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Post Post #7175 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 2:59 pm

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I'm not defending the role or its design, I'm arguing what it does. And it is very clear on what it does.
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Post Post #7176 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 3:02 pm

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Vanilla cop doesn't even matter,

butterchurn brought it up in relation to parity cop, I argued that it was a bad comparison and it didn't work anyway.

And then people bring up the words vanilla cop randomly dozens of pages later when we're talking about parity cop

???

I don't care what you think vanilla cop does. You're wrong, objectively. It does what it says it does. If it does something different, that's because the mod decided it should work differently this game. Which he could have. Or more likely the role isn't even in the game and it doesn't matter
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Post Post #7177 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 3:03 pm

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So let's focus on what matters

Ydrasse didn't even know she could check me

How is anything I've done a "bad look" in regards to that?
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Post Post #7178 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 3:07 pm

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In post 7173, bnuuy wrote:I’m pretty sure implosion or someone said that the cop part of vanilla cop was a misnomer at one point.
I've pointed to the description of the role and not the name numerous times
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Post Post #7179 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 3:08 pm

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bnuuy, your next post must either acknowledge that I'm not talking about the name "Vanilla cop", or you must substantiate your argument and show me where I placed emphasis on the name "Vanilla cop" and how I used that in an argument
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Post Post #7180 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 3:12 pm

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Part of me feels like a players that's been here 6 years should know better and that he's being intentionally dense when arguing that a wolf goon shows as non-vanilla but then I think it's possible that he's just so like...laser-focused on "the wiki says this." that common sense doesn't apply.

I'm not really concerned about his role.

What's suspicious to me is that he did shit all till he got ran up and all his scum reads are the players pushing him. Maybe he's scum, maybe he's not. There's still alot of game left to play so we'll see where things go.
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Post Post #7181 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 3:58 pm

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I decided to actually ask the mod and I got an sorta ambiguous answer but I can say it’s possible for werewolf goon to appear vanilla to vanilla cop. Basically there’s a chance for “vanilla cop” and “vanilla seer” to be distinct roles, which I would guess each check whether a player has a role relating to the mafia or the werewolf side of the game. So I would expect goons to never appear different to those role but a Miller-type or Godfather-type probably would.
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Post Post #7182 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 4:00 pm

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Why does Vanilla cop matter?
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Post Post #7183 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 4:03 pm

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FYI part of this is just my being an academic and as such trying to debate/enlighten. So I’m kinda arguing for the sake of it here
I honestly don’t really know how vanilla cop matters except that someone brought it up earlier
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Post Post #7184 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 4:06 pm

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I'm tired, lets vote Malcolm and move on
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Post Post #7185 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 4:16 pm

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I think in future I will probably put forth that for normal games Vanilla Finder should be used rather than Vanilla Cop, and Vanilla Cop will instead work for the mafia flavor variants exclusively (and as such should be not-normal)
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Post Post #7186 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 5:34 pm

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So anyway, i asked mod.

1. About Parity Cop couldn't gwt answer due "I can't indirectly confirms which variant i could use"
2. Vanilla Cop receive Vanilla result from Werewolf Goon.
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Post Post #7187 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 5:45 pm

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bnuuy i think can be safely locktown at this point.
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Post Post #7188 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 5:46 pm

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In post 7186, Enchant wrote:So anyway, i asked mod.

1. About Parity Cop couldn't gwt answer due "I can't indirectly confirms which variant i could use"
2. Vanilla Cop receive Vanilla result from Werewolf Goon.
Same answer I got but I missed the answer because Mala picked up the PM.

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Post Post #7189 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 5:47 pm

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In post 7186, Enchant wrote:2. Vanilla Cop receive Vanilla result from Werewolf Goon.
but the wiki says vanilla cop gets a "non-vanilla" result. What a little liar you are! :lol:

Why does that make him town or why is he town?
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Post Post #7190 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 5:47 pm

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In post 7188, Nashville Dreams wrote:Same answer I got but I missed the answer because Mala picked up the PM.
what a fucking jerk!
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Post Post #7191 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 5:51 pm

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In post 7189, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 7186, Enchant wrote:2. Vanilla Cop receive Vanilla result from Werewolf Goon.
but the wiki says vanilla cop gets a "non-vanilla" result. What a little liar you are! :lol:

Why does that make him town or why is he town?
Well we received same answers, i think scum just don't care about this idiocy.
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Post Post #7192 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 5:56 pm

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I mean yeah, scum were prob just sitting back and laughing.
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Post Post #7193 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 5:58 pm

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Goddamn. I leave for an entire day and we're still fighting over roles, not reads?
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Post Post #7194 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 6:00 pm

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And did I even get the vote count I asked for?
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Post Post #7195 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 6:04 pm

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In post 7194, Sword of Ducks wrote:And did I even get the vote count I asked for?
People mostly argueing about lemoning Malcolm, you can join if you wish.
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Post Post #7196 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 6:10 pm

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votecount 2.12
MalcolmTucker (9) | Nero Cain, mastina, Save The Dragons, Klick, Nashville Dreams, MonkeyMan576, SCP 682, Ydrasse, tictac

Nashville Dreams (4) | butterchurn, Enchant, MegAzumarill, Cat Scratch Fever

Dunnstral (3) | cassowary, bnuuy, Flavor Leaf

Cat Scratch Fever (1) | Menalque
Ydrasse (1) | The Keeper
Menalque (1) | Sword of Ducks
cassowary (1) | MalcolmTucker
bnuuy (1) | Dunnstral

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Post Post #7197 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 6:18 pm

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well then, let's see where this gets us

UNVOTE: Menalque

VOTE: MacolmTucker
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Post Post #7198 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 6:19 pm

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Convince me MT is scum.
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Post Post #7199 (ISO) » Sun May 15, 2022 6:27 pm

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In post 7198, MegAzumarill wrote:Convince me MT is scum.
By this alone, you're the Malefactor.
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