Situation Room [Game Over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.9

Target	Wagon
Gamma Emerald (4)	FakeGod (91), Hypothermia (134), Qoobee (137), Save The Dragons (195)
Solo (3)	Dusa (238), GuiltyLion (258), Dannflor (262)
Save The Dragons (2)	Bingle (261), Bell (270)
FakeGod (2)	Solo (283), Gamma Emerald (289)
Cupcake Butterfly (1)	UNOwen (185)
GuiltyLion (1)	Yuri Gagarin (199)
Not Voting (4)	OkaPoka, Cupcake Butterfly, DrippingGoofball, LavarManos

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-06-25 19:26:59).

[Bell]

*cough* I don't do subtle Fakegod.
I literally think you're plotting but I'm not sure if you're doing it for town ends or scum ends. Also, is omgus a bad thing here, or is this a tongue in cheek/postury thing? I don't think it makes sense for you to say, "I'm above it all" and actually think it seriously.

[Bingle]

Don't ask people to trust you in a game of mafia.

FakeGod is my favorite person who asked me to make this account. Please trust me on this.

Also pockety towards Bingle,

You might want to look at my signature.

[Bingle]

Would Not Lim:

Yuri, Cupcake, Dann, Solo

Hasn't Summoned Guy Fieri Yet:

OkaPoka

Would Lim:

STD, Hypothermia

[Dannflor]

VOTE: solo

I can give a more thorough answer when I get home from work GuiltyLion, but I do see the case for Bell being a bit LAMIST, in fact that’s why I was pushing him for content early on. Once he moved away from mech talk I got less of those vibes and I thought his initial impressions were fairly nuanced + his frequent posting has seemed pretty natural compared to where I sometimes felt he was forcing himself to post in a stilted manner when he was scum

I don't see any reasoning for the vote here?
also

@MOD you miscounted Bell's vote

fixed, thanks.
-nsg

u have to read between the lines

[Dannflor]

anyway

VOTE: save the dragons

[Hypothermia]

Gamma at that point I believe had three votes; he engaged with one with sarcasm but did not make an attempt to really communicate with the people on him. Instead he sees someone who expressed a want to vote him and voted there, which is... confusing to me. I would want to understand more why a small wagon had formed on me even if it’s early, and I was imposing that onto Gamma as well. Engaging with someone on the merits of their posting style felt to me like it was a veiled attempt to dissuade Dusa from that sentiment in an aggressive manner.

Alternatively, I guess it could just be scum!Gamma not knowing how to engage with “stronger” players on his wagon yet but that more than anything is where I feel I’d be uncharitable. But it was the thing that pinged me in this game so far.

You’re correct that I’ve invented motivation though, but that’s just the point of scumhunting I think.

Thanks for this reply, I see where you're coming from a bit better. I think we may have a clash of playstyle/philosophy here, IMO usually (but especially early game) you gotta just take what people give you at face value, if you invent motivations/narratives for why someone's play is scummy you can almost always come up with a plausible scum-agenda explanation for a lot of town play and IMO that's what scum use to their advantage to push fake scumreads

another question, how likely do you think it is that all five players who voted Gamma are town?

Ahh, I’m the opposite — I’m prone to going down rabbit holes with assumptions of what people are doing and end up getting whipped up into those when I jump onto something. Even if it’s fantastical at times, I can generally disengage from it in time if the person proves themself. It’s hard in early game though.

Despite the setup incentivizing scum on wagons I’d actually be inclined to say that as an early one it’s entirely possible it could be all town. If Gamma is scum I don’t think his partners would add pressure there unless it was more explicit he was going down in which case they’d hop on for neighborhood control.

[Hypothermia]

FakeGod conspiracy theorizing about the mafia team all immediately cowering at his reads on them is +town I think. It made me laugh.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

She's roleplaying as the character Dusa from Hades and making references to that. you should play that game if you're at all a video gamer, one of the best titles of last year

Dann, did you answer my question about your Bell townread?

Thanks for the clarity. I did not catch the gimmick either.

Phone post autocorrected me. Blah. I’m usually very lamist as town.

Does scum double down on the exact thing they are being questioned on? (Hypothetical.)

Bell, was boredom the only factor that prompted your reread?

[Cupcake Butterfly]

For future reference, I will be referring Save The Dragons as "Dragons" instead of STD...

