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Post Post #1250  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:02 am

Labyrinth Mafia - Votecount 2.48:

Creature (4): TPFKAP, The Worst, WhemeStar, Nancy Drew 39
randomidget (2): NicoRobin, Shoshin
Shoshin (2): Reality Check, Scioness Sajj
TPFKAP (1): randomidget
NicoRobin (1): ArcAngel9
The Worst (0):
Nancy Drew 39 (0):
Scioness Sajj (0):
Vartsun (0):
Reality Check (0):
Princess of Renais (0):
WhemeStar (0):
ArcAngel9 (0):
Joral (0):

Not voting: Vartsun, Princess of Renais, Creature, Joral

With 14 alive it's 8 to lynch.

The day will end at (expired on 2018-06-25 12:00:00).

Replacing Princess of Renais, Joral, Vartsun and TPFKAP.
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Post Post #1251  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:54 am

GuyInFreezer replaces Princess of Renais!
Taly replaces Vartsun!

Seeking replacement for Joral.
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Post Post #1252  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:56 am

hey guys X_X

Vars hasn't even messaged me in 2+ weeks and this is the time where he said he would be gone for several weeks... and he's never posted in the game thread, and I thought he might've the past few days...

So I'm replacing in as myself, and recovering from the major hit that that had to my motivation in this game o:

I need to do some college work, so if anyone wants to talk to me about the gamestate then I'm free
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Post Post #1253  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:24 am

rn ppls picks for scum are creature, shoshin, tpf, me. aa9 and RC.
thoughts on those slots?
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Post Post #1254  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:25 am

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Post Post #1255  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:26 am

oh shit yeah didnt see that hi gif
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Post Post #1256  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:27 am

sucks that he probably replaced into a scum slot but I'm still glad he's here
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Post Post #1257  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:29 am

ya its kinda weird ppl arent talking about that slot more
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Post Post #1258  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:33 am

In post 1169, NicoRobin wrote:Baby with power commands you to lynch here. Baby with power will inv. anyone who doesn't.


Nah. I think Creature and Angel are w/w. I don’t think random and Angel are w/w.
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Post Post #1259  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:44 am

In post 1253, randomidget wrote:rn ppls picks for scum are creature, shoshin, tpf, me. aa9 and RC.
thoughts on those slots?


I think TPF, Creature and Angel are scum. Possibly Rennais as the fourth? There were some weird interactions between them. Rennais said that “Angel is town like me”, I believe. It will be interesting to see if GIF sheeps them on Nico vote. Rennais also had Creature crossed out on her readslist.
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Post Post #1260  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:44 am

GIF isn't that awful
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Post Post #1261  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:51 am

In post 1256, Reality Check wrote:sucks that he probably replaced into a scum slot but I'm still glad he's here


Hopefully he will be much easier to read.
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Post Post #1262  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:07 am

In post 1259, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1253, randomidget wrote:rn ppls picks for scum are creature, shoshin, tpf, me. aa9 and RC.
thoughts on those slots?


I think TPF, Creature and Angel are scum. Possibly Rennais as the fourth? There were some weird interactions between them. Rennais said that “Angel is town like me”, I believe. It will be interesting to see if GIF sheeps them on Nico vote. Rennais also had Creature crossed out on her readslist.

agree with this. i would throw shoshin and wheme in the pool as well.
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Post Post #1263  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:22 am

In post 1262, randomidget wrote:
In post 1259, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1253, randomidget wrote:rn ppls picks for scum are creature, shoshin, tpf, me. aa9 and RC.
thoughts on those slots?


I think TPF, Creature and Angel are scum. Possibly Rennais as the fourth? There were some weird interactions between them. Rennais said that “Angel is town like me”, I believe. It will be interesting to see if GIF sheeps them on Nico vote. Rennais also had Creature crossed out on her readslist.

agree with this. i would throw shoshin and wheme in the pool as well.


Why Wheme? - my main issue with him has been his weird pushes on Joral but he voted Creature and I liked his read on Nico. Obviously based on wagonomics, I can’t write him off either. We obviously have to agree to disagree on Shoshin. I don’t see how scum!Shoshin hardtown reads Nico. I can’t see Sho being w/w with Angel, soley based on that.
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Post Post #1264  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:59 am

In post 1244, randomidget wrote:i think the process came after their positions

What makes you think this?

