Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Mandelbrot]

If mastina is 3p that can bank her nk's (which makes amazingly good sense considering the number of players & 1nk/night), were a lot closer to endgame than we know.

- House

[tictac]

i don't super think this game is winnable by mastina-scum anymore. kinda why I think shes town now

[Mandelbrot]

i don't super think this game is winnable by mastina-scum anymore. kinda why I think shes town now

If she has 7 night kills in her pocket and gains more each night, it's ridiculously winnable by her.

- House

[tictac]

u think shes like arsonist in the tree-game? ehh.
ok theoretically possible but not likely to exist and she not gonna spontaniously generate the role just from being mastina

[Mandelbrot]

The flavor that jumps to mind regarding WoL having the ability to do mass damage would be Limit Break... but in FFXIV, limit breaks require a party of 4+.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm gonna laugh if she is a cultist that had to recruit 3 players before unloading done grand attack.

That would just be amazeballs.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

I'm gonna laugh if she is a cultist that had to recruit 3 players before unloading some grand attack.

That would just be amazeballs.

- House

Fix't

[Mandelbrot]

@mastina: if I'm right, PLEASE RECRUIT US!

- House

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[Save The Dragons]

smh

acting like nobody's ever bussed scum before

[Dwlee99]

I'm not saying I think it's what happening house, I'm saying it's possible

[Mandelbrot]

I'm not saying I think it's what happening house, I'm saying it's possible

I'm saying it's not.

The mechanical hoops alone strains credibility, let alone subjective factors.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

smh

acting like nobody's ever bussed scum before

Cool.

How do you explain 7 night kills in 7 nights in a 21 player game?

- House

[Mandelbrot]

smh

acting like nobody's ever bussed scum before

Cool.

How do you explain 6 night kills in 6 nights in a 21 player game?

- House

Fix't. Lurn2kownt, self.

- House

[Save The Dragons]

Huh? I'm saying clearing people from the POE based on being on scum is ridiculous because bussing exists. Because I'm not scum. I dont know why people aren't dying more

[mastina]

I don't believe STD's Claim is town Because

:

1

:

The role itself

We are a

Modified Temporary Neighborizer Listener

. We submit 2 players to be Neighborized during the day, and we can read the PT but not participate in it.

i'm also an enabler of day access for private topics

Save the Dragons claimed that he is a daytalk-enabler for private topics.

The problem with that is that STD's claim provably does not interact with any of the town's roles. The PTs created by Mandelbrot get locked on daystart. This may be due to the wording on Mandelbrot's role, so only they'd be able to know the interactions for sure, meaning that either STD's claim is outright false due to the role not interacting with Mandelbrot's, or even if the wording in Mandelbrot's role means that it'd be impossible for the PTs to be open during the day, the fact that there's zero town PTs active in the day suggests it is a fakeclaim.

In other words, it's hard-damned if you do (the interaction SHOULD mean daytalk in Mandelbrot's PTs), still-damned if you don't (no PTs for STD to make be daytalk for the town).

2

:

MOD: Do the scum have daytalk enabled by default?

It's relevant to my next point which is that enabling daytalk may not be a fakeclaim--but a trueclaim of the actual fifth scum if scum do not have daytalk enabled by default. (Obviously, doesn't matter if they have daytalk by default tho.) It's entirely plausible for GIF to make a role that has one passive ability and an active ability, proven by Mystic Bears having one of both. So STD could genuinely be enabling daytalk...for scum...while still being the roleblocker.

3

:

Wrong Terminology

STD said he is a daytalk enabler. I would expect this claim, if it were real, to be under a different name: Encryptor. I realize GIF is not always on top of the standard terminology, but that's precisely why I don't believe the daytalk-enabler, as Enabler (in this case, Daytalk) is actually the newer term with the older, more recognized by a veteran mod like GIF, term, is Encryptor. (The two do the same thing; Encryptors are Daytalk Enablers.)

4

:

Flavor

Gaius van Baelsar, the one scum we're likely to have left, and as I remind you, conveniently the scum flavor STD "jokingly" claimed here (do I need to mention how contrived a coincidence it is that STD in his "joke" claimed the ONLY scum we've yet to eliminate?), has this little blurb about his abilities:

Gaius is a skilled pilot of machina, personally steering the ancient Allagan magitek armor known as Ultima Weapon. He has access to at least one unnamed ship of the Imperial Dreadnaught designation, which is not encountered beyond its one appearance in the 1.0 story.

Gaius is an accomplished general whom both enemy and ally alike cannot help but respect. He conquered Ala Mhigo during its period of unrest: when the people revolted against the King of Ruin, leaving the nation vulnerable, Gaius made his move and conquered the nation with minimal effort.

(The other half covers why Gaius is a good fit for being a scum roleblocker, but we knew that about him anyway.)
Both of these definitely seem like possible flavor justifications for Gaius being a scum Encryptor. A general, inspiring loyalty, respected, who is skilled at piloting.

