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Post Post #6375 (ISO) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:32 pm

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Comprehensive List of Claims/Reads
, Version 3.0

T3

Pokemon:
Makuhita
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Bulk Up
Role:
extra attack for evolution
(speculation: evolution was an X-shot vig?)

Actions:
N1, did nothing? (not confirmed, but role wasn't evolved so presumed).
Notes:
(None)

Wisdom

Pokemon:
Huntail
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Dive
Role:
Nonconsecutive Follower (sees type of move target used, from Protective/Killing/Investigative/Misc.; couldn't use two nights in a row)
Actions:
Guess we'll never know, huh?
Notes:
Fuck y'all for extending the game because with Wisdom not speed-limmed we'd have already ended the game in a town win.

Save the Dragons

Pokemon:
Mareep->Flaafy->Ampharos
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Light Screen->Growl->Cotton Spore
Role:
Protection from non-Normal(type) moves (with link to Normal-type moves)->protect from harmful moves, prioritizing non-killing moves (one action stopped/night)->treestumps a player after their death.
Actions:
N1, evolved. N2, evolved. N3, targeted
Titus
. N4, targeted MathBlade (however, this failed due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop).
Notes:
Well, crap. I should've stuck to my guns. :(

Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald

Pokemon:
Blissey
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Heal Pulse
Role:
Indecisive Rolestopper (prevents target from being affected by any move/role; cannot target the same player consecutively)
Actions:
N1, rolestopped mastina (granting her a 1x copy of his role); N2, rolestopped Milobird; N3, rolestopped Truth Innuendos Lies (this is the source of the failed nightkill); N4, rolestopped MathBlade; N5, ???; was nightkilled.
Notes:
(None)

WhemeStar

Pokemon:
Gardevoir
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Imprison
Role:
Combined Jailkeeper Watcher (Targets a player; target is protected but roleblocked; learns whoever visited target)
Actions:
N1, ???; N2, ???; N3, targeted PookyTheMagicalBear (nobody targeted Pooky N3), N4 ???; was nightkilled.
Notes:
(None)

The Goat/Titus

Pokemon:
Milotic->Milokaross
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Splash->Disarming Voice
Role:
Fruit Vendor->1-shot Strong-Willed Friendly Neighbor (cannot be prevented, but could be redirected)
Actions:
N1, targeted Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens (this action's failure is unexplained) and evolved. N2, Friendly Neighbor'd Milobird. (Milobird confirmed.); N6 was nightkilled.
Notes:
(None)

chowchow

Pokemon:
Wurmple->Cascoon->Dustox (allegedly due to scum flip D1)
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Confusion
Role:
Roleblocker that doesn't stop kills
Actions:
evolved N1; evolved N2; no-action'd N3/N4/N5.
Notes:
...Oops?

Truth Innuendos Lies

Pokemon:
Absol
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Future Sight
Role:
Informed 3-shot Delayed Cop (targets a player; receives their role the next night; could use this action three times; knew there was a Godfather in the game, later revealed to be
imaginality
)
Actions:
N1,
Dwlee
; N2, investigated SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/Mathblade, received the result of them being
town
; N3, ??? (but was killed before results); N4, was nightkilled.
Notes:
Was the N3 nightkill, due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop being the only killstop effect to work that night.

Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

Pokemon:
Remoraid->Octillery
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
???->Wrap
Role:
Neighborizer-permanent-Busdriver(busdrives self and neighborized target permanently)->Modified 2-shot Babysitter / Rolestopper (twice, could prevent target from being targeted by any non-killing actions; if killed, would take target down with them)
Actions:
N1, ???; N2, targeted Milobird (this action failed due to Gamma Emerald's rolestop); evolved; N3, ???; N4, ???; N5, ???; N6, ???; N7, as nobody died with them, fundamentally could not have acted.
Notes:
Was confirmed as town from
MathBlade
using a
Loyal Neighborize
on them N4.

SirCakez

Pokemon:
Solrock
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Wonder Room
Role:
Neighbor-Vigilante with
PookyTheMagicalBear

Actions:
N1, Vigged
Gypyx
.
Notes:
Was confirmed as town from
Firebringer
using a
Loyal Neighborize
on him N1.

Thestatusquo/DKKoba

Pokemon:
Phanpy->Donphan
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Sturdy->Earthquake
Role:
Bulletproof->Nonconsecutive Delayed modified-Rolestopper which is a form of Roleblocker (targets a player; anyone targeting that player that night is roleblocked the following night)
Actions:
N1, evolved. N2, self-targeted (this failed due to me, mastina, rolestopping them); N3, could not act; N4, targeted MathBlade (this failed due to Gamma Emerald rolestopping them); N5, couldn't act; N6, protected SirCakez; N7, couldn't act.
Notes:
I'M SORRY.

SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade

Pokemon:
Lotad->Lombre->Ludicolo
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Mega Drain->1x Dragon Dance
Role:
???->modified 1-Shot Universal Backup (chooses who to back up the role of)->1-shot Loyal Neighborizer (targets a player, forms a neighborhood with them; action fails if targeting scum)
Actions:
N4, neighborized
successfully
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
, conftowning them.
Notes:
Was confirmed as town from
Truth Innuendos Lies
investigating him N2 and receiving this result N3.

Sharing the Braincell/ssbm_Kyouko

Pokemon:
Azurill
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Attract
Role:
Lovedizer (target takes one more vote to eliminate)
Actions:
N1, ???; was nightkilled.
Notes:
(None)

Firebringer

Pokemon:
Rayquaza
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Dragon Dance
Role:
1-shot Loyal Neighborizer (once in game, targets a player, forms a neighborhood with them; action fails if targeting scum)
Actions:
N1, neighborized
successfully
SirCakez
, conftowning him.
Notes:
(None)


mastina

Pokemon:
Sudowoodo
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Mimic
Role:
Reflexive Role-copier (the first player to target me, I get a one-shot copy of their move/role)->One-shot rolestopper
Actions:
N1, received a rolestop (later revealed to be Gamma Emerald's); N2, rolestopped DKKoba.
Notes:
Well I know I'm town but objectively I've technically only got circumstantial evidence clearing me between my interactions with scum, scum's interactions with me, the unlikelihood of scum having both my role and Gypyx's, and that I am out of my scum range, but *shrug*, SOME fucks still don't see me as town so make of it what you will.

Milobird

Pokemon:
Meditite->Medichan
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Detect(only???)->???
Role:
2-shot nerfed/ORIGINAL-Motion Detector (also known as a weak-voyeur, not weak-modifier, but literally
weakened
-voyeur; may be getting an official NRG-rebranded-name soon) / Activated Bulletproof->(eventually clarified to be 2-shot) Flavor Cop / Rolecop (depending on target's evolutionary status); checks what someone evolves into and if they’ve evolved/can still.
Actions:
N1, immunity, triggering evolution. N2, targeted Wisdom (result: two evolutions, one neighborizer one follower). N3, targeted Malakittens (result; evolved). N4, targeted STD (result, STD is a 2-evolution pokemon; received this result due to mod error). Couldn't act after (and technically shouldn't have been able to N4).
Notes:
Obvtown by play, but not conftown.

Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear

Pokemon:
Lunatone
Move
(Role Flavor)
:
Wonder Room
Role:
Neighbor-Vigilante with
SirCakez

Actions:
N1, Vigged
Gypyx
.
Notes:
(I have things to say here, I'm just not saying them yet)

(this may still have errors in it, sorry, making this is a pain in the ass to keep accurate, but I tried my best)
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Post Post #6376 (ISO) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:45 pm

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Spoiler: D1 VCs
In post 680, May and Brendan wrote:
VC1.02
Firebringer
(1):
Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear
Save The Dragons
(5):
Thestatusquo/DKKoba
,
Sharing the Brain Cell/ssbm_kyouko
,
Woolax
,
chowchow
,
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade

Milobird (3):
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
,
imaginality
,
Save The Dragons

Sharing the Brain Cell/ssbm_kyouko
(6):
SirCakez
,
Firebringer
,
WhemeStar
,
Wisdom
,
Gypyx
,
Truth Innuendos Lies

Truth Innuendos Lies
(1):
Dwlee99

WhemeStar
(1):
Milobird
SirCakez
(1):
mastina
Not Voting:
T3
,
Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald
,
The Goat/Titus
In post 868, May and Brendan wrote:
VC1.03
Save The Dragons
(4):
Thestatusquo/DKKoba
,
Sharing the Brain Cell/ssbm_kyouko
,
Woolax
,
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade

Milobird (2):
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
,
Save The Dragons

Sharing the Brain Cell/ssbm_kyouko
(7):
SirCakez
,
WhemeStar
,
Wisdom
,
Gypyx
,
Truth Innuendos Lies
,
Dwlee99
,
T3

Gypyx
(6):
Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald
, Milobird,
Firebringer
, Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear,
imaginality
,
chowchow

SirCakez
(1):
mastina
Not Voting:
The Goat/Titus
In post 1144, May and Brendan wrote:
VC1.04
Gypyx
(7):
Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald
, Milobird, Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear,
imaginality
,
chowchow
,
WhemeStar
,
Sharing the Brain Cell/ssbm_kyouko

Sharing the Brain Cell/ssbm_kyouko
(4):
Wisdom
,
Gypyx
,
T3
,
Firebringer

Save The Dragons
(2):
Woolax
,
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade

Milobird (2):
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
,
Save The Dragons

Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald
(2):
SirCakez
,
Dwlee99

Firebringer
(1):
Thestatusquo/DKKoba

SirCakez
(1):
mastina
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
(1):
Truth Innuendos Lies

Not Voting:
The Goat/Titus
In post 1442, May and Brendan wrote:
VC1.05
ssbm_kyouko
(5):
Wisdom
,
Gypyx
,
T3
,
Firebringer
,
Dwlee99

Gypyx
(4):
Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald
, Milobird, Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear,
WhemeStar

Save The Dragons
(2):
Woolax
,
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade

Woolax
(2):
Truth Innuendos Lies
,
Save The Dragons

Milobird (1):
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

Wisdom
(1):
ssbm_kyouko

Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald
(1):
SirCakez

Firebringer
(1):
Thestatusquo/DKKoba

SirCakez
(1):
mastina
mastina (1:)
imaginality

Not Voting:
The Goat/Titus
,
chowchow
In post 1501, May and Brendan wrote:
VC1.06
Gypyx
(4):
Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald
, Milobird, Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear,
WhemeStar

Woolax
(4):
Truth Innuendos Lies
,
Save The Dragons
,
ssbm_kyouko
,
Wisdom

ssbm_kyouko
(3):
Gypyx
,
T3
,
Firebringer

Milobird (1):
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

Alexandrite/Gamma Emerald
(1):
SirCakez

Firebringer
(1):
Thestatusquo/DKKoba

SirCakez
(1):
mastina
mastina (1:)
imaginality

Save The Dragons
(1):
Woolax

Not Voting:
The Goat/Titus
,
chowchow
,
Dwlee99
,
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
In post 1863, May and Brendan wrote:
VC1.FINAL
Woolax
(11) HAMMER:
Truth Innuendos Lies
,
ssbm_kyouko
,
Wisdom
,
Firebringer
,
chowchow
,
imaginality
,
Save The Dragons
,
SirCakez
,
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
,
Gamma Emerald
,
WhemeStar

Gypyx
(2):
Milobird, Ralts/PookyTheMagicalBear
Gamma Emerald
(2):
T3
,
Gypyx

SirCakez
(1):
mastina
Save The Dragons
(1):
Woolax

Wisdom
(1):
DkKoba

Not Voting:
The Goat/Titus
,
Dwlee99
,
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens


Spoiler: D2 VCs
In post 2267, May and Brendan wrote:
VC 2.01
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
(5):
Firebringer
,
SirCakez
, PookyTheMagicalBear,
WhemeStar
,
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

PookyTheMagicalBear (3):
T3
,
Dwlee99
,
Save The Dragons

Wisdom
(1):
DkKoba

WhemeStar
(1):
Milobird
SirCakez
(1):
mastina
T3
(1):
Gamma Emerald

Dwlee99
(1):
Wisdom

Not Voting:
imaginality
,
Titus
,
chowchow
,
Truth Innuendos Lies
,
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
In post 2406, May and Brendan wrote:
VC 2.02
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
(7):
Firebringer
,
SirCakez
, PookyTheMagicalBear,
WhemeStar
,
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
,
Wisdom
,
Dwlee99

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):
T3
,
Save The Dragons

Wisdom
(2):
DkKoba
, Milobird
Titus
(1):
imaginality

SirCakez
(1):
mastina
T3
(1):
Gamma Emerald

Not Voting:
imaginality
,
Titus
,
chowchow
,
Truth Innuendos Lies
,
SleepyKrew/Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
In post 2694, May and Brendan wrote:
VC 2.03
Wisdom
(3):
DkKoba
, Milobird,
Gamma Emerald

T3
(3):
WhemeStar
,
Truth Innuendos Lies
,
SirCakez

Dwlee99
(3):
Wisdom
,
Firebringer
, PookyTheMagicalBear
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
(2):
Dwlee99
,
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):
T3
,
Save The Dragons

Titus
(1):
imaginality

SirCakez
(1):
mastina
Not Voting:
Titus
,
chowchow
,
Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
In post 2919, May and Brendan wrote:
VC 2.04
Dwlee99
(4):
Wisdom
,
Firebringer
, PookyTheMagicalBear,
WhemeStar

Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
(3):
DkKoba
, mastina,
Titus

Wisdom
(2):
Milobird,
Gamma Emerald

T3
(2):
SirCakez
,
Truth Innuendos Lies

Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
(2):
Dwlee99
,
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):
T3
,
Save The Dragons

