MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[Almost50]

I don't know why Korina gave in ad admitted to that being their pick. Maybe they were worried they wouldn't be able to push the Vax is lying idea. Or maybe they were worried someone else (like Mahi) also investigated them.

Korina is covering up for his true target I', almost positive. NO WAY he targeted Vax when he was all about "VAX IS SCUM" from the get go on D1. Like, EVEN if he did manage to recruit Vax; how was he going to explain the 180 flip on the read there?

Is vax Scum? I think he is. Is he aligned with Korina? Nope. Did we eradicate ALL Cult?? Nope. One Cultist is still walking among us here, and they do have an ability (so someone needs to go through the claimed/outed roles and do the math if I'm not here tomorrow).

mahi will win this game for the town one way or another.

Remember when mahi were begging to be the lim on D1?? If they ain't Scum with Vax they are still Scum for wasting our yeet on D1.

I HAVE ANSWERED THEM, THATS THE PROBLEM!

Everything has a reasonable explanation, but some of you seem to love WILD CONSPIRACY THEORYS.

I do0 apologize in advance if you are Town, as I know how frustrating this could be. However, paranoia is an integral part of the game and even more in a GIM UPick where everything is indeed possible and nothing is guaranteed.

IF YOU ARE TOWN, then WELL DONE stopping the Cult spread early (and even if you're not it was still a good move) and your 2nd result should give us more insight, but we will still need to verify your alignment there

Also..

VOTE: End Day

[VFP]

If I could protect you A50, I feel like I would right now even if you didn't want me to!
However, take this as you like but Vax seems genuine. I want to touch base more on this tomorrow.

So town I'll go with before I go into detail tomorrow
A50 most likely town
Guil isn't flipping anything but town
Mahi is most likely town
TL has been a constant town read
KidA is slapping me with the town stick

[mahimahi]

maheehee, mahimahi has done it, gone the mile, here we are now at our prime after hand delivering a well-seasoned feast of an elimination to the people as they asked, and yet they do not savor the time to chew on it during these long, long hours

such rude guests

- mahimahi

[mahimahi]

might mess around and decide to hard defend vaxkiller with my life for their award-winning journalistic work this game, it took a lot of research and interviewing to get the information that they did but i really think they'll win reporter of the year with this one. i'm so proud!

- mahimahi

[Raya36]

If Vax flips Town then VFP is lying (about having tracked Vax to CaptainS) and we would have caught another anti-Town in VFP.

Wouldn't it make more sense to flip VFP. Less risk in losing a town tracker vs losing a town rolecop. Plus there's a good chance VFP is who Korina curled and that's why he defended Korina. I mean, why does a tracker even target Vax who was supposedly getting vigged by Korina. Doesn't make any sense.

[Raya36]

Culted not curled ??

[CaptainS]

If Vax flips Town then VFP is lying (about having tracked Vax to CaptainS) and we would have caught another anti-Town in VFP.

Wouldn't it make more sense to flip VFP. Less risk in losing a town tracker vs losing a town rolecop. Plus there's a good chance VFP is who Korina curled and that's why he defended Korina. I mean, why does a tracker even target Vax who was supposedly getting vigged by Korina. Doesn't make any sense.

One thing I've begin to learn that peoples actions and words rarely make sense.

But also could have done it simply because they didn't believe Korina would target Vax.

[VFP]

At this point I think Raya may have been recruited.
Going by Korina's read yesterday on you.
Just a bus vote gone wrong?

The bigger question is why does ScumVax visit Captain? Doesn't add up unless scum together which I doubt.

[TemporalLich]

I'm not sure how I can rationalize mahi being a guesser besides that mahi gained princeliness through shenanigans

and it wouldn't have been an Effort Saver in that case

pedit: not sure but Raya thinks that you were culted so YMMV

I can't tell either way from the ISO skim

as for the bigger quesation idk, that will be another point in favor of town vax when korina flips magenta

[VFP]

Difference is Raya is out right lying saying I defended Korina.
I never did that, I was going by my result and calling Vax scum.

Raya is playing a narrative to suit, I'm going for whats realistic.

[TemporalLich]

Difference is Raya is out right lying saying I defended Korina.
I never did that, I was going by my result and calling Vax scum.

