Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Mandelbrot]

Want to talk about unfair?

You've approached me sideways all game, and I think it's been to prevent me from being comfortable getting a read on you.

No hate, though. Manipulation is the name of the game for scum.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Eh.

I'm actually gonna backpedal, here.

I know you're dealing with other problems lately that may have you on edge.

I haven't been taking that into account.

I'm sorry.

- House

[Qrow and Raven]

Idk what's sideways about my approach to you, but I appreciate that you're taking my feelings into consideration.

-Qrow

[Mandelbrot]

It's just the ribbings that I've given you this game, which I typically do, you've gotten far more defensive about than you have in the past.

It wasn't coming home to me that some people are doing that with malicious intent, which colors the way my own playfulness may be perceived by someone who is actually being cut down by others.

It felt to me like your defensiveness was a manipulative tactic to try to get me to back off from trying to interact with you in general to keep distance so that I wouldn't feel comfortable pushing you.

In retrospect, though, I do get why things have happened the way they did this game, and I'm sorry that I added to your problems.

- House

[Bell]

Hi, I'm off work, not sure what to make of that interaction.

STD, Qrow, Tictac,

did ya'll answer my "why aren't you scum this game" question?

[Qrow and Raven]

You've been thinking we're scum for how long House?
And I don't see how scum!tictac wouldn't fish for the same derpclear

-Qrow

Pretty much since the hypersensitivity started. Does not feel at all genuine.

- House

I’m always hypersensitive, that’s a very bad metric for reading me.

~R

[Mandelbrot]

You've been thinking we're scum for how long House?
And I don't see how scum!tictac wouldn't fish for the same derpclear

-Qrow

Pretty much since the hypersensitivity started. Does not feel at all genuine.

- House

I’m always hypersensitive, that’s a very bad metric for reading me.

~R

You're also not Gamma.

Of course I wouldn't apply the same metrics to you.

- House

[Qrow and Raven]

Hi, I'm off work, not sure what to make of that interaction.

STD, Qrow, Tictac,

did ya'll answer my "why aren't you scum this game" question?

Well, my interactions with flipped scum. I pushed Wheme when Cheeky was also on the table and it also pretty damned obvious we can’t be buddies with Bears.


~R

[Qrow and Raven]

You've been thinking we're scum for how long House?
And I don't see how scum!tictac wouldn't fish for the same derpclear

-Qrow

Pretty much since the hypersensitivity started. Does not feel at all genuine.

- House

I’m always hypersensitive, that’s a very bad metric for reading me.

~R

You're also not Gamma.

Of course I wouldn't apply the same metrics to you.

- House

Why eyeroll emoji?

What metric would you apply to me?

~R

[Mandelbrot]

You've been thinking we're scum for how long House?
And I don't see how scum!tictac wouldn't fish for the same derpclear

-Qrow

Pretty much since the hypersensitivity started. Does not feel at all genuine.

- House

I’m always hypersensitive, that’s a very bad metric for reading me.

~R

You're also not Gamma.

Of course I wouldn't apply the same metrics to you.

- House

Why eyeroll emoji?

What metric would you apply to me?

~R

A more conservative/generic one, due to lack of familiarity.

Do you treat every single person the same? Or do your interactions vary based on the individuality of the person?

- House

[Qrow and Raven]

vary

~R

[Mandelbrot]

There ya go.

Same diff.

- House

[tictac]

Hi, I'm off work, not sure what to make of that interaction.

STD, Qrow, Tictac,

did ya'll answer my "why aren't you scum this game" question?

i thought u were joking, so no.
role pm

[tictac]

"Why aren't I more concerned about QR-scum here?" is a question someone should ask me, so I'm doing it.
Well, tictac, as far as I can see their best path to victory goes like this:
yeet StD
NK Mandel
yeet dw (it does have to be dw before me, cause reading days 2 and 3 w my flip info that mastina TR on them gonna be gone I bet. I intend to make this difficult)
NK TC
yeet tictac (intent to make this difficult also)
NK Mastina
and they in 3p w Bell and Toog, which I'm fairly sure they will lose.

and this assumes no new info from role-reveals and Mastina NA continues to be as useless as it has been to date.

soo @Bell & Toog: always vote for the third person in a 3p and u gonna win.