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Post Post #1265  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:59 am

wheme is more poe and a lack or reasons to TR him
townreading nico rly isnt a town indicator, look at how much flak i took for pushing her
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Post Post #1266  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:00 am

In post 1264, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1244, randomidget wrote:i think the process came after their positions

What makes you think this?

firstly, the fact that your initial response to my push on nico was dodgy and you then doubled down on it, secondly as RC said your scumteam doesnt rly make sense.
it looks kinda like you picked scumreads then found ways to justify them rather than the other way round
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Post Post #1267  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:16 am

In post 1265, randomidget wrote:wheme is more poe and a lack or reasons to TR him
townreading nico rly isnt a town indicator, look at how much flak i took for pushing her


It can be because Angel is pushing her, so the connection is likely, both townreading Creature AND scumreading Nico.
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Post Post #1268  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:17 am

In post 1266, randomidget wrote:
In post 1264, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1244, randomidget wrote:i think the process came after their positions

What makes you think this?

firstly, the fact that your initial response to my push on nico was dodgy and you then doubled down on it, secondly as RC said your scumteam doesnt rly make sense.
it looks kinda like you picked scumreads then found ways to justify them rather than the other way round

How was my response "dodgy" (and what do you even mean by "dodgy")?

I explained why a scumteam of you, Creature, and RC makes sense. But even if it didn't, so what? We don't have any flips yet, so why are you expecting perfect consistency? And what's the problem with my analysis? What exactly do you find wrong with my explanation of the various scum motivations and patterns in the interactions between you, Creature, and RC?

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Post Post #1269  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:19 am

Nancy, please talk to me about your TP/letters read as well as your reads on the worst and Reality. It would be really helpful if you can address my analysis and convince me that the worst and Reality are town.

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Post Post #1270  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:14 am

Exhausted my replace list, will send out public replace stuff.
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Post Post #1271  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:47 am

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Post Post #1272  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:48 am

In post 1256, Reality Check wrote:sucks that he probably replaced into a scum slot but I'm still glad he's here

Is green the new scum these days?
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Post Post #1273  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:05 pm

I know some of you are going to want to gloss over this because it's a wall but please don't. I'm going to lay out why Random's scum, and because some of you just aren't seeing it as clearly as myself and Nico, I need to dive into the sequence of Random's posts so that you see the full picture of what's happening.

In his early posts, there's already slight indications of scum motives and knowledge. In , Random townreads TBG - consistent with scum killing TBG because scum tend to kill their townreads on N1 - it's also notable because Random uses the kill on TBG to justify townreading Creature (saying that Creature's read on TBG was a "townslip"). There's hints of knowing too much in these posts re: TBG and Creature. (Also, as an aside, notice in this early post that Random townreads RC, which means it's plausible that Random/RC are scum partners (contrary to what RC and Random keep saying, the connection is plausible).

The scummy stuff really starts when Random begins to softly defend Creature:

In post 677, randomidget wrote:aight yo wassup g's im here now talk to me
creature could be scum but seems kinda lynchabity nowatimsayin

If Creature is scum, this is precisely how a scum partner would behave on D1, testing out the possibility of saving Creature by throwing out a "lynchbait" concern without blatantly defending him as town. It's likely that Creature is scum, but even if Creature's town, Random's behavior is scummy: Random allows the lynch to happen by saying he "could be scum" without actually pushing it, precisely the type of move that scum often make in these situations. It's the sort of hedge that allows Random to eventually adapt to the situation based on the direction of the game and his ultimate motives re: Creature (i.e. whether Creature is town or scum).

Then Random votes PR as suspicon starts building on her:

In post 699, randomidget wrote:sounds gucci to me
VOTE: princess of renais

He called PR town earlier in the game but now he votes her while softly defending Creature a few posts earlier. Why'd he townread PR earlier, and why'd he change his mind at this point in the game when suspicion is building on both PR and Creature?

Random continues to indirectly defend Creature throughout the rest of D1:

In post 744, randomidget wrote:
In post 741, Shoshin wrote:
In post 734, randomidget wrote:
In post 700, joral wrote:Acutally, agreed. I have doubts on creature, but they can be solved later on.

