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Post Post #8000 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 5:43 pm

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In post 7982, MathBlade wrote:I mean monk for clarity. The first time he did so?
It's a near given FL is in a monkery. SCP and StD vouch for it. They'd have to exactly be partners for the monkery not to be fake and it was claimed to be D1. That would also put us in the position with a confirmed real masonry (by deaths) and no monkery which makes zero sense.

If FL is scum at all, it's mafia.

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Post Post #8001 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 5:43 pm

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so well done defends Mastina d1 and you don't think its a possible S/S interaction?
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Post Post #8002 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 5:44 pm

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In post 8000, Nashville Dreams wrote:
In post 7982, MathBlade wrote:I mean monk for clarity. The first time he did so?
It's a near given FL is in a monkery. SCP and StD vouch for it. They'd have to exactly be partners for the monkery not to be fake and it was claimed to be D1. That would also put us in the position with a confirmed real masonry (by deaths) and no monkery which makes zero sense.

If FL is scum at all, it's mafia.

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I agree on this.

It’s more establishing what mafia knew and when.

My theory Dunn is mafia relies on FL being town and Mastina roleblocking me.
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Post Post #8003 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 5:46 pm

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In post 8002, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8000, Nashville Dreams wrote:
In post 7982, MathBlade wrote:I mean monk for clarity. The first time he did so?
It's a near given FL is in a monkery. SCP and StD vouch for it. They'd have to exactly be partners for the monkery not to be fake and it was claimed to be D1. That would also put us in the position with a confirmed real masonry (by deaths) and no monkery which makes zero sense.

If FL is scum at all, it's mafia.

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I agree on this.

It’s more establishing what mafia knew and when.

My theory Dunn is mafia relies on FL being town and Mastina roleblocking me.
Too much mechanics if a read depends on multiple other reads atm.

What's your cassoway read? Do you believe Klick can be town?

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Post Post #8004 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 5:48 pm

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VOTE: dunn
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Post Post #8005 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 5:49 pm

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In post 8003, Nashville Dreams wrote:
In post 8002, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8000, Nashville Dreams wrote:
In post 7982, MathBlade wrote:I mean monk for clarity. The first time he did so?
It's a near given FL is in a monkery. SCP and StD vouch for it. They'd have to exactly be partners for the monkery not to be fake and it was claimed to be D1. That would also put us in the position with a confirmed real masonry (by deaths) and no monkery which makes zero sense.

If FL is scum at all, it's mafia.

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I agree on this.

It’s more establishing what mafia knew and when.

My theory Dunn is mafia relies on FL being town and Mastina roleblocking me.
Too much mechanics if a read depends on multiple other reads atm.

What's your cassoway read? Do you believe Klick can be town?

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Cassowary didn’t come up as a major wagon.

Haven’t seen them post so they are null for me.

Yes, if Mastina roleblocked me it’s possible but highly unlikely. Dual gunsmiths is possible if mod wants to throw off meta but it’s more likely that Klick is some kind of scum.

I just think Dunn is even more unlikely.

And yes my reads are if them else always have been
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Post Post #8006 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 5:59 pm

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VOTE: Dunn

Sure I can roll with this. Not sure I go along with Math's theory but Dunn is an ok elimination.

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Post Post #8007 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:01 pm

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In post 7995, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7993, SCP 682 wrote:
In post 793, Well Done wrote:
In post 691, Save The Dragons wrote:i don't think it's likely that scum mastina claims beloved princess if she actually is a beloved princess

i also don't take any weight in true-claiming mastina because what if one day she decides to fuck with that maybe today is the day maybe there never will be a day but maybe it's today

i don't think mastina's scum i'm just grumpy this morning and trying to make a point
Most likely scenario is that beloved princess is mastina's actual role this game

Pushing mastina on day 1 is pretty anti-town. It's a 23 person game, we can't do anything better than risk hitting a claimed BP on day 1? Maybe somebody here is a vig and blasts them night 1 because they don't trust them.
is this scum/scum with mastina? i say likely no
I say yes.

Scum Well Done would know Mastina has partial BP

And odds of an N1 vig on Mastina are limited

If scum slow down cross kills they can ursurp control

So I would argue given Mastina’s role likely
Disagree. My plan was to Vig Mastina Night 1. fade Catboi Day 1.

She claimed Beloved Princess
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Post Post #8008 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:02 pm

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Do you think we should massclaim? most of the unclaimed are slots that most ppl suspect.
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Post Post #8009 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:04 pm

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In post 8008, Nero Cain wrote:Do you think we should massclaim? most of the unclaimed are slots that most ppl suspect.
I'd rather not claim at this time.

Also, are scum multitasking?