Titus
(1):
imaginality

Not Voting:
chowchow
,
Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
In post 3091, May and Brendan wrote:
VC 2.05
Dwlee99
(2):
Firebringer
,
WhemeStar

imaginality
(1):
Titus

Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
(1):
DkKoba

Wisdom
(2):
Milobird,
Gamma Emerald

T3
(6):
SirCakez
,
Truth Innuendos Lies
, PookyTheMagicalBear,
Wisdom
,
imaginality
, mastina
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
(2):
Dwlee99
,
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):
T3
,
Save The Dragons

Not Voting:
chowchow
,
Valkyrie Dimension/Critter/MathBlade
In post 3178, May and Brendan wrote:
VC 2.06
T3
(7):
SirCakez
, PookyTheMagicalBear,
Wisdom
,
imaginality
, mastina,
Critter/MathBlade
,
Truth Innuendos Lies

Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
(2):
Dwlee99
,
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):
T3
,
Save The Dragons

Wisdom
(2):
Milobird,
Gamma Emerald

Dwlee99
(2):
Firebringer
,
WhemeStar

imaginality
(1):
Titus

Critter/MathBlade
(1):
DkKoba

Not Voting:
chowchow
In post 3395, May and Brendan wrote:
VC 2.07
T3
(10): (HAMMER)
SirCakez
, PookyTheMagicalBear,
Wisdom
,
imaginality
, mastina,
Dwlee99
,
chowchow
,
Truth Innuendos Lies
, Milobird
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens
(1):
Kitty Trauma Team/Malakittens

PookyTheMagicalBear (1):
T3

Wisdom
(1):
Gamma Emerald

Dwlee99
(3):
Firebringer
,
WhemeStar
,
DkKoba

imaginality
(1):
Titus

Not Voting:
Save The Dragons
,
Critter/MathBlade

In post 4292, May and Brendan wrote:
VC 4.01
Wisdom
(2):
Malakittens
,
Titus

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):
mastina,
Wisdom

Milobird (1):
DkKoba

Not Voting:
Milobird,
Save The Dragons
,
imaginality
,
Gamma Emerald
,
WhemeStar
,
chowchow
,
Truth Innuendos Lies
, PookyTheMagicalBear,
SirCakez
,
MathBlade
In post 4551, May and Brendan wrote:
VC 4.FINAL
imaginality
(8) HAMMER:
SirCakez
,
Wisdom
,
Titus
, PookyTheMagicalBear,
Truth Innuendos Lies
, mastina,
chowchow
,
imaginality

Wisdom
(1):
Malakittens

chowchow
(1):
DkKoba

Not Voting:
Save The Dragons
,
Gamma Emerald
,
WhemeStar
,
MathBlade
, Milobird
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Post Post #6377 (ISO) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:46 pm

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(yes I am aware Milobird and Pooky have posted a shitload and that I owe y'all a few walls)
(I'm working on it)
(I just saw the chance for a convenient pagetop grab of some updated info)
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Post Post #6378 (ISO) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:20 pm

Post by mastina »

In post 5961, Milobird wrote:Notty wants Mastina,
In post 5962, Milobird wrote:Notty thinks Mastina's role fits another scum player's role. Rather it compliments it. He'll have to explain it himself.
Notty can fuck off when it comes to this.
Role-wise I'm not going to say it's
impossible
for my role to be scum. It's definitely
possible
.
Creating a backup of a town role could be fairly strong if the town role is one scum could use.
But more than that, scum using one of their abilities on me could turn me into a 1x backup of their role.
Now, granted--there's a really damn confusing interaction that basically makes no sense if it were real, and that's Gypyx's role with my role.
In post 1869, May and Brendan wrote:
MIRROR MOVE:
The user uses a move from the field.
◓ Once at night you may use one of your living or dead teammates move.
◓ If their move has a gated amount of uses, you will use one of their shots.
◓ You may not use a move that's uses have been depleted.
◓ You may not use one of your teammates moves the same night they are using the same move.
◓ When taking a passive move, your teammate loses any of its effects for the night of use.
If my role is real, how would Gypyx's interaction work with my role? Using my role would consume my shot, but using my role would be targeting me. Yet Gypyx can't get a copy of a move that's depleted. My role is a passive role, too, so it's a move that is simultaneously used every night, and yet no night. How would my role be classified in relationship to Gypyx's?

And then, even if I am targeted by someone and copy their move, would Mirror Move allow Gypyx to basically steal that move even though it wasn't technically my move? It's a move I copied, not a move I originally had.

These are interactions that the mod could have answers for, and if I was scum, there would be answers for them--but these are things that never got asked/addressed/etc. because there was no need...thanks to me not being scum with Gypyx.

Now, granted. You
could
argue that either scum were just so apathetic/detached/out of the game that they didn't notice, or that they did and the answers are in the scum PT and nobody shared them due to them being from the scum PT, but those add extra layers to require me to be scum, and doesn't cover the far more basic problem;

My role would be redundant with Gypyx's as Gypyx's is a better version of my role. My role requires me to be targeted by the scum player to create the copy of the move. Gypyx's can be done without being targeted and can be done even if the scum player in question is dead.

But there's more to it than that.
In post 6057, mastina wrote:
In post 5967, Milobird wrote:what do you think of Mastina using self-meta, I.e., they aren't very blame gamey as scum compared to as town mid game. Because they don't want to offend town and get exasperation voted?
Like, how likely is it that scum them makes that argument? It really doesn't feel very implausible to me. I would make similar arguments if I were pushed as scum. Or at least I think I would. If my scum game didn't suck.
I am not you. I am mastina. I operate by my own principles, rules, standards, thought processes, etc. The way I think, though not standard, is very well documented, and frankly?

Notty should remember the LAST time that I was accused of faking rage.
(Hint: I wasn't. Double hint: I was town. Triple hint, it technically wasn't the latest time I've raged as town, but it IS among the most infamous times I've raged as town. There's damn good reason that I am saying notty can fuck off, because notty SHOULD know fucking better.)
This is a search of all the games I've played in the Micro, Mini Theme, and Large Theme forums.

The last time I was accused of faking rage was in this game. (As a reminder: I
ate a ban
from that game--not fake. Also not scum. I was town.) It is not actually the game that notty would be familiar with.
Honorable mention: MBOS 4 I ate a warning. Not a ban but also not fake. And also not scum; I was town. I don't expect notty to be familiar with it tho.

I was also accused of faking rage in this game as well. I was town. But that's not the game notty should know I don't fucking fake rage from.

The most infamous example of me being accused of raging as scum?

Tales of You.

I refuse to believe that notty has forgotten one of the most infamous fucking games of all time. It's literally one of THE most iconic (in many bad ways) mafia games OF ALL TIME.

Did notty erase the memory of the town's incompetence that notty contributed to by eliminating the players with the highest read accuracy, myself included, that game?

Because I sure as fuck remember it.

The rage very much was there.

And very much was real.

And very much from town.

