Dogs Vs. Cats Mafia | Endgame

[xofelf]

xofelf pls don't pagebottom stereotypically scummy wolfposts i want to townread you

As long as you promise not to pagetop with posts that make me want to scumread you for giving me incredibly weird nonsense vibes <3

let's play some mafia xofelf

why do you think I'm more likely to post 3200 as scum than town?

I'll be real honest, I have no idea why you've been doing ANYTHING in this game regardless of alignment. You confuse the shit out of me cuz nothing seems to have anything AI whatsoever. And I don't really have a town game I've interacted with you on to even know what it looks like when I see it, I only know your scum games. So maybe this is what you do when you're town in which case, *why*? Or it's the gimmick of this particular alt, which okay sure.

[Toadette]

STD stop pocketing me

[Kazyan]

'Sup

I won't be around to debate all night, but we're definitely killing "Bojack Horseman, Alien Cop" during this day phase after we review the wacky sloshing wagons from yesterday.

[MURDERCAT]

i think Andante should claim how her role corroborates Titus's.

Agree

[Toadette]

I'm actually not really gimmicking this alt at all besides the truthful and forthright assertions of my rightful species identification.

I don't know if maybe I'm playing just a smidge different cause of the tone the avi and name sets but I'm definitely not making much of a conscious effort to roleplay.

[Firebringer]

hey titus does it actually say alien on role pm

[Chara]

I'm actually not really gimmicking this alt at all besides the truthful and forthright assertions of my rightful species identification.

I don't know if maybe I'm playing just a smidge different cause of the tone the avi and name sets but I'm definitely not making much of a conscious effort to roleplay.

i'm just having a hard time with your vibe right now. where are your gamethoughts at?

or what do you think of my reads?

[Firebringer]

i miss unwnd

[xofelf]

I'm actually not really gimmicking this alt at all besides the truthful and forthright assertions of my rightful species identification.

I don't know if maybe I'm playing just a smidge different cause of the tone the avi and name sets but I'm definitely not making much of a conscious effort to roleplay.

Okay, you weren't really around long in... was it Haunted Village I'm sleepy, and I wouldn't say I'd count Flying Scumsman for much given the hydra aspect there among other things. I've just found you weird this whole game and assumed it was RPing of some kind.

[Firebringer]

if titus is scum i don't think aligned with andante

[Chara]

i miss unwnd too. i wanted to do Boon vs. Hectic 2: Chara is helpful this time.

[Chara]

sorry Nero, you also deserve to be mourned, i do like playing with you.

[Kazyan]

hey titus does it actually say alien on role pm

The mod has already said "you can't directly quote your role PM" twice now.

[Chara]

if titus is scum i don't think aligned with andante

i am less sure of this.

[xofelf]

I do also agree I'd like Andante to give us some more specific reasons why she's super into Titus' claim. I'm not surprised that if Titus actually is what she says that she would have checked out Kaz given some things, but I'm also not sure the fuck to *do* with her check there. Wish she'd have actually found an alien or something.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: Some Choice Norwee quotes

I think at least 1 scum is in the "I hate all this content" cause scum has to follow along with it, town can skim, say they won't back read, so what, ask someone for a TLDR later, like, yeah

Many ISOs to review to figure out who said they hate this content then. Here gooooes

Pro-posting:
- Andante
- Nero
- Flow Trap
- unwnd
- Chara

Anti-posting:
- SirCakez
- Beeboy?
- Kazyan

More later.

This random effort feels pretty townie from kazyan.

Was this helpful? Probably not.

who cares?

Sircakez town.

I don't think xolfelf's response was necessarily scummy. And it sounds like a classic case of a dumb tell that's used on a town that get's really annoyed by it.

VOTE: Andante

This blind vote on a rising wagon is concerning me.

Andante has very wolfy confidence with how they're saying we need to keep up their votes on them.

But what if someone vigs Beeboy and we vote someone that will react more to pressure instead.