[tictac]

WoL have been claimed and proven.

Technically,

technically

, this isn't exactly true.

uknow. maybe it's low blood-sugar talking, but would be kinda grand if mastinas claim was public info before moving forward here.
cause if we miss here psure u gonna die, and toog is apparently someone who would say a thing is proven when it isn't
is there like an actual reason 4 keeping it between u 3 still?
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Is tomorrow the strongwill raid? We could yeet STD tomorrow just with the fact that then hopefully we get a strongwill night which negates the roleblock thingy. And if scum fail it we get a conftown

[Qrow and Raven]

"Why aren't I more concerned about QR-scum here?" is a question someone should ask me, so I'm doing it.
Well, tictac, as far as I can see their best path to victory goes like this:
yeet StD
NK Mandel
yeet dw (it does have to be dw before me, cause reading days 2 and 3 w my flip info that mastina TR on them gonna be gone I bet. I intend to make this difficult)
NK TC
yeet tictac (intent to make this difficult also)
NK Mastina
and they in 3p w Bell and Toog, which I'm fairly sure they will lose.

and this assumes no new info from role-reveals and Mastina NA continues to be as useless as it has been to date.

soo @Bell & Toog: always vote for the third person in a 3p and u gonna win.

I actually think I liked you better when you were shitpushing me.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Is tomorrow the strongwill raid? We could yeet STD tomorrow just with the fact that then hopefully we get a strongwill night which negates the roleblock thingy. And if scum fail it we get a conftown

Can you explain this and who would the confitown be in this scenario?

~R

[mastina]

BTW temporary prod dodge to let y'all know that I'll be around later tonight, to respond to everything and hopefully flesh out why I think we should just eliminate STD here.

[Mandelbrot]

WoL have been claimed and proven.

Technically,

technically

, this isn't exactly true.

uknow. maybe it's low blood-sugar talking, but would be kinda grand if mastinas claim was public info before moving forward here.
cause if we miss here psure u gonna die, and toog is apparently someone who would say a thing is proven when it isn't
is there like an actual reason 4 keeping it between u 3 still?
UNVOTE:

There's nothing more to be gained by maintaining secrecy at this point, IMHO.

If scum was going to kill mastina, they already would have. She literally claimed to have as much control over the game as the mod and wasn't immediately yeeted, so for whatever reason, scum clearly isn't afraid of her.

- House

[Bell]

Hi, I'm off work, not sure what to make of that interaction.

STD, Qrow, Tictac,

did ya'll answer my "why aren't you scum this game" question?

Well, my interactions with flipped scum. I pushed Wheme when Cheeky was also on the table and it also pretty damned obvious we can’t be buddies with Bears.


~R

I thought about this. It's borderline close to being true. I don't know why I'm not completely sold on this.

"Why aren't I more concerned about QR-scum here?" is a question someone should ask me, so I'm doing it.
Well, tictac, as far as I can see their best path to victory goes like this:
yeet StD
NK Mandel
yeet dw (it does have to be dw before me, cause reading days 2 and 3 w my flip info that mastina TR on them gonna be gone I bet. I intend to make this difficult)
NK TC
yeet tictac (intent to make this difficult also)
NK Mastina
and they in 3p w Bell and Toog, which I'm fairly sure they will lose.

and this assumes no new info from role-reveals and Mastina NA continues to be as useless as it has been to date.

soo @Bell & Toog: always vote for the third person in a 3p and u gonna win.

This is quite unique for a scum thought process. Still dunno why you're alive while Realcheeks is dead though.