VOTE: renais

In post 710, WhemeStar wrote:VOTE: Creature

one of these two votes is probably scum depending on the renais flip imo.

Can you explain?

Creature is either town or scum. If scum, scum will try to dtart a counterwagon onto renais. If he is town and renais is scum, then scum will try to push the creature wagon through before they have to defend renais

Random speculates about associations based on Creature's flip and PR's flip, which is another behavioral pattern that scum tend to fall into on D1 - as the lynch approaches on someone whose alignment they know, scum tend to speculate about what potential flips mean for other players in the game so as to contrive a course for their reads on D2 and potentially set up chain lynches. Scum tend to think in terms of these associations before flips more than town because scum already know who the town/scum are and so they're always in a position to see potential associations even before we have any flips. In Random's case, it's especially scummy because he's not only looking at one player's associations but he's setting up a false dichotomy between Creature/PR (why can't they both be scum?) and then looking at associations on that basis.

Again, the dichotomy between Creature/PR makes it clear that Random doesn't want a lynch on Creature but also doesn't want to actually call Creature town (either because he wants to defend his partner or he wants to let a mislynch happen) so instead he's talking about Creature at a second layer of analysis (i.e. talking about who Creature's partners are and who PR's partners are). Regardless of Creature's flip, this is scummy.

Then, in and , Random suggests policy lynching TP/letters and Nico - which is another easy way for scum to avoid having to contrive reads or attempts to scumhunt as they instead focus on behaviors that have nothing to do with alignment - plus Random continues pushing for an alternative lynch to Creature.

Random's final posts on D1 further expose Random's desire to prevent (or delay) a lynch on Creature:

In post 762, randomidget wrote:Consolidate your vote

Random urges others to consolidate votes while refusing to do so himself on Creature.

In post 791, randomidget wrote:VOTE: tpfkap
nico, therre is a differnet between not having reads and posting nothing. not even pointless content or shitposting. not even non game relevant stuff. literally null posting. that isnt an acceptable playstyle and you are going to get lynched for it. i tend not to have many reads on day 1. but i still interact with people, ask questions and try to figure out where people are at.

Random looks for another wagon that isn't Creature on TP/letters while also casting shade at Nico. In short, he's looking for any lynch options that aren't Creature without actually having to come out and say that's what he's doing. And D1 ends in a no lynch.

D2 starts terribly for Random. In , when the worst questions Random's behavior re: Creature, Random gives just about the most bullshit reason you can come up with to justify not-voting Creature - "he's playing to his scum meta but didn't care so he's town?" - as if somehow playing to your scum meta means you're not scum because if you actually cared about the game you wouldn't play to your scum meta? It's pretty much the biggest piece of bullshit we've seen in this game, and it's suprising that nobody else has picked up on this. And, in the same post, Random votes Nico at a point where it's already pretty clear that Nico's probably town. This is especially scummy in light of Random's last post on D1 - it's like Random looked at his last post on D1, saw that most of his analysis was about Nico, and decided to keep his reads/behaviors consistent despite new information (Nico's D2 behavior) basically clearing Nico as town. It's also especially scummy because Random's vote has nothing to do with Nico's actual alignment, it's only about his play style - there's no attempt by Random to actually scumhunt.

The hostility that follows is entirely unnatural from a townie who reads Nico's posts:

In post 832, randomidget wrote:btw guys anyone who votes me is scum
no evidence for it or anything
they just are

He mocks Nico.

In post 833, randomidget wrote:YoU hAvE bEeN wArNeD

He further mocks Nico.

In post 834, randomidget wrote:also to clarify i have a hard townread on nancy
i just refuse to allow nico to get away with this bullshit

He calls Nico's play "bullshit."

In post 837, randomidget wrote:TIL being a PR in a role madness game lets you not play the game.

More hostility towards Nico.

In post 839, randomidget wrote:why do you even play mafia if you dont want to play mafia
unless its a post restriction or some shit, it still doesnt excuse refusing to post any content.

More hostility towards Nico.

In post 842, randomidget wrote:*refuses to vote in lylo*
*blames other people for not flipping someone*

More hostility towards Nico.

In post 843, randomidget wrote:i dont have a problem with you not having reads. i have a problem with you refusing to post any game related content.

More hostility towards Nico.

