Mini Theme 2158: Cards of Destiny Mafia Game Over

[Nancy Drew 39]

vote flavor leaf

Talking too much

I think that Pooky may have been on to something with this.

If FL is trying to dominate the game, high, better than rand chance he’s scum in that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ngl NM's role was actually very straightforward. I wouldn't have had any questions about how the role operated.

Well, please explain it to both me and NM then, because I still don’t get it.

Nm, I probably confused hider with some other role.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maria, please don’t ever deviate so flagrantly from the standard role names + utilities like you did here, it makes things really hard to parse

@Gamma did you vig KD? We still don’t know why he died.

No, I didn’t target KD with any action that night

[Gamma Emerald]

Maria, please don’t ever deviate so flagrantly from the standard role names + utilities like you did here, it makes things really hard to parse

Honestly, the only important thing with roles in theme games is that mods don't rely on the standard role names and explain how all roles work independently. I don't like making assumptions so I knew to ask what a hide action meant in the context of this game, but other people don't do that.

Hider I can forgive, but if you’re using a role explicitly conceptualized in the normal queue I think it would make sense to use the normal function. Like, I still think VMP’s role was a complete tire fire, though I’ll apologize for how heated I got about it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think that Pooky may have been on to something with this.

If FL is trying to dominate the game, high, better than rand chance he’s scum in that.

I felt his Arcana through the interwebz <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria, please don’t ever deviate so flagrantly from the standard role names + utilities like you did here, it makes things really hard to parse

@Gamma did you vig KD? We still don’t know why he died.

They died because they had a Suicide condition in their role.

Kaname Date has died during the night.

Spoiler: “You will come to know that what appears to be a sacrifice will prove instead to be the greatest investment you will ever make.”

Welcome Kaname Date you are

The Hanged Man

You are a Suicidal doctor/conditional cop sided with with the Town

Abilities:

You start the game with a counter of 5 The counter will go down by 1 every night
Every night you may protect a player. If you choose to do the counter will go down by 1
When you die you may pick a player you have previously protected. Their alignment will be revealed to the public.

Flavor Leaf has been revealed as aligned with

the Mafia

Day 4 will end in: (expired on 2020-10-03 04:00:00)

So, did he die because it was N3, he protected the same player twice or a combination there of?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria, please don’t ever deviate so flagrantly from the standard role names + utilities like you did here, it makes things really hard to parse

Honestly, the only important thing with roles in theme games is that mods don't rely on the standard role names and explain how all roles work independently. I don't like making assumptions so I knew to ask what a hide action meant in the context of this game, but other people don't do that.

Hider I can forgive, but if you’re using a role explicitly conceptualized in the normal queue I think it would make sense to use the normal function. Like, I still think VMP’s role was a complete tire fire, though I’ll apologize for how heated I got about it

I think I should have probably TA’d FL again, because a negative after Tris’ death would be a solid guilty. I once had a role that granted solid innos and conditional guilties, so I think this one was better.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think that Pooky may have been on to something with this.

If FL is trying to dominate the game, high, better than rand chance he’s scum in that.

I felt his Arcana through the interwebz <3

Scum!FL tends to talk a lot more than town!FL in general, so you nailed a common FL scumtell. *(in game) spanks Shiro*. <3

[Kaname Date]

Maria, please don’t ever deviate so flagrantly from the standard role names + utilities like you did here, it makes things really hard to parse

@Gamma did you vig KD? We still don’t know why he died.

i died from the "Suicidal" in my role name. it was inevitable.
i could have lived longer if i'd never docced but obviously i was going to use it.

[Kaname Date]

wasn't explicitly stated in my role PM but i figured from context that the counter being referenced would kill me when it reached zero.

[April Ludgate]

kinda sad you killed me I think we had a good soul connection FL

You were just too townie.