Raya is playing a narrative to suit, I'm going for whats realistic.

you did have Korina as top read in one of your lead rists in Day 1... however that doesn't make sense if Korina culted you Night 1 and Raya is saying you are still defending Korina

so yeah Raya is scummy and is a good idea for a D3 vote assuming nothing happens in N2 (which likely isn't the case)

[Raya36]

At this point I think Raya may have been recruited.

Spoiler:

[TemporalLich]

afaik couldn't find much Korina/VFP interation Day 2 so Raya is lying

pedit: yeah you're the cultist raya

[Raya36]

To be clear from my point of view I definitely believe Vax's result whether it comes from town or scum Vax. So when someone comes in and says Vax is lying which then invalidates the result on Korina, it really looks to me like that person was culted and is taking a desperate attempt to save their cult leader because they haven't got much to lose

[Korina]

I love how you guys are so adamant that I’m lying about recruiting Vax. I already lost. Why am I lying at this point? I’m only keeping the twilight going on the off-chance Mahi/Vax are different scumteams, so they have more time to plan with their buddies.

[Raya36]

It makes sense to want to give the person you culted a chance

[Korina]

I didn’t cult anyone because Vax is scum

[TemporalLich]

I tried culting Vax. It didn’t work. Nobody claimed to have RB’d me, so he’s groupscum.

forgot about this

raya is still a SR for not sounding right though

[TemporalLich]

VFP feels town on the other hand

[Raya36]

My two possibilities are

1) VFP was culted by Korina. Korina and VFP coordinated claims to make Vax sound bad and give VFP a chance

2) Korina and VFP tell the truth although those actions don't make that much sense to me

Maybe I'm just tunneled on the first one and wrong

[Vaxkiller]

Difference is Raya is out right lying saying I defended Korina.
I never did that, I was going by my result and calling Vax scum.

Raya is playing a narrative to suit, I'm going for whats realistic.

From my point of view, only going from memory, I feel the same way raya does. I'll need to re-read, as I was in the zone most of the day trying to get korina faded.

Also, VFP's posts, after korina admitted everything, have a HUGE tone shift. Like they are way more insightful and introspective and open.

[TemporalLich]

UNVOTE:

Discussion has reignited so I am unvoting.

Not sure who to believe here, I doubt Korina has any incentive to townside when Korina's the only cultist.

There's an unusual tone shift on VFP starting from 1126, skim their ISO for more info but yeah VFP has suddenly started getting into setup spec.

Raya doesn't strike me as town however.

So here are the possibilities:

Korina tried to cult Vax - Not sure why Korina would townside here
Korina culted Raya - more plausible as the shift happened at D2 but kinda LHFy
Korina culted VFP - Still a strange tone shift after Korina revealed that they were a cult leader. Feels like openwolfing if true.

[Guillotina]

Difference is Raya is out right lying saying I defended Korina.
I never did that, I was going by my result and calling Vax scum.

Raya is playing a narrative to suit, I'm going for whats realistic.

From my point of view, only going from memory, I feel the same way raya does. I'll need to re-read, as I was in the zone most of the day trying to get korina faded.

Also, VFP's posts, after korina admitted everything, have a HUGE tone shift. Like they are way more insightful and introspective and open.

Could this come from a townie realizing he misread Korina big time or from a converted player trying to appease us to avoid his elimination next?

[Korina]

UNVOTE:

Discussion has reignited so I am unvoting.

Not sure who to believe here, I doubt Korina has any incentive to townside when Korina's the only cultist.

There's an unusual tone shift on VFP starting from 1126, skim their ISO for more info but yeah VFP has suddenly started getting into setup spec.

Raya doesn't strike me as town however.

So here are the possibilities:

Korina tried to cult Vax - Not sure why Korina would townside here
Korina culted Raya - more plausible as the shift happened at D2 but kinda LHFy
Korina culted VFP - Still a strange tone shift after Korina revealed that they were a cult leader. Feels like openwolfing if true.

I have incentive to both townside and scumside. Townside by getting rid of scum who pushed me, and scumside by not ending day early. Had Vax not pushed me, I wouldn’t have said jackshit and let him be. But because he pushed me, he dies.

[TemporalLich]

Could this come from a townie realizing he misread Korina big time or from a converted player trying to appease us to avoid his elimination next?

Yes