AI UPCIK PART II | Compromised

[Radical Rat]

RR, I'm not convinced Pooky is town. Do you really think we can all post lists close enough to one time that scum won't be able to manipulate their lists? How long is this analysis going to take? Pooky messes around for a few days and suddenly we are close to deadline again.

I'm not convinced he's Town either, but I think this is a useful exercise to participate in regardless. And posting lists close enough together to avoid manipulation, well... That ship's already sailed, since I and others have already posted early after misunderstanding 1175. After the lists are up though, it should just be a matter of adding up the totals, and potentially arguing a bit over whether or not to follow through. I don't think that's going to cause us to hit deadline.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait does any1 actually think pooky is going to feed these results through his machine learning scum catching algorithmic paragon machine and like say he should die himself

[Radical Rat]

it is funny but i didnt interpret it as intentional yeah

so it's more "this is ironic" vs. "this is scummy", then

Pretty much, but it also sure doesn't improve my opinion on him

[NDMath]

Am feeling better about the Ari vote than I was earlier but still would prefer RR.

I'm confused by this statement ND. You were voting RR at the time, not Ari. But the statement almost sounds like your vote was on Ari. Can you talk about this?

the Ari vote as in the wagon occurring on Ari.
Still prefer RR as in I'm not switching my vote from RR to Ari.

[NDMath]

Get off my wagon. Seriously.

Do you think you're being pushed primarily by town or scum?

[NDMath]

I'm more confident on dwlee being town after reading their day2 again; it's very aimless (for lack of a better term) which I've found to be a town trait for them in prior games, as well as the general implications of agendalessness.

[Morning Tweet]

im really sick but its ok im powering through

We should!

I'm pretty okay eliminating anyone but Dwlee and Gamma.

Dwlee because we're using them to eat the hammers, and Gamma's pretty obviously Town for me right now.

Everyone else I could go either way on, but I'd prefer either Skybird or A50.

Gamma still obvtown this game to you? I've gotten this impression from multiple places that gamma is out of his scumrange

not particularly swayed by Titus' catchup on 23 -- maybe she voices distaste for the RR wagon knowing it's town. I'm not sure I see the skybird townreads either. The post is within Titus' ability in any case not sure why Gamma townread it

9. Skybird - Strong town lean

Explain this one to me please.

You said earlier she was tonally scummy, but had Town logic. But, to me, both of her pushes were pretty bad, and nothing else has really stood out as feeling Town...

mindmeld theory

This is why I’m voting RR
This and having only me and Dwlee as TRs at one point after expressing town feelings on a number of slots.

???

Is skybird obvious town that RR is shading and i am getting this wrong? open question

this is a nitpick and my opinion is skewed but mastinas calling 585 a wall is really generous, its more like a bunch of tiny posts collected into one. Unless that is scummy for Dragons but i got the impression "high effort dragon = scum" which doesnt exactly seem like the case

Tarou worries me Dwlee is leantown

Lookng at the vc i find myself drawn to the skybird wagon and against RR (obviously). Gamma/Yuki/unwnd/Tarou all on RR - Dwlee and RR on Skybird. Definitely talk to me about skybird -- are they obvious town and im off the mark, or am i on the right track?

[Gamma Emerald]

I liked skybird’s play around me
Some get pissy when I make reads this way but a recent game showed they can actually be really damn good

[Morning Tweet]

i mean any read can be good incidentally (not saying you're wrong but that doesnt necessarily make it a good tell)

[Titus]

Words here that help people solve...

That's my way of saying I have a blank and I TR everyone posting

[Dwlee99]

Echoing Titus I think

[Gamma Emerald]

How the fuck did I forget Titus was in the game despite having done the rankdown semi-recently?

[Morning Tweet]

1. NDMath
2. Taroumaru
3. Enchant
4. Skybird
5. Titus
6. Yuki
7. Gamma Emerald
8. Pooky
9. A50?
10. Ari?
11. Dwlee99
12. Radical Rat
13. Morning Tweet

Looking at it like this though there are a lot of slots i straight up dont know hardly anything about

Again is Enchant actually in this game? Is he gone?

Tarou and ND are both a little below nullscum for me since i found their stances sort of convenient for scum although i obviously only put as much stock in that as i can for a D2 in a game like this.

I feel very good about my bottom few. There's probably like one in the grey area towards the middle. The bottom half of this playerlist is such a hard read that if they're majority town it's going to be impossible for me to figure that out. that's why I'd kill enchant over skybird/titus but probably not for tarou/NDmath, I feel its very likely one or both of them have evil intent.

This isnt my final list but its where im at so far

[Morning Tweet]

Oh and I put the question marks on A50/Ari because it's sort of dependent on my interpretation of A50 being consensus town being correct. Ari I'm a bit more confident on but he's not quite in the tier where id be surprised at a scumflip

[Morning Tweet]

Words here that help people solve...

That's my way of saying I have a blank and I TR everyone posting

what's a blank?

[Morning Tweet]

Oh, and the definition of a good argument is: Does NOT include the words/expressions "I feel" or "it looks like" or the like.

:sweating:

Ari went to X-1 on page 28 and A50 didn't claim a N0 inno then...... how the HELL did everyone buy the innocent when it came later? (I have that correct no?)