I point out that Random's hostility towards Nico feels unnatural and Random immediately calls that a "misrep." Does anyone other than Random think I'm misrepping Random by saying his hostility towards Nico felt unnatural? What's the misrep there? It's like Random didn't think for more than a second about the validity of what I was saying and immediately reacted in a defensive way by calling my analysis a misrep. And then Random doubles down on attacking me:

In post 1088, randomidget wrote:i already explained why ur analysis was bad

Random says he explained why my analysis was bad but actually he hasn't. I can't find any posts where he explains anything of the sort. He just calls it a misrep without actually pointing out any sort of misrep anywhere.

In post 1161, randomidget wrote:As i said, shoshin seems to have chosen random stances rather than having genuine process

And he starts saying my stances are "random" without actually having any reason to believe that. It's basically pure OMGUS. Randomidget doesn't even have a thought process here - he's just blindly calling my stances "random."

In post 1174, randomidget wrote:Shoshin ignored my rebuttals of their points to claim that no rebuttal was given

There were no rebuttals, so what the fuck is Random talking about? He's just trying to cast shade on me for made up reasons.

In post 1266, randomidget wrote:
In post 1264, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1244, randomidget wrote:i think the process came after their positions

What makes you think this?

firstly, the fact that your initial response to my push on nico was dodgy and you then doubled down on it, secondly as RC said your scumteam doesnt rly make sense.
it looks kinda like you picked scumreads then found ways to justify them rather than the other way round

He says my response was "dodgy" but what the fuck am I dodging? I said in no uncertain terms that Random's response was unnatural. What's dodgy about my analysis? Nothing. What's random about it? Nothing. What's scummy about it? Nothing. Random's not thinking about this, he's reacting defensively without any meaningful attempt to sort my alignment.

And finally, consider this:

In post 1154, randomidget wrote:
In post 1147, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 1139, ArcAngel9 wrote:OKAY. LET ME GIVE YOU HEADS UP

READ THE DAY START FLAVOR. THERE IS A HIT ABOUT SOMEONE THERE.

AMD DONT ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.



In post 831, NicoRobin wrote:Anyone who votes me or Nancy is scum. This ain't a bluff. I am a baby with power. You have been warned.


Can we lynch this. It should have happened yesterday.

In post 833, randomidget wrote:YoU hAvE bEeN wArNeD


Another scum!

In post 841, TPFKAP wrote:VOTE: creature

I am okay with lynch too. Creature is most certainly not scum.

In post 1137, NicoRobin wrote:But.....there is only one baby with power. There can't be two or more babies with power......


I am serious. Lets get this.

VOTE: Nicorobin


Hey, how about you and I lynch this? Then I won't inv. you.

Im down. I would say my main pool rn is them, tpf, renais and shoshin

This is an absolutely terrible post - AA9 calls Nico scum and Creature town - and Random agrees with it. Random suspects Nico, defends Creature, and now he suspects me too because... I suspect him?

I don't see how anyone can say that Random's town - there's no hints of towniness anywhere and lots of scummy behaviors. I'm down to lynch Creature today because of his total non-engagement with the game but I strongly, strongly urge a lynch on Random tomorrow, regardless of Creature's flip.

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Post Post #1274  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:20 pm

In post 1219, Shoshin wrote:Nancy, can you talk to me about TP?


Spoiler:
In post 800, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 767, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:[instagram][/instagram]
In post 13, TPFKAP wrote:I wish the goblins would come and take you away right now.


This was a very early post directed to the worst. Coincidence or not?

In post 329, TPFKAP wrote:Just ask anyone from the alisae hydra game FOR EXAMPLE

Fartsoon, we can 1v1, after Sho is deadbecause there is a reason you are CHAINSAW defending. I can READ YOUR VOICE by the way, and the FACT that you are FAKING which head is posting...wow.


Early supper-agressive push on Shosin and irrelevant shade on Vartsun.

It wasn’t solely based on that. Vartsun - one of my top town - also had a case on her.
In post 480, TPFKAP wrote:The problem with whats going on right now is that there is no decent coalition to stand behind these accusations and reads. It's too bad that MOST of you can't see what's going on here.

I'm fine with it though. let it simmer. we'll see.


She never bothers to either elaborate or explain this.