The closest I've ever gotten to raging as scum I'm pretty sure was Anything (fucking) Goes, and that was entirely different in tone, nature, etc. and largely with the help of my hydra buddy who was doing the VAST majority of the posting that game. Like, maybe 5% of the hydra's posts were mine? But it was mostly Katsuki.

Do you know what the biggest tell on my bloody flowchart is? The tell that is, above all tells, the tell that has the
absolute highest accuracy rate
of ANY of the items on the flowchart listed here?

It's quite literally, scumastina cannot rage, but town mastina can and does, to a dangerous, I-never-know-if-I-might-eat-a-game-ban levels of vitriol.
the flowchart wrote:she insults people more as town (increasing the strength of related towntells), and she rages more as town (increasing the strength of that towntell)
I've explained the reasons for this across multiple games. I can track it down both as scum and town and in Mafia Discussion, but it's more than just my philosophy on playing scum involves "don't make enemies. You need the town to like you, because push come to shove if the choices are to eliminate a player people like versus eliminate a player people have issues with, they'll usually take the latter". It's more than that being the optimal play. It's more than just thinking that scum need to manipulate the town into being their allies, rather than antagonize them and make them enemies.

While that's all true, there's a bigger reason I cannot rage as scum.

Fuck theory.

I can subvert theory all I want.

The reason I can't rage as scum is because
I fundamentally cannot think that way as scum
.
How can I be angry at the town being correct on me?

I can, and do, get mad at players being "Right, For the Wrong Reasons".
It'd take some time to find, but I can track down being angry at players being right in their read but wrong in the reason and me being scum in that game.
Because that's genuine anger at a very real cause: an attack on the very principles I operate on.

For instance, saying I'd lie about real life circumstances to gain an advantage as scum (which people have done to me) is tantamount to outright accusing me of cheating, of lying, of being a rl scumbag, of going against the very things I stand for as a person and a player. It is questioning my integrity as an individual, it is doubting my principles and accusing me of being in violation of them.

Because I have VERY strong principles I operate on. These are not trust tells because they apply regardless of alignment. These are things that I fundamentally operate on as beyond just being a player, but being a person. A core aspect of my character. I have my own set of rules and regulations and principles. They largely align with the site, but I have some rules the site does not. (And at times, have violated rules that aren't violations to me but which the site considers to be.)

That
I can do.

But being accused of being scum for reasons that I know are more right than wrong or outright correct?

I literally
cannot
manage to be angry at that. After all--it's an accusation I know is right. It's an accusation that I see where they're coming from, know why they are seeing it, and while it can be frustrating that they are right, they're still RIGHT, I KNOW they're right, and
cannot
get angry at them.

I also cannot really get mad at the town for mislimming a townread of mine when I am scum--unless said town goes on to violate my principles, at least. Showing disrespect to the dead, blaming the dead exclusively and saying it's entirely their fault, etc. Things like that, I can get mad at the town for because it's genuinely honestly fucking disgusting.

But if the town
isn't
violating my principles with a mislim.

I can't get angry at it.

Because, again, as scum, I am genuinely more in the mindset of, "Girls Giggles Genocide". (Again, don't expect any living player to get that reference, but Gamma Emerald should.)
Which is, to say: I laugh my ass off as scum.

I might loathe drawing scum, but I still have a blast in it. I HATE being scum, but I still make the most out of being scum by basically hamming it up and loving the grandiose nature of having all the info and watching the town eat itself alive because they don't. Like the Among Us players the term originates from, as scum, I love playing the part of the villain, watching the town accuse each other, and laughing at the events going on with my extra knowledge.

So how can I get angry at the town furthering my own wincon? Town eliminating town is literally helping me.

I fundamentally
cannot
be genuinely angry, nor can I fake rage.



But I can go even further in showing why I am not scum.


If I am scum, there's two optimal usages of my role.
1: Not announcing it at all, and then having a scumbuddy silently target me with an ability to make me a backup of the scum with that ability, so that it catches the town off-guard.
2: Announcing it deliberately, and then avoiding having scum target me at all, hoping to pick up a useful town ability.

Neither strategy is necessarily more optimal than the other, but the two above are mutually exclusive. If you do one, you cannot do the other and have it be optimal; mixing the two is literally the
worst
thing you can do.

That said, option #1 is imo slightly stronger and more optimal.

You can argue that, me being mastina, I opted for option #2. I either didn't think of option #1 until after the fact, or considered option #2 to be better for towncred.

But then that runs into a problem: Dwlee targeted me N1.

Mixing town and scum targeting me is the exact worst possible combo, because it means I don't get a guaranteed copy of the scum role and the scum role that
should
be used elsewhere is being wasted on me instead of on others. Especially with certain town/scum role combos.

At this stage, for me to be scum, you need a lot of Coulds already to add up:
I COULD be a redundant scum role, when Gypyx's is a better version of mine.
I COULD have a role that has the really weird interactions with Gypyx's role while on the same team as Gypyx.
I COULD have the answers to these interactions in the scum PT and/or I COULD have been apathetic enough to have never asked about the interaction (in spite of it being mandatory for the mod, unless you want to argue that the mod COULD have not thought about the interaction and thus needed to improvise).
I COULD have not realized the optimal strategy was not claiming and/or I COULD have decided that the second strategy was overall more worth it.
I COULD have then had my entire scumteam not realize mixing the two strategies is the worst possible idea and that we needed to commit to one or the other and not mix-and-match. It COULD happen, in spite of the scumteam having imaginality (mechanics-focused), Gypyx (not a slouch on mechanics), me (very good at mechanics), and Woolax (decent at mechanics).

But then we get into D1.

I COULD have had an abnormal readslist for scumastina. (I have more to say about that, it was something I half-wrote but am probably going to save for a different post on a different day due to how much time this is taking and my tiredness levels.)
I COULD have had no scum north of null at all, and soft-distanced from the scum.
In post 1573, mastina wrote:
In post 1466, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: woolax
For the record: I support the Woolax wagon and am incredibly tempted to vote there as I think the slot is scum.

But I kinda just wanna keep my vanity vote on SirCakez right now just as a statement that, no, I'm not joking with my scumread there; yes, I am serious; yes I think he is scum; yes I want to eliminate him.

But while that's all true, Woolax is also probably just scum so isn't a bad vote. In fact is explicitly a good vote that I support.

If the Woolax wagon were to die down in fact, I WOULD switch my vote there just to make sure it DIDN'T because I don't think the Woolax wagon SHOULD die down, I legit think that the Woolax wagon is probably the best wagon we can get today.

I'm just being stubborn and feel like my vote is best used elsewhere right now. :P
I COULD make this post as scum, as a way of distancing on Woolax without committing to the bus on them.
I should note however that while it'd take me time to locate, I've made this post in many many towngames of mine but absolutely ZERO scumgames of mine.
I COULD have this as my first scumgame where I used this tactic.
In post 3469, mastina wrote:
In post 3465, Truth Innuendos Lies wrote:Mastina vote Dwelee, thanks.
How about we
don't
vote the player who I think is so conftown that if someone claimed a guilty on them I'd vote the person claiming the guilty?