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Post Post #8010 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:07 pm

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Post Post #8011 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:13 pm

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In post 8009, Nashville Dreams wrote:
In post 8008, Nero Cain wrote:Do you think we should massclaim? most of the unclaimed are slots that most ppl suspect.
I'd rather not claim at this time.

Also, are scum multitasking?

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Post Post #8012 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:14 pm

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Titus weird question

Who shoots FL more mafia or wolves?
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Post Post #8013 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:15 pm

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Here's my thinking

If we suppose FL is town, then it's likely both scumteams ignored their shot N1.
N2 we should then have three kills: vig, mafia, and wolf. Flavor's kill is present and on mastina.
a) if mafia then shot butterchurn, then mastina's block target was likely wolf shooting someone. This creates a big FoS on Mathblade.
b) if wolves shot butterchurn, then mafia wouldn't block themselves. mafia then likely shot someone very popular.

If we suppose FL is mafia, then we should see a maximum of one kill. This is for the following reasons

a) FL flipped targets twice. While FL could be a mafia 1 shot vig in a monkery, that would be borderline bastard so I'm excluding it. Therefore, a kill on N3 for mafia cannot happen. FL is out of shots supposedly so that could not happen. The only kill that could happen N3 is a ww kill. If we see two shots tonight, FL is confirmed town.

Therefore, if mafia want to keep FL in the elimination pool, they have to no kill tonight in addition to no killing N1.

For now, it's best to assume FL is telling the truth.

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Post Post #8014 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:16 pm

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In post 8012, MathBlade wrote:Titus weird question

Who shoots FL more mafia or wolves?
Wolves and that seems pretty braindead. FL is practically confirmed not wolf. There's still a moonlogic argument he's mafia.
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Post Post #8015 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:17 pm

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In post 8013, Nashville Dreams wrote:Here's my thinking

If we suppose FL is town, then it's likely both scumteams ignored their shot N1.
N2 we should then have three kills: vig, mafia, and wolf. Flavor's kill is present and on mastina.
a) if mafia then shot butterchurn, then mastina's block target was likely wolf shooting someone. This creates a big FoS on Mathblade.
b) if wolves shot butterchurn, then mafia wouldn't block themselves. mafia then likely shot someone very popular.

If we suppose FL is mafia, then we should see a maximum of one kill. This is for the following reasons

a) FL flipped targets twice. While FL could be a mafia 1 shot vig in a monkery, that would be borderline bastard so I'm excluding it. Therefore, a kill on N3 for mafia cannot happen. FL is out of shots supposedly so that could not happen. The only kill that could happen N3 is a ww kill. If we see two shots tonight, FL is confirmed town.

Therefore, if mafia want to keep FL in the elimination pool, they have to no kill tonight in addition to no killing N1.

For now, it's best to assume FL is telling the truth.

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I can vibe this and I get the FoS

But keep in mind assume incorrectly I am scum I just never talk about my no result on Klick lol.
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Post Post #8016 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:18 pm

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In post 8014, Nashville Dreams wrote:
In post 8012, MathBlade wrote:Titus weird question

Who shoots FL more mafia or wolves?
Wolves and that seems pretty braindead. FL is practically confirmed not wolf. There's still a moonlogic argument he's mafia.
Thanks for indulging me

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Post Post #8017 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:48 pm

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In post 5178, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 10, Well Done wrote:We are Hirsute (werewolf miller)
In post 5177, Cephrir wrote:
Well Done is now Dunnstral.
For my iso because this game has a lot of replacements and is long.
I also don’t think two werewolf millers exist.

I also think two town werewolf millers is a stretch.

I think Dunn is mafia but if I am wrong it’s much more likely wolf than town.
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Post Post #8018 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 6:54 pm

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I don't think its impossible. I just find Dunn fairly scummy for not doing anything.
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Post Post #8020 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 7:20 pm

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Wait what. I posted when it was e-1 as last posts and now there's a pi Blade?!
Forums be weird yo.

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Post Post #8021 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 7:21 pm

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10 pages behind.... This is why I declared LA.
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Post Post #8022 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 7:28 pm

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In post 8020, The Keeper wrote:Wait what. I posted when it was e-1 as last posts and now there's a pi Blade?!
Forums be weird yo.

MB your slot is scummy as all heck to me, jsyk.
Noted faer.

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Post Post #8023 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 7:32 pm

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Post Post #8024 (ISO) » Mon May 23, 2022 8:41 pm

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In post 8022, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8020, The Keeper wrote:Wait what. I posted when it was e-1 as last posts and now there's a pi Blade?!
Forums be weird yo.

MB your slot is scummy as all heck to me, jsyk.
Noted faer.

I don’t mind the shade.

I am not religious but I will hope to bless town in unique ways you may not understand
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