: Either the mod rolls a dice or there is a way that the target is chosen, so figuring out if some people cannot be converted, or the way people are converted, could be a way to solve this game if we don't lynch drew today.

Cultifier is a weird wording though. Wouldn't it be more logical to have it be Cult Recruiter or something? Although I guess the word is 100% meant to say that the person is aligned with the cult, and cultifier could be a wording to say that Drew is town. I don't know.
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:50 pm

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ok so I think I just disagree with lynching Drew. Anti-town role, yes, but lynching it probably won't solve that? And it's like 99% sure he's actually town, so lynching town and not denying the anti-town role is just bad...
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:55 pm

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okay nomnom and icon i went , so its your turn
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:57 pm

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I mean, I'll start and see if that idea picks up.

I don't have an "Unconvertible" clause in my role PM.
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:58 pm

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fine

i have absolutely nothing in my pm that points towards cult or recruiting ability
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:57 pm

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my dose not say any thing about unconvertible or convertible .
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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:09 pm

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my bet is no one knows who or who cant be. maybe only prs cant be.
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:15 pm

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too much speculation, not enough scumhunting

but apparently scumhunting is being labelled as 'having an agenda' this game so whatever
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:58 pm

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There's no fucking way it's that simple- apparently for all we know it could be
In post 287, RCEnigma wrote:only recruit prime numbered roles.
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