how good is vonflare at laser tag [game over]

[Chara]

Chickadee you have absolutely not idea how hard i'm resisting saying something sarcastic here.
ahaha.

[Chara]

i actually think the chances of hitting scum here are pretty good, at least considering where my own townreads currently are. i should probably make sure all of them are valid at some point, but that won't be tonight.
anyway. i think Cobbler/Invis/elephant are all town and that Chick is more likely town.

[Majiffy]

Chapter 17

⁸ The awful teenagers left to go do something else, and no one was sure where they went. ⁹ The players resolved to decide on a new way to play, because they had paid for unlimited games, ¹⁰ which meant that they could do pretty much anything if it sounded fun. ¹¹

I wonder if the people who run this place know how to artificially level us up,

Chickadee said, ¹² and everyone else pretended to know what that sequence of words meant. ¹³

It looks like they don't know how to do that,

she said after a bit of time had passed.

Does anyone have any specific game types they want to play?

I'm a bit of a stickler Meeseeks, but I knew where they went

They went for pizza

[Majiffy]

She.....she literally DID stop being scum though.....

How can one stop being scum if they were never scum to begin with?

[Majiffy]

I suppose since it's lylo I should actually do something

[Chickadee]

Chapter 17

⁸ The awful teenagers left to go do something else, and no one was sure where they went. ⁹ The players resolved to decide on a new way to play, because they had paid for unlimited games, ¹⁰ which meant that they could do pretty much anything if it sounded fun. ¹¹

I wonder if the people who run this place know how to artificially level us up,

Chickadee said, ¹² and everyone else pretended to know what that sequence of words meant. ¹³

It looks like they don't know how to do that,

she said after a bit of time had passed.

Does anyone have any specific game types they want to play?

I'm a bit of a stickler Meeseeks, but I knew where they went

They went for pizza

I knew where they went too!

[Lavos]

UNVOTE:

[Lavos]

I guess we lynch dunn? and if he is town we can just blame maria

Hmm, while it's tempting, no.

She didn't stop being scum

I explained why yesterday, you guys wagoned someone who was replacing out

I agree the Titus lynch was bad but I don't believe this :/ Why are you not reading the kill flips?

I guess we lynch dunn? and if he is town we can just blame maria

mm yes how simple, how easy

VOTE: Mariar

lol

I'm trying to work out what strategy there has to be here to give town any chance of winning
Like fmpov half of you are scum and are to be ignored
But clearly my reads have been terrible this game

Do we like, elect a town leader? who gets to pick the lynch
Or force two scummy players to cross vote to confirm that at least one of them is scum
or
hmm

Anyone out there a secret mathdino alt?

I'm not a secret Mathdino alt but I think we're going to need all the townies to contribute here to solve it. We need to be much more cautious when lynching than we were before.

i actually think the chances of hitting scum here are pretty good, at least considering where my own townreads currently are. i should probably make sure all of them are valid at some point, but that won't be tonight.
anyway. i think Cobbler/Invis/elephant are all town and that Chick is more likely town.

why is Invis town other than "feels town?" because that's what you told me before and I don't get how anyone but you is going to vote based on that? and I don't understand where your read on Cobbler is from either. or even chickadee; all I see is "I think her posts today was towny." Like I don't get why you're still willing to lynch based on that?

[Lavos]

i mean i get why you believe your reads, sorry if that's like harsh. i just don't get how to solve this or do much at all when people are just saying stuff like that and i can't relate to the feelings at all. like there are 5 scum and this is really hard and i guess i don't know how to do this from here, titus was my major tr by the end of yesterday and we lynched her and i'm not sure if i should stick with my tor/dunn reads or what. there are so many people I don't have major feelings on and there could be so many scum inside that pool.

[Majiffy]

Chapter 17

⁸ The awful teenagers left to go do something else, and no one was sure where they went. ⁹ The players resolved to decide on a new way to play, because they had paid for unlimited games, ¹⁰ which meant that they could do pretty much anything if it sounded fun. ¹¹

I wonder if the people who run this place know how to artificially level us up,

Chickadee said, ¹² and everyone else pretended to know what that sequence of words meant. ¹³

It looks like they don't know how to do that,

she said after a bit of time had passed.