5

:

Fakeclaim fits as a mod-provided safeclaim

i'm a beloved princess who roleblocks town when killed

GIF is

precisely

the type of moderator who would give the scum roleblocker a fakeclaim of roleblocking the town when they are eliminated. I just genuinely think that scum roleblocker getting a beloved princess fakeclaim is PRECISELY the sort of thing up GIF's alley of scum fakeclaim policy.

But while we're on that part of the role PM...

6

:

Play around the claim

i'm a beloved princess who roleblocks town when killed

"roleblocks the town". Well, about that:

raid

Raid Queue - Ifrit
Success bonus for raid completion:

Gains strongwilled/strongarm for one night

raid

Raid Queue - Ifrit
Success bonus for raid completion:

Gains strongwilled/strongarm for one night

Why is that important?

Guys.
I just got info that... yes indeed this raid reward would make my heal succeed regardless of strongman.
Something about 2 strongarmed roles interacting as if neither was strongarmed.

Sakura Hana went through the effort of basically saying that for the town roles, the raid would make them immune to being roleblocked unless the roleblocker was also strongwilled and roleblocked them.

In other words.

A beloved princess, if eliminated on a day where the raid success bonus is strongwilled...
...The town players on the raid wouldn't be roleblocked by the beloved princess being killed.

So my question is thus:

Why didn't STD, after Sakura Hana went through the effort of figuring out this interaction, claim his role and offer himself up as an elimination?

For D2 you can maybe excuse it as being a day we had a cop guilty--but what about the later raid?

If STD were really a beloved princess whose death would cause the town to be roleblocked, then he'd realize the raid would cause those on it to bypass his role, basically nullifying the downsides of it.

But wait, there's more!

7

:

The claim itself...again.

Per the wiki, let me quote this:

Variations

A common variation for Beloved Princess is that the Day-skipping event only occurs if the Beloved player is eliminated. If the Beloved player is killed in any other way, nothing special happens. This significantly increases the chance of the Beloved role

not

crippling the Town.

I get that it's listed as a variation and that GIF wouldn't necessarily use this version, but it's still the version of the role that, in spite of being called a 'variation', I would consider more common. Scum killing a beloved princess and being rewarded with a day skip is obviously something town has little counterplay around. Town killing a beloved princess is something that they deserve to be punished for.

And then there's a final bonus:

8

:

STD should be killed before we have 6 players alive REGARDLESS of his alignment.

EVEN IF Save the Dragons IS town truthfully claiming beloved princess, now that he has claimed, if he is town, he cannot be allowed to live until we have 6 or fewer alive. Because then, regardless of him being eliminated during day or night, scum automatically would win.

In other words, we NEED to eliminate him while we have 7 or more alive.

The fact that STD hasn't mentioned this, though, the fact that STD hasn't mentioned that he can't live to 6-or-fewer alive? Is evidence that he's scum here because if he were town, he'd KNOW that he'd need to die while we have more than 7 alive.

By the way, we have 9 alive right now.

If STD is truthfully claiming, he NEEDS to die either today or tomorrow; he CANNOT live longer than that or the town risks an autoloss

.
But again: STD not mentioning this is pretty damn strong proof that he's scum, fakeclaiming, because he doesn't want to actually eat the elimination, in spite of how if he is town he should know he MUST be eliminated before town auto-loses.

[Save The Dragons]

What

[mastina]

STD should be killed before we have 6 players alive REGARDLESS of his alignment.

EVEN IF Save the Dragons IS town truthfully claiming beloved princess, now that he has claimed, if he is town, he cannot be allowed to live until we have 6 or fewer alive. Because then, regardless of him being eliminated during day or night, scum automatically would win.

In other words, we NEED to eliminate him while we have 7 or more alive.

The fact that STD hasn't mentioned this, though, the fact that STD hasn't mentioned that he can't live to 6-or-fewer alive? Is evidence that he's scum here because if he were town, he'd KNOW that he'd need to die while we have more than 7 alive.

By the way, we have 9 alive right now.

[b

]If STD is truthfully claiming, he NEEDS to die either today or tomorrow; he CANNOT live longer than that or the town risks an autoloss

[/b].

if he is town he

should

know he

MUST

be eliminated before town auto-loses.

Just going to put this out there for emphasis.
(I did do the math slightly wrong tho; it's 5 alive, not 6 alive.)

Even if you don't believe me that STD is scum, you should still want to back me on eliminating STD because if STD isn't scum, scum can auto-win by killing him when we have 5 alive.

[Save The Dragons]

I'm going to make that post my signature when I flip town

[Save The Dragons]

I dont get this auto win thing

[Save The Dragons]

How does me rbing the town at 6 cause scum to win

[Bell]

I think they think the role you claimed the default beloved princess where there are 2 nights in a row. Rather than the abomination that is your "everybody gets role blocked that night"

[Bell]

Anyway, I gotta sleep.
I don't really wanna lim anyone yet because I sort of want to poke at everyone and pick right early.

[Save The Dragons]

K so that's probably why I didnt mention this mastina

[Mandelbrot]

IO

*shuts down*