In fact, if Beeboy is scum Pooky could be scum. Because it'd be a lot of cred for eliminating an non-participating teammate that would prob die anyway.

Kazyan [4] raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat, save the dragons
shiro [4] farkran, andante, toadette, sircakez
Andante [3] Nero Cain, dwlee99, kdowns
Beeboy [3] pooky, unwnd, kazyan [4] raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat, save the dragons shiro [4] farkran, andante, toadette, sircakez Andante [3] Nero Cain, dwlee99, kdowns Beeboy [3] pooky, unwnd, kazyan

Best wagon lineup.
VOTE: Shiro
Too tired to read all the new pages. Will do tommorow.

Did anyone claim to be a cat or dog yet? I haven't read everything so i might have missed it.

GUYS. YOU ARE LITERALLY ONLY VOTING TITUS BECAUSE OF THE BEEBOY "META" step back for 1 second and consider this being town.

not after the claim

And I'm telling all of you, based on my role pm, I 100% believe Titus. And I'm certain someone here has to also have this info, unless I'm just informed, which could work, idk. I'm not outing stuff. I believe Titus.

I like this VOTE: Dwlee

Why Dwlee btw? They haven't pinged me as scummy.

Actually i haven't liked Flow Trap at all and his ISO is just filled with one-liners. But whatever, who cares about my reads.

NorwegianboyEE can you give me reads?

I'm stuck with a problem that I don't really SR your wagon, I don't see much content from you, but I don't see why scum you doesn't want me dead?

Andante is town for their activity and general behavior around the wagons recently. It doesn't strike me as opportunistic at all.
Flow Trap's got scummy ISO of high posts and yet not really having much content at all. Their tone is just bad.
Unwnd is pretty townie imo with how impatient they are, i don't really think scum!them would be acting so chill and solvey initially and then just start screaming for us to eliminate someone already, it kinda reminds me of how i played in the 50 player large hosted a while back ago. And i understand their logic, that if we don't eliminate at some point soon the entire game will become an unreadable mess. It's just that these current leading wagon options have been bad from my POV.
I've liked Farkrans insistence on me being town for their meta tell, but honestly i'm also paranoid if they're trying to buddy me again as they did pretty well in our latest game.
Nero Cain generally just feels like town Nero Cain, not too worried about them. Though i don't agree with their Andante read anymore.

Uhh yeah, that's the major slots that's been on my mind lately. Not gonna get much more from me today i think.

[Firebringer]

hey titus does it actually say alien on role pm

The mod has already said "you can't directly quote your role PM" twice now.

i cant tell if ur serious

if titus is scum i don't think aligned with andante

i am less sure of this.

why u doubt my skillz

[SirCakez]

VOTE: titus
Nvm changed my mind let's start here

[Raya36]

I looked over interactions last night and came up with this. Someone let me know what they think
Gonna vote here VOTE: Cakez

Spoiler: stuff

Norway asked Shiro to start an early alliance so probably not partners
Wanted Andante killed in a non-distancy way so probably not partners
Was against beeboy wagon
Asked Farkran why he was town to them. Was trying to get farkran to help the view of his slot. Would've just told his partner in the pt to do it without prompt
Defended Anya (maybe partners?)
Defended Dwlee (maybe partners?)
Flow called his vote the worst on the wagon so probably not partners

From vote counts:
Beeboy probably a cat driven counter wagon (firebringer + flow trap + MC + Anya + BHL + cakez)
MC probably a cat driven counter wagon (STD + farkran + andante + pooky + toadette + firebringer + kazy + cakez + BHL + kdowns + ivy + andante)
Don't think firebringer got enough traction to be scum driven

Those who early voted norway: (Shiro)
Those who joined when other wagons had traction: (flow, kazy, STD, anya, firebringer, ivy, MC)