Does anyone have any specific game types they want to play?

I'm a bit of a stickler Meeseeks, but I knew where they went

They went for pizza

I knew where they went too!

Fuckin unreliable narrator up in here

[Lavos]

7 players voting for Titus (Irrelephant11, Chara, Chickadee, Invisibility, Not_Mafia, Alchemist21, Toranaga)

so i'm going to try to start here? I think it's more likely scum latched onto the wagon than originated it, so I don't think Irrelephant is it. I'm unsure how to rule any of the others out right now though.

[Chara]

i mean i get why you believe your reads, sorry if that's like harsh. i just don't get how to solve this or do much at all when people are just saying stuff like that and i can't relate to the feelings at all. like there are 5 scum and this is really hard and i guess i don't know how to do this from here, titus was my major tr by the end of yesterday and we lynched her and i'm not sure if i should stick with my tor/dunn reads or what. there are so many people I don't have major feelings on and there could be so many scum inside that pool.

it's fine, i know what you mean.
i do plan to go back and look at the validity of my reads like i said, i know "gut" isn't a satisfying answer, and it's not gut. i do confess i need to put in more effort than i have been.
i like these two posts for town, though, which does help something.

[Chara]

considering there are still five scum, i think finding someone who is probably scum no matter the team configuration might be one way. unfortunately there isn't a lot of wagon information (unlike perpetual mylo, which had consistent scum flips) so any of that kind of analysis will be less concrete.

[Cobblerfone]

@Chikadee: do you think dunnstral is town?
@Dunnstral: do you think chikadee is town?

[Chara]

Cobbler read: still confident there from Alisae's play, Cobbler hasn't done anything that would make me want to reconsider.

Alisae isn't just the emotional aspect; e can be very emotional as scum, it was the interplay between that and eir actual gamesolving, if e was scum i believe there'd only be one or the other.

Invis read has less going for it considering i don't know if invis is just naturally very chill and that's coming through in his posting. going to iso both regardless.

[Invisibility]

Dunn is scum faking a townslip

[Majiffy]

That's what I was wondering but man it just seems so easy yakno

[Irrelephant11]

8 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Majiffy,

Titus

,

Chickadee

,

Toranaga

,

Irrelephant11

,

PenguinPower,

Invisibility

, Dunnstral)
2 players voting for Chickadee (Cobblerfone, Not_Mafia)
2 players voting for Majiffy (

MariaR, Gamma Emerald

)
1 player voting for Alchemist21 (Lavos)
1 player voting for Cobblerfone (Alchemist21)

1 player not voting (Chara)

--------------------------------

7 players voting for Titus (

Irrelephant11

, Chara,

Chickadee

,

Invisibility

, Not_Mafia, Alchemist21,

Toranaga

)
2 players voting for Not_Mafia (Majiffy, Cobblerfone)
2 players voting for Dunnstral (

MariaR

, Lavos)
1 player voting for Chickadee (

Titus

)
1 player voting for MariaR (Dunnstral)

0 players not voting

-------------------------------

All I got right now. I plan to sample other votecounts and compare them later, so I'll be saving this as a draft too.

For this and other reasons Toranaga and Chickadee are my two biggest scumreads
-toranaga has zero WIM and has basically done nothing other than argue with MariaR and lolvote both mislynch wagons. Also his suggestion this game day to vote dunnstral and "blame mariar" is basically openwolfing
-chickadee has felt scummy all game and has somehow rode out multiple wagons on her without ever getting to L-2

I had felt like invisibility was towny D1 but he's closer to null after voting town "without wanting to" twice
what do you do with nulls in 6v5 lylo...
I could actually see invis being scum with one or more of the people he's been pushing (dunnstral/alchemist) given he's "vocal" about them but never actually makes much of a case for others to follow. Otoh, if he's scum he's probably not the scum we'll be lynching today.
invis/nm/dunnstral don't feel sortable this game day, honestly. Like not that it's 100% impossible to sort any of them ever, I just feel like they're all so hard to read in general and this isn't the gamestate to risk it on one of them.


