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[Milobird]

solving implies you don't know what the solution is

I am town

I know I am town because that's in my role PM.

I am in a 1v1 with you, the last possible mafia player remaining.

I do not need to pretend to "solve" and figure out who the baddie is.

I let Cakes do it himself because it's better to let people make up their own minds rather than have the ideas put into their head from someone who is self-interested.

Cakes can't trust a solve coming from me because from his point of view it's possible that I am scum giving him a fake narrative and trying to influence him.

Cakes doing it himself gives him the ability to look at your iso objectively without my commentary possibly influencing him.

I've killed you 6 times now.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

solving and casing are different things

[Milobird]

I'm just going to keep killing you.

*keyboard warrior WIM activate*

I have to hold unto the Sircakez wheel because they're actively biased towards us, have said so themselves, I'm invested in the outcome and want to win and I have faith that if I point out the truth Sircakez can see it. Yet another reason there is no reason he would be alive if we were scum. I would be actively making the game more difficult for myself. This is also an argument I made for Mastina town yesterday because *she* was making it actively harder on herself by weighing and posting stuff when she could have just let you lose the game for town.

If you have two people arguing for something, you hope that your judgment will allow you to figure out which one is telling the truth. Me pointing to Sircakez and trying to convince him to vote Pooky scum.

We've already gone over that your hope is that if you leave Sircakez alone while we continually badger him that he'll just slip on you and kill us out of sheer annoyance and exasperation. Something I hope he will not do because that would be a misplay.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you write a lot of words but they don't actually mean anything

you're basically just repeating "i am town" over and over again

which is kind of impressive because you got to day 10 with this shtick.

[Milobird]

It's still bad that Mastina is dead when mechanically cleared Sircakez is not. That the argument Pooky is making is one based on the possibility of Mastina reversing course when another player was actively annoying us with how dense they were being.
It's still bad that Pooky is saying that actually it was his plan all along not to help Sircakez solve. Or share his perspective to make it easier for him to solve.

Pooky is correct that, psychologically speaking a person that does their own work believes more in what their work is saying and people have a tendency to rebuff being told what to do.
This is true. But their work doesn't have to be right.
It suits Pooky that he let you reach the wrong conclusion yourself because you're more likely to believe your own farts than another player who has constructed golden farts that contain the truth for your perusal.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

20% of your posting today is some kind of logical fallacy

when you get called out on it, you just kind deflect/stop talking that specific line.

20% of your posting is AtE and trying to get Cakes to vote me

60% of your posting is just "I am town"

none of it is very convincing.

I feel like your plan is to just spam Cakes into not caring anymore so he just votes me? I guess that is a decent plan, might even work!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mechanically cleared Cakes versus Nobody suspected Mastina

they are literally the same thing.

If cakes died over night do either me or you really suspect Mastina when we were at each other's throats yesterday and we definitely want to kill each other?

Hell no.

You keep bringing up this mechanically cleared thing like it's something that actually MATTERS. It is not, that's clear for literally everyone to see.

[Milobird]

you write a lot of words but they don't actually mean anything

you're basically just repeating "i am town" over and over again

which is kind of impressive because you got to day 10 with this shtick.

Yeah, this isn't true. There's a fuck load of nuance, complexity and improvisation in my posts made in real time. Something incredibly difficult for scum me to pull off.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky is correct that, psychologically speaking a person that does their own work believes more in what their work is saying and people have a tendency to rebuff being told what to do.
This is true. But their work doesn't have to be right.
It suits Pooky that he let you reach the wrong conclusion yourself because you're more likely to believe your own farts than another player who has constructed golden farts that contain the truth for your perusal.

You are conveniently leaving out the fact that I have no way of knowing what conclusion Sir Cakes would reach.

You are pretending that I would somehow know that Sir Cakes would scumread you if he read your ISO himself, which is something I can't know because I'm not a psychic or a time traveler.

[Milobird]

20% of your posting today is some kind of logical fallacy

when you get called out on it, you just kind deflect/stop talking that specific line.

20% of your posting is AtE and trying to get Cakes to vote me

60% of your posting is just "I am town"

none of it is very convincing.

I feel like your plan is to just spam Cakes into not caring anymore so he just votes me? I guess that is a decent plan, might even work!

Nah, I responded to your posts and arguments. You saying I haven't doesn't mean it's true especially when the text of me responding to you is...
there for everyone to see?

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yeah, this isn't true. There's a fuck load of nuance, complexity and improvisation in my posts made in real time. Something incredibly difficult for scum me to pull off.