Dwlee's my strongest townread.
I COULD make this post as scum to hard-commit to defending my scumbuddy, in spite of the guilty on them.
I COULD make this statement as scum in spite of it being
another
statement I've said in multiple towngames (again, could track down, but would take some time) yet never have said in any scumgame ever.
I COULD genuinely try to save my scumbuddy there.
I COULD have set up the interactions where I fake soft-picking up on Dwlee's role/actions.
I COULD fake not knowing that Dwlee wasn't the role I got, and/or genuinely make the mistake of not realizing it wasn't Dwlee's action I got.
I COULD retract my defense of Dwlee and hard-commit to the bus after it was clear that Dwlee was in fact guilty.
I COULD have pushed imaginality before there was pressure on imaginality.
I COULD have pushed imaginality on POE instead of more damning aspects.
I COULD have pushed imaginality on the Pooky push from him, instead of the shit roleclaim.
I COULD have faked not noticing his roleclaim. Or I COULD have genuinely not noticed it.
I COULD have then, after seeing things, not tried to save imaginality and backed up the town eliminating there.

And there's another thing:
In post 2089, mastina wrote:Callout:
What the fuck, guys.

Unless the mods failed to notify me (I did ask them about this to be sure), literally nobody targeted me? Like. I literally TOLD y'all that I can duplicate a power if targeted by it. But as far as I can tell, literally nobody did.

Y'all are Dragon Tails / Circle Throwers / Whirlwinds in reverse. (I hope the intended meaning comes through.) I wasn't lying about my role so I do mean it; you SHOULD be targeting me if you have a strong role.
(That said, I suppose it's possible Gypyx targeted me and his role prevents me from using my role but oh well, only the mods know.)
I COULD have genuinely not received the info as scum that I should have received, but more than that, check out the bolded.
Story time: I was skimming the flips. I wasn't on my phone but I think that I was in a rush?

I actually thought Gypyx had flipped town at first.

I initially read Gypyx's flip as being a member of the town.

I didn't realize that Gypyx was a member of Team Rocket, so I read his role and I thought he was town with it when I made this post.

No, seriously.

Nobody noticed this the entire game apparently. I was expecting with us being down to one scum or so for someone to look at this and go "did mastina scumslip here by mentioning Gypyx interacting with her role when Gypyx was scum and his role couldn't interact with town?". But actually it's the opposite; I genuinely townslipped here hard by having initially misread Gypyx's flip as being town. I was confused when people mentioned Gypyx being a good Vig because I legit initially thought that Gypyx was a town modified UB, and it wasn't until some time later that I went back to reread and realized I had misread and that Gypyx was scum, not town, as I had initially mistakenly thought.

So I COULD be scum who is bullshitting this townslip.
I COULD be scum who genuinely scumslipped there.

And beyond that.

I COULD have executed on my "when everyone looks town, SOMEONE needs to not be town" philosophy--but I will say that I've had dozens of towngames where I have pushed that philosophy and pushed eliminations based off of it (including on big town players like Battle Mage and Lady Lambdadelta--probably most infamously, Team Mafia 2021 this year had me espousing this philosophy on D1)...
...And I've never once pushed for an elimination based off of that philosophy as scum.
"But wait, mastina...didn't you use it in Chrono Trigger?"
Well, actually--no. I didn't. I
outlined
my philosophy there. I laid out the actual methods I use as town--but if you read the game, I didn't push anyone using that philosophy. I MENTIONED the philosophy. I OUTLINED the philosophy. To this day, that game is actually probably the best explanation of what boils down to "everyone looks town, but SOMEONE needs to not be, so treat it appropriately and doubt all the town" basically. But while I
explained
the philosophy, I never
used
it that game.

This game COULD be the first scumgame that I did so.

And that's aside from the additional things I've gone into since then.
I COULD have had an insane boost in my postcount compared to my normal scumgame.
I COULD have phoneposted at work in spite of the fact that I never have done so as scum before.
I COULD have somehow faked rage. (Well no, not really, I really can't.)

I COULD have magically somehow upped the quality of my scumgame, to have it be higher than even peak scumastina performance levels, in spite of the fact that I've been in a scum slump for literally three years.

And this is probably not even all of the COULDs.

I've probably got more things that I could point out that are town-me and not scumastina, which add to the list of COULDs.

But how many COULDs does it take you before you begin to realize that any theory with me as scum is a violation of Occam's Razor never before seen in its absurdity? (Well aside from maybe the absurd accusations of me being scum in games like the two Jingle games because those were equally horseshit Occam's Razor violations.)

One or two COULDs could be true.

But how many COULDs does it take before the 'could' becomes 'basically impossible'? I counted ~30-35 COULDs added up in the above.

So how many COULDs does it take to clear me from being scum?
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Post Post #6379 (ISO) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:40 pm

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Oh something I meant to include in but didn't remember to is a basic explanation for why I don't phonepost as scum.
I was going to do detailed explanation in the post but since I've focus elsewhere now I'll boil it down to the essentials:
1: On a phone, I can't both check the game thread and check the scum PT. I'm forced to choose between one and the other. This causes obvious problems, especially paired with...
2: On a phone, whenever I read logged in, I lose my place on the 'latest post' button (the orange button) that I click. (The first unread post link does the same thing.) This is doubly true for
posting
on the phone--because the site recognizes your submitted post as you catching up on the entirety of the thread, it's easy to lose your place.
3: The two compound to mean that if I
did
try to do both, the constant switch would make me lose my place too easily and cause too many delays--given I only have half an hour
at most
when phoneposting, every. second. counts.
4: scumastina is methodical in what she says. Phoneposting doesn't allow for being methodical, ESPECIALLY not with phone glitches. If I have PERFECT efficiency I MIGHT be able to say what I want, but being logged off and losing everything I just wrote, inserting random letters in random spots, deleting random letters in random spots, etc., are all issues I've had with phoneposting for years and they break the methodology scumastina likes to employ.
5: And why go through that effort in the first place? Why bother doing the work? I don't care about my scumgames these days but even when
I did I didn't phonepost, because not only the above, but also:
Being at work is the perfect excuse to
not
contribute.
Nobody (except for utter assholes) expects you to post in a mafia game while you're at work, so that gives scumastina the perfect excuse to slack off.
Or rather, to read offline, and plan what to post when she gets home. Maybe even pre-write a post on paper to type up when she gets home from work.

Phoneposting is actively detrimental to scumastina's style and is not worth the time/effort especially when she doesn't need to and frankly, doesn't care to.

But, with that out of the way:
In post 5960, Milobird wrote:Pooky and Mastina need to cross vote.
Respectfully, no.

If I was
sure
that it was Pooky, then Titus's desire to have a no lim be damned, I'd be voting Pooky here.

But one of the reasons I am so enticed by sheeping Titus's no-lim here (even if SirCakez does bite the bullet) is specifically because I am
not
sure.