[Dwlee99]

Is tomorrow the strongwill raid? We could yeet STD tomorrow just with the fact that then hopefully we get a strongwill night which negates the roleblock thingy. And if scum fail it we get a conftown

Can you explain this and who would the confitown be in this scenario?

~R

Nvm we have 9 left now

[Toogeloo]

Why are we dragging this out?

[Tomorrow Corporation]

You sure on voting the Dragon? I prefer Qrow and Raven but will defer to your flavour knowledge grand wisdom.

[mastina]

Oh right, yeah. Question to all of you. Why aren’t you scum this game?

TC, tracked nowhere on a night we know had a roleblock.
Mandelbrot, confirmed not a roleblocker.
Me, have contributed to every scum death + am way out of my scum range + my fullclaim (Which Toog and Mandelbrot can vouch for).
You, for meta + contributing to every scum death.
Dwlee, for contributing to some scum death + N1 pt with Titus + being on the D2 raid which Elsa failed (may need to double check that, am mobile phoneposting at work, so working off of memory here)
Toogeloo, for contributing to every scum death + PT knowledge.
Qrow/Raven, for contributing to most scum deaths + both heads in their town meta (maybe more, too, but need to not be phoneposting).

I want to give better answers to this than what I gave, but basically:

Tomorrow Corporation has directly contributed to the death of every scum in the game, multiple times. Tomorrow Corporation was also a scum-driven counterwagon to Elsa Jay on D3. As if that wasn't enough, Tomorrow Corporation was tracked going nowhere on a night we know that the last scum remaining used a roleblock action. As if that wasn't enough,

Final Raid Group

1. Dwlee99
   
2. Bell
   
3. Elsa Jay
   
4. tictac
   
5. Tomorrow Corporation

The raid is a

failure!

Every name on here is basically highly likely to not be the scum roleblocker. They are basically conftown here as a result.

Mandelbrot has contributed to the death of multiple scum, as well as having their role be confirmed to not be the roleblocker. Furthermore, their usage of their role makes them highly likely to be town. The knowledge they've gained from private topics, like N1 and N5/N6, all make it so that they are basically as cleared as cleared can get.

I am conftown from having been suspicious of all four scum for basically the entirety of the game and being THE main driver behind most of their eliminations. I was the strongest proponent of the Elsa Jay elimination AND I shut down the attempted counterwagons on Tomorrow Corporation and to a lesser extent tictac. I was the driving force behind eliminating WhemeStar and defended RealCheeks. I was THE driving force behind the Mystic Bears elimination, and again, shot down, and by proxy, shut down, counterwagon attempts (again on the likes of RealCheeks among others). And beyond all of that, my role (which Mandelbrot and Toogeloo have full access to) is hard-clearing of me as it is a role that cannot be a scum role. Plus, while my raid success has never been confirmed, the fact is that I've still contributed towards making those raids succeed, and have thus been immensely pro-town in having done so, and scum making raids fail had to deliberately sack themselves in order to do so. Plus, this is so absurdly out of my scumrange that it's impossible for me to be scum. (Heck, it's even out of my 3p range since while I play 3ps as if I am town, being 3p instead of town, I still notably have something "not there" which people can and DO pick up on when I am 3p. That nobody has is proof that I'm town.)

You, Bell, are conftown because of meta with this being outside of your scum range, you having contributed to basically every scum death, and also,

Final Raid Group

1. Dwlee99
   
2. Bell
   
3. Elsa Jay
   
4. tictac
   
5. Tomorrow Corporation

The raid is a

failure!

Every name on here is basically highly likely to not be the scum roleblocker. You are among them and thus, highly likely to not be scum.

Dwlee is also basically cleared for this by the same logic, but beyond that, had the N1 PT with Titus and Titus lived through N1 AND N2 alive and unblocked, plus, has contributed to scum's death in a way that doesn't seem scumbuddy-indicative.