[Ampharos]

oh it got unlocked! was gonna be tragic if i didn't get to postgame at all

gg all, thought the scumteam played fairly well even considering the result. FL did a good job in making a terrible deathtunnel look genuine - i think i could have caught him after the tris flip, but given that the tris flip kinda required my death as a prereq...

and yeah, the setup was pretty heavily townsided, but them's the breaks sometimes. still enjoyed the game, ty maria/dunn for hosting

[Ampharos]

i almost had to believe the claim because i figured it would be tested. and i knew after my N3 death Nancy would be looking for FL relaying a specific private conversation between us, so she'd be able to prove i wasn't in a topic with him. though, FL's ability to wiggle out of a bad situation can't be underestimated.

i protected Haya n1 thinking he might be the kill, and FL because i thought he was a likely kill target if town but also didn't trust him at all. between the two it was obvious that FL was the one to flip. i was trying to bait a kill n3.

credit to Fish and Haya for obvtowning so early they stayed entirely out of the PoE. also thanks to Nancy for townclearing me on D&D interactions. my goal this game was to survive long enough to die on my own and flip a scum, which i did do, even if my reads weren't too great.

<3 I had you as townlock for much of the game, now if only someone could tell me how to read FL . . .

biggest things i'd ding him on:

the earlygame, where he expressed a scumread on tris... but then parlayed this into pressure on

me

for not agreeing with it, rather than pursuing the scumread any further

and

the dichotomy he established on d2 with me/kd as the "not towny" players, attempting to influence the venge pool and expand it past N_M, who'd be an easy ML to get later and an inconsequential villager to leave alive otherwise

and

let's not forget that i had the correct read on his initially relatively noncommittal stance towards N_M on d2, before he buckled down for the hard defense

not to take away anything from FL's play! the tunnel was well-executed in that it had me reluctant to scumread him, and i think he certainly makes it deeper in the game if i don't out tris

[Ampharos]

also i want it on record that pregame i thought beeboy was an entirely different mafia player who sometimes goes by hayasaka, and only backtracked on this when he started posting... and then was completely baffled when he claimed to know me anyways lmao

[April Ludgate]

I actually specifically state in the Mafia PT about though being wrong for the wrong reasons, if that makes sense, in regards to NM.

[April Ludgate]

Yeah, I do scummy things in hindsight as scum, but that gives leeway, i do scummy things as town, so if i don’t as scum, it’s super obvious. I’m super consistent a lot of times as scum, so I have to actively make sure i get less consistent.

And chopping at gamestate manipulation is what I abuse a lot of times as scum.

But this game was highly irregular scum game by me. I just did fuck all

[Gamma Emerald]

Chalk up another game where I’m dead right about FL and he tries to deflect btw

[Nancy Drew 39]

i almost had to believe the claim because i figured it would be tested. and i knew after my N3 death Nancy would be looking for FL relaying a specific private conversation between us, so she'd be able to prove i wasn't in a topic with him. though, FL's ability to wiggle out of a bad situation can't be underestimated.

i protected Haya n1 thinking he might be the kill, and FL because i thought he was a likely kill target if town but also didn't trust him at all. between the two it was obvious that FL was the one to flip. i was trying to bait a kill n3.

credit to Fish and Haya for obvtowning so early they stayed entirely out of the PoE. also thanks to Nancy for townclearing me on D&D interactions. my goal this game was to survive long enough to die on my own and flip a scum, which i did do, even if my reads weren't too great.

<3 I had you as townlock for much of the game, now if only someone could tell me how to read FL . . .

biggest things i'd ding him on:

the earlygame, where he expressed a scumread on tris...

but then parlayed this into pressure on

me

for not agreeing with it, rather than pursuing the scumread any further

and

the dichotomy he established on d2 with me/kd as the "not towny" players

, attempting to influence the venge pool and expand it past N_M, who'd be an easy ML to get later and an inconsequential villager to leave alive otherwise

and

let's not forget that i had the correct read on his initially relatively noncommittal stance towards N_M on d2, before he buckled down for the hard defense

not to take away anything from FL's play! the tunnel was well-executed in that it had me reluctant to scumread him, and i think he certainly makes it deeper in the game if i don't out tris

Yeah, it majorly pinged me when he suddenly scumread me for unvoting you and put hard pressure on everyone to lock sr you.

But all of the above basically.

[lilith2013]