I don't really see how SirCakez could be scum but his death to remove any/all paranoia would be helpful.

And if not? If he doesn't die?

Then I die instead of him, in which case: thank fucking god, I don't have to actually solve the damn game. (I should say that I'm pretty sure my 3p lylo record as town is flawless with me always winning when town, but it's stressful as fuck and I really don't like to actually be forced to. I usually prefer to just either be nightkilled or for the scum to 1v1 me--the latter's not happening this game so my only shot at washing my hands of responsibility is the former.)

And just waiting out the timer gives time for the conftown, both SirCakez AND Titus, to solve, not to mention, gives ME time to put the work in.

While I
lean
towards it being Pooky, I don't
know
it's Pooky here, and I DO want to put in the work that I have a basically unlimited amount of time to do. I have, what, almost four weeks' worth of time total?

By now I've wasted at least a week of that time so it's closer to two weeks at most, and slacking off is something I always have issues with because I am a notorious procrastinator. Still, tho, while I'll never do everything I
want
to do, I still have the chance to do
more
by running the clock out as long as possible.

So I'd prefer to take my time, here.

I
do
have more to say RE: Pooky, but I'm too tired to actually post it now.

I'll post this much tho.

Pooky will be very miffed that I'm saying I lean towards him being scum and am not saying why but I'm sorry Pooky, I WILL explain my reasons for leaning towards you being the scum when able to and give you the chance to properly address them talk them out etc. as these reasons aren't a lock case, they're explicitly things that add up to a
lean
. Lean's like...less than 60%. (As in, if 50/50 was dead even, a lean is 59% or less, as in, 51-59%, but not 60+%.)

I just am...well, pretty damn tired right now, can't do it right now + we have the time so you can wait for the explanation even if you're annoyed at the suspicion.
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Post Post #6380 (ISO) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:15 pm

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In post 6372, Milobird wrote:So, are you saying I was right twice.

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I am saying your "solve" is a performative joke
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Post Post #6381 (ISO) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:18 pm

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that is certainly unfortunate mastina :3
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Post Post #6382 (ISO) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:19 pm

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It would however not be surprising hehe ;)
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Post Post #6383 (ISO) » Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:12 am

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I still think a no kill is the safest option.

If you're truly overwhelmed Cakey, you can just bold your theory and go no elimination.
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Post Post #6384 (ISO) » Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:30 am

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No kill does nothing here
Why would I want to just let myself die
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Post Post #6385 (ISO) » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:01 pm

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In post 984, Milobird wrote:Pretty confident mastina is just scum here.
In post 985, Dwlee99 wrote:Meta meta meta meta
In post 986, Dwlee99 wrote:Mastina could be scum cause she thinks I'm town
In post 987, Milobird wrote:
In post 986, Dwlee99 wrote:Mastina could be scum cause she thinks I'm town
Oh? Is that a read you’ve developed across multiple games?

Is that… meta?
In post 988, Dwlee99 wrote:Nope
In post 990, Gypyx wrote:
In post 867, SirCakez wrote:What's your point
If I was scum emulating it then why would I even bring it up
because you think that's how town you would act?

i think i'm kinda not finding anymore stuff that's really readable without twisting my brain through 10 layers of interpretation so like, i'll drop the convo there if you're fine with it
In post 991, Gypyx wrote:second paragraph was about the back and forth with cake obv
In post 993, Gypyx wrote:
In post 872, The Goat wrote:Gypyx posted something early on that felt scummy, but I’m going to do a reread. Hyperskimming 35 pages didn’t give me much.
btw got any updates on that "something"?
In post 1001, SirCakez wrote:
In post 990, Gypyx wrote:
In post 867, SirCakez wrote:What's your point
If I was scum emulating it then why would I even bring it up
because you think that's how town you would act?

i think i'm kinda not finding anymore stuff that's really readable without twisting my brain through 10 layers of interpretation so like, i'll drop the convo there if you're fine with it
okay

yeah mastina being absent is ugly
stirred my brain on that topic
In post 1005, Gypyx wrote:
In post 1001, SirCakez wrote:
In post 990, Gypyx wrote:
In post 867, SirCakez wrote:What's your point
If I was scum emulating it then why would I even bring it up
because you think that's how town you would act?

i think i'm kinda not finding anymore stuff that's really readable without twisting my brain through 10 layers of interpretation so like, i'll drop the convo there if you're fine with it
okay

yeah mastina being absent is ugly
stirred my brain on that topic
isn't mastina always low activity though

pedit : stop pediting you chuckleheads
In post 1042, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1041, Firebringer wrote:So ur reading T3 as town for doing things that scum are likely going to be seen as suspicious to scum players, dwlee
No, I'm explaining why I agree with t3. I think t3 is town here for thinking the same exact thing about shea's way of reading people here
In post 1043, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1040, Thestatusquo wrote:My reads are motivation based
I disagree though. You're assigning motivation to things that you can't reasonably
know
the motivation of
In post 1051, Firebringer wrote:Dwlee has moved up a pokebox
In post 1059, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 238, Thestatusquo wrote:ok but given that its RVS and all wagons are going to be dumb why did you make that callout like you did? Further to the point, what did you hope to accomplish by calling it out like you did?

It seems to me that as someone who has been playing since 2004 you would know that frequently wagons start in RVS for basically no reason, are dumb, and then from the ashes of those wagons people actually start having more relevant opinions and that's how we move from noise to signal.

So like, what does town you hope to accomplish in this instance from specifically saying "x wagon is dumb."

Like, yes it is, that's the point. And I know you know this.
To discuss a specific example here, shea, I didn't take this reason for STD being scum seriously because I think your concept of assigning motivations is flawed here. You argue that town!STD shouldn't have much motivation to make that post which sure
maybe
, but that doesn't actually imply that scum!STD DOES have the motivation to make that post imo. I think that reading based on intent is 100% the way to go normally but I just don't agree with how you are assigning these intents which is why I made the analogy to vote hopping that people typically think is scummy
In post 1067, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1061, Thestatusquo wrote:I actually explained why I thought there was potential scum motivation for doing that in another post in pretty great detail tbh so like maybe read the rest of the posts.
And I disagreed with that. The main thing I remember is that you think it's so STD can look like they're participating when they're not actually doing much but STD already had a bunch of posts in the thread. Like as scum they could just as easily have not made that post or made it. If STD was lurking around, made that post, then dipped sure but he wasn't, he was around.

Being at a computer really makes me say words better maybe I should do this more often
In post 1068, Kitty Trauma Team wrote:
In post 1064, Milobird wrote:What do you think of my points about braincell being somewhat unfiltered for scum?
I dunno, you say unfiltered, I'd call them more transparent than anything. I think the posts follow a logical progression in thought process. I'm not paying a ton of attention lately but I don't get the wagon on this slot.

I read emotion better than anyone on the site, and it was kinda surprising to see them replace out at that point they did. I'd never townread a slot for replacing out, god knows. But I do like the posts when they were playing. And the frustration at being read for "tone" rings genuine, if a bit premature frustration-wise. If I made my guess, i'd assume this user has been run up the flagpole before for tone.