Unlikely to be partners: (Kazyan, Save the Dragons, Murdercat, Andante, shiro, flow trap, Farkran, anya, Ivyeo, firebringer, xofelf)
Partnernull: (pookythemagicalbear, Titus, Flea the magician, kdowns, Brave Heart Lion, Chara, toadette)
Good chance of being partners: (Dwlee99, sircakez)

Those left to sort not just based on VC:
pookythemagicalbear - only 2 mentions of norway and they both could have been from a partner, was also on both counter wagons
Dwlee99 - defended norway early on, said norway caught for the wrong reasons, called his defensiveness playstyle, was against norway elim, maybe defended too strong to be partners?
Titus - called norway scum by vca, was too jumpy with her norway vote to be partners I think but I'm not sure
Flea the magician - Barely any mention except 1 vote
sircakez - Defended Norway a bunch, was against norway elim, was on both counter wagons
kdowns - No mention of Norway
Brave Heart Lion - called Norway scum early on, switched to leantown. Didn't really feel like distancing
Chara - Seemed kind of indifferent about norway. Said Titus elim was preference but still ok with norway.
xofelf - Had unsure but negative things about Norway in their analysis, had norway as scummiest
toadette - Not much for mentions of Norway

[xofelf]

No FB, Shea did absolutely say you can't direct quote your PM. I think he even said it twice with some annoyance about having to.

[Firebringer]

No FB, Shea did absolutely say you can't direct quote your PM. I think he even said it twice with some annoyance about having to.

saying ur role name isn't quoting it

[MURDERCAT]

Based on those quotes I am very nervous about Kaz, think cake is at least not aligned with mafia, think Dragons is not aligned with mafia, think Andante is not aligned with mafia, think Titus could be mafia aligned, think Shiro is not aligned with mafia, and I'm worried about flow trap.

[Firebringer]

murdercat is on right track methinks

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: Kaz posts about norwee

SirCakez and Norwegianboy's votes for Andante look super opportunistic and weak to me, though they are almost definitely not scum together. SirCakez's explanation for the vote seems particularly like a made-up reason for me, in absence of having an actually good reason to scumread someone.

VOTE: SirCakez

I don't understand why we should ever eliminate a slot that doesn't even post. The allignment indicative information we'd get out of that flip if scum is zero to none. And if they flip town it's even worse.

Sticking this in my ISO for later.

I don't understand why we should ever eliminate a slot that doesn't even post. The allignment indicative information we'd get out of that flip if scum is zero to none. And if they flip town it's even worse.

But what if someone vigs Beeboy and we vote someone that will react more to pressure instead.

I mean if i was scum and i had someone like Beeboy as scum partner i would just buss him and say everyone who didn't vote him is scum.

This is strange. NBEE suggests that 1) flipping Beeboy would give no information, 2) that we wait for to see if we have a vigilante, and 3) that well, maybe the scum are just trying to bus Beeboy. What I'm seeing is that NBEE has no consistent townread rationale for disagreeing with the Beeboy wagon, and is simply trying very hard to save Beeboy.

If Beeboy flips scum, we should seriously consider whether NBEE was trying to save a scumbuddy here.

Policy lim lurkers, jesus. You're definitely new around here aren't you.

Just tell me to go fuck myself next time instead of being passive-aggressive.

In fact, if Beeboy is scum Pooky could be scum. Because it'd be a lot of cred for eliminating an non-participating teammate that would prob die anyway.

For reference, Pooky had a comment about this consideration earlier.

I guess i just find it hard to believe Beeboy would literally just never post as scum? Isn't this borderline trust tell?

OK so you're not even reading. Bonus.

NBEE also did this when suggesting that scum could be bussing Beeboy after Pooky specifically addressed that argument earlier.

I kinda can't blame NBEE for not wanting to read 75 pages of text tho

@Kazyan, I'd like to see a readslist from you. Reasonless is fine.

You got it.