-Bell

yea it's real hard to repeatedly say

"I am town"
"there's no way I'm scum"
"kill pooky"


so much nuance

rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

20% of your posting today is some kind of logical fallacy

when you get called out on it, you just kind deflect/stop talking that specific line.

20% of your posting is AtE and trying to get Cakes to vote me

60% of your posting is just "I am town"

none of it is very convincing.

I feel like your plan is to just spam Cakes into not caring anymore so he just votes me? I guess that is a decent plan, might even work!

Nah, I responded to your posts and arguments. You saying I haven't doesn't mean it's true especially when the text of me responding to you is...
there for everyone to see?

-Bell

I didn't say you didn't respond.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

kill bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am never scum here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow so much nuance

i guess im conftown now

[Milobird]

Pooky is correct that, psychologically speaking a person that does their own work believes more in what their work is saying and people have a tendency to rebuff being told what to do.
This is true. But their work doesn't have to be right.
It suits Pooky that he let you reach the wrong conclusion yourself because you're more likely to believe your own farts than another player who has constructed golden farts that contain the truth for your perusal.

You are conveniently leaving out the fact that I have no way of knowing what conclusion Sir Cakes would reach.

You are pretending that I would somehow know that Sir Cakes would scumread you if he read your ISO himself, which is something I can't know because I'm not a psychic or a time traveler.

Um. Are you saying that you haven't been trying to Pocket Sircakez all game and don't have a clear trajectory of what Sircakez himself has said repeatedly in thread about where his initial impressions were, who he suspected (milo, milo, milo) and only after an avalanche of posts from me shifted even a tiny bit only to whip back like a rubber band at the first sign he could be right.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm saying I don't know what Sir Cakes would think if he opened up your iso and read it because I'm neither a psychic nor a time traveler.

[Milobird]

Sircakez was insufferable to us this game and continued to be insufferable and annoying all the way up to and including this day phase.
Your argument that we banked on Mastina changing her mind and so let Sircakez live instead is
W
I
L
D
and explicitly a scum you only argument.
-Bell

[Milobird]

I really shouldn't have to repeat this.

The argument Pooky is making for Sircakez being alive is a scum claim. I'm not even unaware of the psychology that Pooky is talking about and yet we still chose to let him live over Mastina.

-Bell

[Milobird]

He is in knots.
He is a contortionist.
He is a fun house mirror.

Search your feelings/reading comprehension, you know it to be true.

-Bell

[Milobird]

20% of your posting today is some kind of logical fallacy

when you get called out on it, you just kind deflect/stop talking that specific line.

20% of your posting is AtE and trying to get Cakes to vote me

60% of your posting is just "I am town"

none of it is very convincing.

I feel like your plan is to just spam Cakes into not caring anymore so he just votes me? I guess that is a decent plan, might even work!

Nah, I responded to your posts and arguments. You saying I haven't doesn't mean it's true especially when the text of me responding to you is...
there for everyone to see?

-Bell

I didn't say you didn't respond.

You said I deflected/stopped talking about the points you made when I had not. I stopped talking about them after I addressed them while also asserting my own view.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Sircakez was insufferable to us this game and continued to be insufferable and annoying all the way up to and including this day phase.
Your argument that we banked on Mastina changing her mind and so let Sircakez live instead is
W
I
L
D
and explicitly a scum you only argument.
-Bell

Ok what argument would town me be using instead then?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are saying this argument comes ONLY from scum pooky.

so what would town pooky be doing instead?

[Milobird]

I'm saying I don't know what Sir Cakes would think if he opened up your iso and read it because I'm neither a psychic nor a time traveler.

It's called predicting behavior based on a statistical model.
How many times has Sircakez called you town.
How many times has sircakez called us scum or said they suspected us?

You need not be a time traveler or psychic. You're using a rhetorical strategy to make the claim seem absurd, when the claim you're making is actually absurd. That you would need to be either a time traveler or a psychic to know that when you drop a stone on planet earth it falls.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm saying I don't know what Sir Cakes would think if he opened up your iso and read it because I'm neither a psychic nor a time traveler.

It's called predicting behavior based on a statistical model.
How many times has Sircakez called you town.
How many times has sircakez called us scum or said they suspected us?

You need not be a time traveler or psychic. You're using a rhetorical strategy to make the claim seem absurd, when the claim you're making is actually absurd. That you would need to be either a time traveler or a psychic to know that when you drop a stone on planet earth it falls.

-Bell

Imagine thinking Cakes scumreading you is the same thing as the law of gravity

w i l d