If I have to have strong townreads (iffy at this point, but necessary), it's probably just chara/cobbler/lavos, with the caveat that there's probably one scum even in there at this point. majiffy might be town like I thought d1. I forget why I lost that read d2

We have ~a week to do re-reading before we need to really consolidate somewhere, so that's how I intend to spend my time

[Irrelephant11]

Yes.

VOTE: Toranaga

UNVOTE:

what was this?

[xyzzy]

votecount 3.02

11 players not voting (Irrelephant11, Chara, Chickadee, Invisibility, Not_Mafia, Alchemist21, Toranaga, Majiffy, Cobblerfone, Dunnstral, Lavos)

with 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-10-31 23:30:00).

mod notes: listen: it is canon that none of us knew where the teens went to. this is #confirmed

[Alchemist21]

8 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Majiffy,

Titus

,

Chickadee

,

Toranaga

,

Irrelephant11

,

PenguinPower,

Invisibility

, Dunnstral)
2 players voting for Chickadee (Cobblerfone, Not_Mafia)
2 players voting for Majiffy (

MariaR, Gamma Emerald

)
1 player voting for Alchemist21 (Lavos)
1 player voting for Cobblerfone (Alchemist21)

1 player not voting (Chara)

--------------------------------

7 players voting for Titus (

Irrelephant11

, Chara,

Chickadee

,

Invisibility

, Not_Mafia, Alchemist21,

Toranaga

)
2 players voting for Not_Mafia (Majiffy, Cobblerfone)
2 players voting for Dunnstral (

MariaR

, Lavos)
1 player voting for Chickadee (

Titus

)
1 player voting for MariaR (Dunnstral)

0 players not voting

-------------------------------

All I got right now. I plan to sample other votecounts and compare them later, so I'll be saving this as a draft too.

For this and other reasons Toranaga and Chickadee are my two biggest scumreads
-toranaga has zero WIM and has basically done nothing other than argue with MariaR and lolvote both mislynch wagons. Also his suggestion this game day to vote dunnstral and "blame mariar" is basically openwolfing
-chickadee has felt scummy all game and has somehow rode out multiple wagons on her without ever getting to L-2

I had felt like invisibility was towny D1 but he's closer to null after voting town "without wanting to" twice
what do you do with nulls in 6v5 lylo...
I could actually see invis being scum with one or more of the people he's been pushing (dunnstral/alchemist) given he's "vocal" about them but never actually makes much of a case for others to follow. Otoh, if he's scum he's probably not the scum we'll be lynching today.
invis/nm/dunnstral don't feel sortable this game day, honestly. Like not that it's 100% impossible to sort any of them ever, I just feel like they're all so hard to read in general and this isn't the gamestate to risk it on one of them.


If I have to have strong townreads (iffy at this point, but necessary), it's probably just chara/cobbler/lavos, with the caveat that there's probably one scum even in there at this point. majiffy might be town like I thought d1. I forget why I lost that read d2

We have ~a week to do re-reading before we need to really consolidate somewhere, so that's how I intend to spend my time

Tell me about your lavos Townread.

[Irrelephant11]

No, you tell me about your lavos read

[Alchemist21]

I don’t have one. That’s why I asked, because I haven’t been able to get a read on him.

[Lavos]

considering there are still five scum, i think finding someone who is probably scum no matter the team configuration might be one way. unfortunately there isn't a lot of wagon information (unlike perpetual mylo, which had consistent scum flips) so any of that kind of analysis will be less concrete.

The issue is, since there are 5 scum, we need literally every town to agree on this most scummy player to lynch who will flip scum and that sounds very difficult :/ We have to try though yeah.

Yes.

VOTE: Toranaga

UNVOTE:

what was this?

I voted Toranaga because I wanted to see what would happen and he's the one I wanted to vote more than anybody else. I unvoted because I realized nothing was going to happen and there was a marginal risk mafia would get online together.

I don’t have one. That’s why I asked, because I haven’t been able to get a read on him.

I'm a she btw.

[Lavos]

Invis other than deciding Dunn is scum again what are your reads and why?

Majiffy can you explain what exactly you meant by the d2 wagons feeling rushed? Because I don't get how that works and I don't understand your play from that perspective.