Townread

:
unwnd
Flea the magician
Nero
SirCakez

Townlean

:
xofelf
Andante
Firebringer

Null

:
Pooky
Murdercat
kdowns
Fark
Brave Heart Lion

Who are you people?

:
Raya
Shiro

I'm Particularly Confused About

:
flow trap
Chara
Dwlee99

Scumlean

:
Iyveo
Save The Dragons
NBEE
Toadette

Scumread

:
Anya
Beeboy/Titus

Closing the tab did not help and it looks like if I step away for an hour, I will come back to another 10 pages jfc

I think Andante might be genuine here; if she were scum fighting this hard to save Titus and then Titus flipped red, Andante would get yeeted on Day 2 or maybe vigged during the night. That would be too risky of a play, I think

Titus and Andante are either in two different scum teams, or are both town.

VOTE: NBEE

VOTE: Anya to make this sporting

Fiiiiine

VOTE: Murdercat

VOTE: NBEE

kazyan you've voted norway before, why is murdercat a better option?

Oh, it's definitely not. NBEE is tied for the leading wagon now, so now I won't get chewed out for lack of commitment! VOTE: NBEE

What's norwee at? I will absolutely Not_Mafia style hammer

Also if Norwee is scum Fark is scum with him, sentiment still applies!

Dooooo it

[Chara]

I looked over interactions last night and came up with this. Someone let me know what they think
Gonna vote here VOTE: Cakez

Spoiler: stuff

Norway asked Shiro to start an early alliance so probably not partners
Wanted Andante killed in a non-distancy way so probably not partners
Was against beeboy wagon
Asked Farkran why he was town to them. Was trying to get farkran to help the view of his slot. Would've just told his partner in the pt to do it without prompt
Defended Anya (maybe partners?)
Defended Dwlee (maybe partners?)
Flow called his vote the worst on the wagon so probably not partners

From vote counts:
Beeboy probably a cat driven counter wagon (firebringer + flow trap + MC + Anya + BHL + cakez)
MC probably a cat driven counter wagon (STD + farkran + andante + pooky + toadette + firebringer + kazy + cakez + BHL + kdowns + ivy + andante)
Don't think firebringer got enough traction to be scum driven

Those who early voted norway: (Shiro)
Those who joined when other wagons had traction: (flow, kazy, STD, anya, firebringer, ivy, MC)

Unlikely to be partners: (Kazyan, Save the Dragons, Murdercat, Andante, shiro, flow trap, Farkran, anya, Ivyeo, firebringer, xofelf)
Partnernull: (pookythemagicalbear, Titus, Flea the magician, kdowns, Brave Heart Lion, Chara, toadette)
Good chance of being partners: (Dwlee99, sircakez)

Those left to sort not just based on VC:
pookythemagicalbear - only 2 mentions of norway and they both could have been from a partner, was also on both counter wagons
Dwlee99 - defended norway early on, said norway caught for the wrong reasons, called his defensiveness playstyle, was against norway elim, maybe defended too strong to be partners?
Titus - called norway scum by vca, was too jumpy with her norway vote to be partners I think but I'm not sure
Flea the magician - Barely any mention except 1 vote
sircakez - Defended Norway a bunch, was against norway elim, was on both counter wagons
kdowns - No mention of Norway
Brave Heart Lion - called Norway scum early on, switched to leantown. Didn't really feel like distancing
Chara - Seemed kind of indifferent about norway. Said Titus elim was preference but still ok with norway.
xofelf - Had unsure but negative things about Norway in their analysis, had norway as scummiest
toadette - Not much for mentions of Norway

thanks for doing this analysis. please step out of my suspect list for now. *opens up velvet rope and gestures*

i don't think either of Norwee's defenders (Cakes and Dwlee) are scum though.

i agree about Andante and Shiro not being partners with your reasons, and Shiro in particular looked like a real interaction that makes no sense to fake, but i wouldn't remove Fark on that basis as Fark is very aware of partner tells.