In post 602, TPFKAP wrote:
In post 599, the worst wrote:yeah you're adding nothing but noise to this conversation pls stop with that

it's transparently a shitpost



WOW I haven't been shouted down like this in a while.

VOTE: the worst


Slaps vote on the worst for correctly calling her out for intentionally clogging up and derailing thread.

In post 605, TPFKAP wrote:
In post 16, the worst wrote:u have no POWER OVER ME

In post 18, the worst wrote:
In post 17, TPFKAP wrote:The worst gets it.

I will be there for you

In post 22, the worst wrote:
In post 21, Princess of Renais wrote:bruuuuuuh

im so stoned rn


watch labyrinth
???
profit

your brother is the love of my life btw

In post 29, the worst wrote:Do you do hydra sign offs btw?

In post 31, the worst wrote:thank you <3
nice to play with you again
both of you actually :D

In post 37, the worst wrote:
In post 35, Scioness Sajj wrote:VOTE: the worst
hello? do i know you?

LOL sorry
great to see you too sajj <3

In post 39, the worst wrote:I was laughing at myself, my own stupidity >;

In post 43, the worst wrote:yeah ok the future father of my ducklings has his issues..... >:

In post 50, the worst wrote:VOTE: Joral probs

In post 54, the worst wrote:Who's there

In post 75, the worst wrote:Trusting you to be town here Creature
I need my hydra buddy back :)

In post 81, the worst wrote:this doesn't sound like town creature yet.
ok lemme do some critcialt thniknig!!!

In post 599, the worst wrote:yeah you're adding nothing but noise to this conversation pls stop with that

it's transparently a shitpost


but fine, I think you are town. scum usually don't have the guts to throw their weight around that much.

In post 728, TPFKAP wrote:
In post 7, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: the worst


Highly suspicious shade on the worst - the kind that wolves are wont to do, when a villa gets in their way.

TPFKAP post (sorry for messing up the formatting)
Why did you vote for the worst here?


The only type of player to make this kind of post, is either a completely noob (less than 5 games) or scum. TPFKAP is not a noob and no player who is town, takes an RVS vote - as opposed to an RVS post - seriously.

This post reeks of confirmation bias.

In post 798, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 728, TPFKAP wrote:
In post 7, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: the worst


Why did you vote for the worst here?


What possible town motivation is behind this post?

In post 953, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 279, TPFKAP wrote:
In post 276, Vartsun wrote:Sorry guys :(

Due to recent IRL events, I have been in a shitty, shitty mood for the past 48 hours, and I can't think of mafia right now.

I'm going on a daytrip and I'll post tonight most likely.

I also have no clue where Varsoon is :P... X_X

Through skimming the thread, I'm unimpressed with Creature and Renais; Joral is currently my strongest townread.

Also tgkfap didn't really respond to me, so their readslist better be fucking good.

~ Taly


Step 1: lol.

Step 2: this is varsoon posting and lying about it for some reason.

In post 329, TPFKAP wrote:Just ask anyone from the alisae hydra game FOR EXAMPLE

Fartsoon, we can 1v1, after Sho is deadbecause there is a reason you are CHAINSAW defending. I can READ YOUR VOICE by the way, and the FACT that you are FAKING which head is posting...wow.

In post 480, TPFKAP wrote:The problem with whats going on right now is that there is no decent coalition to stand behind these accusations and reads. It's too bad that MOST of you can't see what's going on here.

I'm fine with it though. let it simmer. we'll see.

In post 594, TPFKAP wrote:
In post 593, TPFKAP wrote:
In post 9, Creature wrote:The Worst Nancy Drew 39 Scioness Sajjs. Vartsun, TehBrawlGuy, Reality Checked Shoshin. NicoRobin Riku, TPFKAP or just Princess of Renais Creature, WhemeStars ArcAngel9's Joral.


What is this? A reads list?



No seriously what the fuck is this?

In post 603, TPFKAP wrote:
In post 601, Reality Check wrote:it's a mid-page 1 post


I'm sorry that you can't find scum there, but I can.

In post 610, TPFKAP wrote:btw my neighborhood is almost silent

In post 728, TPFKAP wrote:
In post 7, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: the worst


Why did you vote for the worst here?

In post 777, TPFKAP wrote:Witch Hunt.


:facepalm:
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