I'd lean town on this slot.

-k
In post 1075, Milobird wrote:Fire will become more readable with flips on the table, but a read on TIL would be nice.

Sorry about your mom :/
In post 1077, Milobird wrote:If anything, thoughts on the BrainCell and Gypyx wagons would be great skrew.
In post 1080, Ralts wrote:I want a picture :o
In post 1081, Milobird wrote:The folks on psyduck and friends need to get off and make better votes.

-Bell
In post 1082, Milobird wrote:
In post 1078, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1075, Milobird wrote:Fire will become more readable with flips on the table
i don't think this statement has ever been true
I would like to second this.

-Bell
In post 1083, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1059, Dwlee99 wrote:I just don't agree with how you are assigning these intents
In post 1086, Milobird wrote:Okay, but why are you choosing to argue over this instead of something game relevant.
Shea is correct mid-game is not usually the best time for genuine mafia play feedback.

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In post 1088, Thestatusquo wrote:I'm vibing with that bell post quite a bit. And i know where my conclusion does on the scale of balance of potential motivation.
In post 1090, Milobird wrote:I have a lot of scum reads this game.

Thankfully Sircakez is easy to read today. I will be mad if he is scum this game.
and the ducks.
and maybe ralts.

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*snore*
Gyphx may or may not have the answer and revealed it by saying Mastina is just usually low activity. But it's hard when she wasn't really there at this point in the game. But even though she isn't there, other scum players are mentioning her. The scum teams approach to Mastina is a light touch. Bu I don't really see anything that screams partner yet. Unlike Imaginality and Dwlee. Though Sircakez felt it was evidence to the contrary, I don't agree, but aight.

Dwlee takes refuge in game criticism rather than fake hunting. I point this out. Shea looks there as well. I don't have the guts to do this with a partner. But eh. Dwlee takes what Notty says about Mastina and explicitly addresses it, but doesn't do anything with it. But he's open to the possibility. It reads *slightly* more like opportunism than "yeah, look, I'm saying this because way down the line you'll see this as anti-associative because I didn't defend her or ignore this" but only slightly.
Ralts decides to ask for a picture than post anything else.

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Notty comes in and defends Brain cell.
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In post 1105, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1086, Milobird wrote:Okay, but why are you choosing to argue over this instead of something game relevant.
Shea is correct mid-game is not usually the best time for genuine mafia play feedback.

-Bell
This is a silly question if you read what I was responding to in the first place
You're silly.
In post 1110, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1108, imaginality wrote:
In post 1107, WhemeStar wrote:As the person who started brain celll wagon I like the gypyx wagon more
Why?
I find the gypyx wagon to be made up of townier people
Imaginality interested in how Wheme found the right answer, maybe. Or they're just faking it.
In post 1111, mastina wrote:
In post 830, Kitty Trauma Team wrote:I can't read Mastina for shit on day one, just gonna call her town
I do have a flowchart for that, yaknow. :P
In post 838, Gypyx wrote:edit while reading further : yeah okay saw your answer to ralts, not a huge fan of admitting that you yourself are scummy but like i don't know how to play mafia so idk
I wasn't saying I was scummy, I was saying that I was aware that I was displaying the trait I'd expect that scum displayed but also acknowledging that I know it wouldn't be
only
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In post 846, imaginality wrote:I don't like Gypyx and Ralts jumping on mastina's comment about the people who see TSQ v STD as TvT being more likely scum than not.
I mean on the one hand I do think Gypyx's comment absolutely sucks.

On the other hand the Gypyx wagon gives off terrible vibes and feels like it fucking sucks, with scum latching onto it.

When I'm in a better mindset (hella tired right now, just reading to stay caught up, not really capable of good critical thinking), will be able to give that better thought.
In post 868, May and Brendan wrote:
Not Voting:
The Goat, mastina
MOD:
In post 339, mastina wrote:VOTE: SirCakez
I've not changed my vote once in the game; I should be on SirCakez
.
In post 874, Thestatusquo wrote:Goats entrance feels off to me so far. Complains about pages (frequent scum tactic when they're behind and need to say something) makes vague comment about the largest wagon maybe being scummy (how would you know? Maybe because buddies are talking about it in pt?)
Valid, tho I'd like to also say SleepyKrew did fairly similar so I'd be willing to yeet either of them.
In post 1112, mastina wrote:
In post 919, Truth Innuendos Lies wrote:Mastina, are you going to be generally active this game?
Active? Mostly--I'm starting a new job tomorrow, and League Worlds 2021 is going on right now, both of which will cut into my activity a little, but I
should
be able to be here fairly often and be fairly active overall. (I'm close to my limit in gaming, but while fatigue is a risk, I'm not exceeding the limit.)

Contributing? Well, not
tonight
(not in the headspace for it), but we'll have to see. Hopefully, with luck, yes, but potentially will lack if I am struggling to get a good town core.

I have a good scum core I feel, but not a good town core, so I've got better than nothing but not as much as I want to have.
I skimmed some of that list. There is in fact a "is Mastina angry" section.
They also talk about Chaos and Order in their reads and then update their reads like 5 minutes later, so they're consistently avoiding their own tells. But they're their own tells for a reason so *WIFOM loop* Still it's good to know that they're *ultra aware of themselves, which I totally didn't know already. I also liked that they addressed TSQ's paranoia of a better scumstina that had died years ago.
In post 1114, mastina wrote:
In post 956, Save The Dragons wrote:the one time i've seen scum mastina she said the most random things i don't know if that's the case with scum!mastina but it's definitely different from my (admittedly only one) example
I mean to be fair.

The difference between you and Shea is that you have experienced recent scumastina, where I can't scum worth a damn.

Shea has experienced old scumastina, where I was at my prime and fully capable of actually playing scum.

The difference between current scumastina and the scumastina of when I was in my prime is just as night/day as the difference between my towngame and my scumgame in that prime-scumastina is nigh-indistinguishable from my towngame (not quite, obviously, even at my prime there were clear scumastina markers because different alignments wanted to do different things and used different methods but it was surface-level at least visibly very similar requiring nuance to distinguish) but current scumastina is obvious as fuck. :P

That having been said.

I don't think I'm actually out of my current-scumastina range, so the strong townreads on me are a bit baffling. Yeah, I'm town, so yeah, the reads are accurate, but how the fuck are people thinking that I'm not being my lazy apathetic scum self here? I've not power-towned yet (I'll get there obviously, eventually, but I'm not there
right now
), so I actually don't understand why I look town to folks. I AM town, but if *I* don't think I look town as town, if *I* don't think I'm out of my scumrange (and that says something when I'm talking about not being out of my
current
scumrange), chances are, I'm not actually out of my scumrange soooo...I don't understand the townreads there.
In post 964, Save The Dragons wrote:i think i downplayed the "randomness." she literally quoted random posts and was like "Town." "Scum?" "Town!" "scum." to them it was bizarre.
I've got some bad news for ya.