[Solo]

Because hopefully that will make it stop

Okay.

Why should it stop?

Because it’s annoying and will make them harder to read

Okay.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I find it scummy that you voted someone who only expressed a want to vote you and not someone on your wagon who actually went through with it. Voting someone who didn't commit yet feels like a bullying tactic (not in a social manner, mind you, but it is a bit rude) to keep them away.

That, and justifying it like you are is weak.

I think most people after being voted would be more inclined to vote that person, rather than be less inclined to or scared away

Gamma voting Dusa over anyone on his wagon to scare her away from voting him is a very bizarre take. I'm also not sure why you're starting on the premise that Gamma should be better suited to vote someone on his wagon

Deliberating whether you're scum or think in a very strange way

[Solo]

Would Not Lim:

Yuri, Cupcake, Dann, Solo

Hasn't Summoned Guy Fieri Yet:

OkaPoka

Would Lim:

STD, Hypothermia

Best acquaintances:

Oka, Bell, Gamma, Dann

Intrigued by:

GuiltyLion, Dusa

Very mad at:

FakeGod, Hypothermia

[Hypothermia]

Because hopefully that will make it stop

Okay.

Why should it stop?

Because it’s annoying and will make them harder to read

Okay.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I find it scummy that you voted someone who only expressed a want to vote you and not someone on your wagon who actually went through with it. Voting someone who didn't commit yet feels like a bullying tactic (not in a social manner, mind you, but it is a bit rude) to keep them away.

That, and justifying it like you are is weak.

I think most people after being voted would be more inclined to vote that person, rather than be less inclined to or scared away

Gamma voting Dusa over anyone on his wagon to scare her away from voting him is a very bizarre take. I'm also not sure why you're starting on the premise that Gamma should be better suited to vote someone on his wagon

Deliberating whether you're scum or think in a very strange way

Does this take into account the fact that I’ve already explained why I assumed Gamma would/should have acted in a certain way? Part of the answer that you’re looking for was already given, which I believe you should have read of you were backtracking over the posts.

[Solo]

I would also vote Gamma Emerald if the game had started! We need to save up some gems and unlock it!

What the hell does this mean

VOTE: Dusa
just no

@GuiltyLion

These two posts were the driving factor for my vote on Gamma. I don’t think I clarified as well as I could have.

Gamma at that point I believe had three votes; he engaged with one with sarcasm but did not make an attempt to really communicate with the people on him. Instead he sees someone who expressed a want to vote him and voted there, which is... confusing to me. I would want to understand more why a small wagon had formed on me even if it’s early, and I was imposing that onto Gamma as well. Engaging with someone on the merits of their posting style felt to me like it was a veiled attempt to dissuade Dusa from that sentiment in an aggressive manner.

Alternatively, I guess it could just be scum!Gamma not knowing how to engage with “stronger” players on his wagon yet but that more than anything is where I feel I’d be uncharitable. But it was the thing that pinged me in this game so far.

You’re correct that I’ve invented motivation though, but that’s just the point of scumhunting I think.

I did read this, but I don't agree with it either. I don't believe Gamma was looking to engage with anyone on his wagon, he was just voting Dusa for reasons unrelated to her expressing interest in voting him, because of her gimmick that is

Could you explain why you think Dusa would be dissuaded from voting Gamma after being attacked, rather than persuaded?

[Solo]

Or why Gamma would think it would dissuade her

Most players are prone to OMGUS

[Hypothermia]

Personally? If someone did that to me I’d feel dejected and shy away from interacting rather than want to engage them; it would feel too targeted.

[Hypothermia]

Even if people do OMGUS when someone basically calls you annoying to the point you need to die (whether or not he had other motives) it makes you feel like shit. And who wants to interact with that?

[Hypothermia]

Maybe that’s a Just Me thing but I struggle with imagining the inverse happening where Dusa gets mad and goes fuck you and votes him given the way that she’s behaved so far.

[Hypothermia]

Some other players might have but not her.

[Solo]

Okay, I can understand your reasoning better knowing how you think you yourself would react

[UNOwen]

@Solo - 196
@Dusa - 242
Ignore my questions and I will just annoyingly ask them again.

[UNOwen]

UNVOTE: Cupcake
VOTE: Solo

Reads list is intriguing.

[Solo]

Had posted past rvs but no content

[Solo]

What's vote-worthy of the reads list?

[northsidegal]

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