Kind of like Skybird switching to Kop from a distaste for the Ari wagon. NDMath sort of egged Dwlee to hammer (692) which i really don't like i think scum probably chills and sees if a hammer happens (assuming Ari is town)

@RR: Let's assume you are Town. Would you rather kill s Townie over No Lim?

Yes. Yes I would.

OK..

VOTE: Radical Rat

LOL that's effed up

Yuki do you still find RR scummy? (And if this question was answered recently I am sorry but i have limited game sense and im reviewing back here tonight so yeah).

votecount 1.12

Radical Rat (4) :

Taroumatu ; Almost50 ; Yuki Takeya ; MegAzumaril

Aristophanes (3) :

Dragon Of The West ; unwnd

Kop (3) :

NDmath ; Skybird ; Gamma Emerald

Almost50 (2) :

superbowl9 ; Radical Rat

Dragon Of The West (1) :

Aristophanes

Skybird (1) :

Kop

Not Voting (2) :

Dwlee99 ; Titus

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-03 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone

I probably would have voted Kop. That looks worse for Tarou better for NDMath (Although to be fair, Kop was town and also NDmath was complacent with an RR hammer). I probably like Skybird/Gamma better, yuki an unwnd worse

Oh Kop claimed his role was easily confirmable i forgot about that. I have no idea who I would have voted, possibly Ari then cause i wouldnt have had access to the info i do now. Hmph. Unwnd is still complacent with RR anyway

Tarou is Yuki obvious town to you?

Can people go back to ari? Seriously, why did that wagon evaporate? I townread DotW and RR here and a50 I thought was town but he's being scummy af now. So either wagon a50 for all the wagoning shenanigans he's been up to or wagon ari and I will hammer either.

Yeah probably this

[Titus]

Words here that help people solve...

That's my way of saying I have a blank and I TR everyone posting

what's a blank?

Nothing I feel useful to say but I should say something so maybe people can help me out of my funk.

[Morning Tweet]

Am feeling better about the Ari vote than I was earlier but still would prefer RR.

I'll be back a little before deadline in case nothing's hammered by then but the situation appears it'll be under control.

it doesn't feel like you were particularly concerned which wagon died -- which fits with my idea that most or all were town. Which also makes sense with how most of the game is low impact, i expect scum could get away with leading wagons easier.

Hey we're to the fake Inno on Ari. Originally I was like "okay well scum followed the vote without caring, why?" -- I am thinking it's because there's scum in the voters and both wagons were town. I guess that's not an earth shattering conclusion though but it makes sense given it seems this game is super fucking slow and people can plausibly be like "Whatever we just need to get something thru" without questioning much

I think if there were more town on RR there'd be a "Bullshit no way" response. Or if Ari were town and RR!scum there'd also have been a bullshit no way. But.. there wasn't.

[Morning Tweet]

Oh, like drawing a blank! I see. i would like to provide new jumping points for the game to get started again sometime soon

[Morning Tweet]

I think if there were more town on RR there'd be a "Bullshit no way" response. Or if Ari were town and RR!scum there'd also have been a bullshit no way. But.. there wasn't.

Highlighting this because id love to talk about it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont get it

[Morning Tweet]

Dwlee's like the only one who even bothered to argue with A50

[Titus]

votecount 1.10

Radical Rat (4) :

Gamma Emerald ; Yuki Takeya ; unwnd ; Taroumatu

Skybird (3) :

Dwlee99 ; Kop ; Radical Rat

Kop (2) :

MegAzumarill ; Titus

Dragon Of The West (2) :

Aristophanes ; NDmath

Almost50 (1) :

superbowl9

Aristophanes (1) :

Dragon Of The West

Gamma Emerald (1) :

Save The Dragons

Not Voting (2) :

Skybird ; Almost50

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-03 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone

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2m

During DAY, only 1 100-letter'r

2m

T

A50
GE
Ari
Tits
D99
Meg

LT

Yu

ki

S

ky

sb

9

N

Taro
ND
unw

R

R

S

KT/K
STD
DotW

votecount 1.11

Aristophanes (6) :

Dragon Of The West ; Save The Dragons ; unwnd ; Radical Rat ; Gamma Emerald ; Titus

Radical Rat (2) :

Yuki Takeya ; Taroumatu

Kop (2) :

MegAzumarill ; NDmath

Dragon Of The West (1) :

Aristophanes

Skybird (1) :

Kop

Almost50 (1) :

superbowl9

Not Voting (3) :

Skybird ; Almost50 ; Dwlee99

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-03 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute rsomeone

[Morning Tweet]

i dont get it

Okay let me elaborate

A50 claims a fake innocent, not the first time Ari is X-1 (like you'd expect from an innocent result), but the second time. It's also a..... N0 innocent that just so happens to be on a D1 wagon. So basically astronomically unlikely. But no one pointed that out and there was just a "Meh" response. If RR were scum and Ari town, I'd have expected that and I wouldnt have blamed anyone for calling it out.

Or, if like there were a ton of town pushing Ari i'd expect like... good townplay to scrutinize. That i'm less sure on though.

Oh there's one flaw with my theory, maybe scum doesnt expect RR to come under fire after Ari wagon dissolves

[Morning Tweet]

the timeline:

RR voters switch to Ari
A50 claims Ari is innocent
RR votes Dragon, there is an existing Dragon wagon

Meh i guess if RR is scum they can get away with it