:P
My head hurts. I make posts like this early game sometimes, but not quite as overblown.
In post 1115, mastina wrote:[quote="In post 1091, Kitty Trauma Team"I suddenly have a million questions about her claim and how it would relate to being targeted by my own ability because I'd REALLY hate to have to be the one to NAR that
Well if you were the first/only person to target me, I'd get a copy of your ability.

Granted, I haven't asked about success vs. attempt in terms of targeting me, didn't think of it until now, will do that after submitting this post. The role PM says 'targeting', which implies it doesn't need to succeed in order for me to copy it, but not every mod is as fond of strictly adhering to semantics as I am so the wording of targeting in spite of implying success isn't needed, may still require success, so need to ask about that.
In post 1008, SirCakez wrote:I'm looking at the playerlist and honestly realizing I'd be forcing a read on like 75% of these players if I try to make a readslist
A lot of players are blending together While I empathize with this as it's true of me, too, I still think Cakez is scum here anyway.
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In post 1117, Ralts wrote:
In post 1004, SirCakez wrote:i'm actually about to dump a readslist
When's this mixtape gonna drop?
A dash of opportunistic pressure because they do not like the current wagon.
In post 1118, mastina wrote:
In post 1113, Wisdom wrote:Your good scum core is cakez crew and goat?
That's lackluster
That'd be lackluster if that was my scum core but thankfully it is not.
In post 758, mastina wrote:Milobird
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
Thestatusquo
Wisdom

Truth Innuendos Lies
Sharing the Brain Cell

WhemeStar
Kitty Trauma Team
Dwlee99
Ralts

Alexandrite
The Goat
Gypyx
chowchow
Woolax
SleepyKrew

imaginality

T3
SirCakez
Since then:
Kitty Trauma team has become more town.

Goat has become more scum;
Woolax is a little more scum;
SleepyKrew is more scum.

So my actual scum core is more like:

(locktown at least for D1)
Milobird
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
Thestatusquo
Wisdom

(almost locktown, is strongly town for D1)
Kitty Trauma Team
Sharing the Brain Cell
Truth Innuendos Lies

(various shades of ambivalence)
WhemeStar
Dwlee99
Ralts

(various shades of null)
Alexandrite
chowchow
Gypyx

(south of null by an undefined amount)
Woolax
imaginality
The Goat

(lean scum)
SleepyKrew

(lockscum)
T3
SirCakez

I realize that having only two lockscum isn't ideal and that my townreads aren't as sure as they should be, but I'm overall happy with having the scum
pool
be what it is;
{Woolax, imaginality, Goat, SleepyKrew, T3, SirCakez} is a group that I think should have at least 2 scum in it. Obviously, I'd hope for more, I'd think 2-4 in there total, but there should be a
minimum
of two scum in there.

I'm happy with a scum
pool
of six, with 2 of them being lockscum.

It's not where I'd
prefer
to be on D1, but I'm at least
content
with it.
In post 1120, Ralts wrote:Why is Firebringer lock town?
In post 1121, Ralts wrote:
In post 1111, mastina wrote:
On the other hand the Gypyx wagon gives off terrible vibes and feels like it fucking sucks, with scum latching onto it.


When I'm in a better mindset (hella tired right now, just reading to stay caught up, not really capable of good critical thinking), will be able to give that better thought.
This is an interesting callout; the only person you have south of null voting that is currently voting for Gypyx is imaginality vs. 3 who are voting for Brain Cell.
This could be Ralts lining up Mastina way down the line for a miselim. From an informed perspective a scum ralts knows that: All the dudes on the brain cell wagon, if it goes through, are gunna look bad. Actually this post of kind of bonkers and the perspective is weird. Who looks at what a player is reading each player as and comparing it to the wagons each player is on? It sort of screams informed.
In post 1122, Ralts wrote:
In post 1104, T3 wrote:liking kuri's posts, esp the part about sk
I had the same thought.
Sliding up to T3.
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Post Post #6387 (ISO) » Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:12 pm

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Mastina defends Gyphx because she does not like the wagon based off of vibes.
Ralts notes that she's only scum reading one dude on the Gyphx wagon, which is in direction contradiction to the "vibes" statement.

In retrospect, I'm not sure if this is informed from Ralts or if they just noted that hey, they're saying X, but Y contradicts that. They also expressed some interest in a Gyphx elim, so it makes sense for them to push Mastina here.
But the question is, why are they looking that many steps ahead. Are they confident that Gyphx is going to flip scum enough to analyze it to the point of noticing that contradiction or not? It's a lot of mental work. Would they articulate themselves that well? if they didn't like what Mastina said I could see them pushing mastina without a good reason for doing so. Or only hand waving it as town. I can't
I can't tell tbh. *throws up hands at this section*

I kind of think it could be either.

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Post Post #6388 (ISO) » Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:14 pm

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Something about the word choice from Ralts in 1121 bugs me a lot. But I can't put my beak on it.

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Post Post #6389 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:26 am

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lol

bell still "solving" while in a 1v1 at elo

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Post Post #6390 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:26 am

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its like he thinks if he posts enough times and quotes enough everyone will let him win
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Post Post #6391 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:28 am

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like he could've done all this fake solving on d5/6/7/8 but instead he's gotta wait till the last day when there's just him and me in a 1v1 and now he's gonna "solve"

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Post Post #6392 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:23 am

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How much time is left on this day phase?
I'm excited to see if Pooky decides to shoot me as a joke.
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Post Post #6393 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:28 am

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Did I already talk about how I don't care if we settle this now or later. But that I would like to state for the record that I don't think Firebringer would ever lie about the result and imaginality already flipped godfather so this isn't truly important.

I'm not going to sign my posts anymore, this is Bell. Deal with it.
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Post Post #6394 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:31 am

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Bruh I already used my one shot on your teammate. you're lucky I don't have a second bullet for you
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Post Post #6395 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:32 am

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which btw is kind of bullshit

whenever I play mafia i go up against odd night vig, 2 shot vig, unlimited vig etc

when i get a vig card its always one shot

thats just unfair.
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Post Post #6396 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:37 am

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Yes, Gyphx, my teammate.
How dare you.
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Post Post #6397 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:38 am

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In post 6396, Bell wrote:Yes, Gyphx, my teammate.
How dare you.
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Post Post #6398 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:41 am

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I believe I was horribly clear that I just didn't give a shit and was coasting and would start trying again as we got closer.
I made like 5 or 6 posts on it. So the argument that I'm only trying now is exactly what I said I was going to do repeatedly, so it's a terrible argument.
I'm a known coaster that doesn't try until the end of the game. So the argument is just kind of confusing.
I mean I'm not the worst coaster, by far. Some people even think my town game is pretty sufficient and don't even realize I'm not really trying or thinking seriously until end game.
But there you go.
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Post Post #6399 (ISO) » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:41 am

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My trajectory is clear as day. The argument is uninspired.
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