Toogeloo is basically cleared because of how Toog was the deciding factor in the Elsa Jay elimination AND the SirCakez elimination and has contributed to every scum death in a meaningful way. Beyond that, if Toogeloo were scum, the last two nights would not have played out the way that they did, as Toogeloo had access to my fullclaim and we know the scum roleblocker is left alive. As a result, from what transpired and what

didn't

transpire, I am clearing Toogeloo here.

Qrow and Raven is basically:
Nancy doesn't really bus. (She CAN, she just...in general...doesn't.)
Why's this important?
Because the slot, if scum, has done precisely that the whole game pretty much.
You can argue that Gamma's earlier posts, Nancy wouldn't veto, but this one I feel she would have objected strongly to, yet she did not. Cakez was Gamma's strongest scumread in fact and this was partially with Nancy's feedback. While Nancy doesn't list him as scum, She DOES list him as "concerning" in not being town, which while not a hard-commitment to not bussing, still shows more inclination towards bussing. While she backtracks on that here, she does so...when pointing fingers at a

different

scum, in thinking WhemeStar was suspicious. And Gamma continued his push there.

Gamma also showed early suspicion on Elsa Jay, too.

Admittedly, this isn't the strongest of starts on page one of their iso.

But it does get better.

This is Gamma voting for Cakez on D1 instead of Momrangal. While Nancy was more defending of Cakez than not, critically, she did not unvote. She did not override Gamma's vote. If she were scum, I'd expect her to have unvoted SirCakez there, but she didn't. She let the vote stay.

And while Her D2 vote on Cakez was after Romance's guilty claim, this being Nancy, I'm not even sure she

saw

the guilty claim at the time, and there's evidence she was heading towards a Cakez vote prior to the guilty claim (Romance's guilty claim was 2205 so Nancy posted 2185 before the guilty claim and 2185 is pretty unambiguously suspicious of Cakez). 2253, also post-guilty, but also showing Nancy showing reasons beyond "lol guilty" to vote there.

But that's just SirCakez.

This post also implies Elsa suspicion. As does the followthrough.

Which is made explicit in 2185, where Elsa is noted as a suspect.

Gamma also showed severe suspicion of WhemeStar.

Gamma Was an early voter of Elsa Jay here. Furthered in 2922. This would be something that Gamma would've discussed with Nancy overnight so it is likely she was aware of it and did not oppose him. 3036 and 3054 both show more of this. Here she had the chance to back off of Elsa Jay but chose not to. Tho she does go off against tictac and launch into a crusade against them (by the way, Nancy doing that? 100% her town meta and not something I feel she can replicate as scum so while it's unfortunate that it took the slot's vote off of Elsa Jay, it's further proof they are town by play even if not by vote placement), later down the road she still has Elsa Jay as a preferred elimination anyway. (Her preference towards tictac isn't scum not voting a scumbuddy, but rather, Nancy doing the OMGUS Nancy is known for and confbiasing as a consequence. Again--something I don't think she's capable of doing as scum.)

4066, 4067, and 4069 all show evidence that Nancy was sincere in wanting to yeet Elsa Jay, too. 4077 was further pushing of this as well.

And then furthering the pushing of flipped scum, we get to Nancy's push on the slot here, augmented by 5577 and culminating in the vote here.

But the real clincher is 5592, where Nancy claims Out Of Game reasons for scumreading WhemeStar--does that sound like an accusation a scumbuddy makes of their scum partner when deciding to bus them? Fuck no, this is a town Nancy through and through. And it wasn't a one-off, either. She was quite insistent on eliminating Wheme, there. In fact, she was one of the strongest pushers for Wheme being scum.

Plus, while it's not bussing of Mystic Bears, This post sequence is not scum-scum from Nancy ever.

Aside from all of these interactions, Nancy is just in her town meta through and through. I've seen her as scum quite a lot and if this is her scumplay she's leveled up it a LOT because it's hitting all the right town notes from what I'd expect to see from her when she's town.
It is

also

what I'd expect to see from Gamma Emerald as town as well.

Both slots have played about as town as they possibly could, so while not cleared mechanically, they can't get more town than this.