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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 3:16 pm

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In post 105, Gammagooey wrote:Lukewarm you seem pretty gung-ho about this and it's at least a better wagon than Dats imo
You were voting Mueh before this... and why were you even voting her?
This is really weird.
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 3:16 pm

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In post 223, Kovu wrote:like, how does the exact moment people learn who I am, make anyone maf?
This is a pretty gross misrepresentation of what I said
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 3:25 pm

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In post 222, Dunnstral wrote:However, Kovu says they think they know Fey's identity in post 172, but they already thought that somebody in maf chat revealed their identity in post 164.
well you seemed to imply some exact moment was important
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 3:25 pm

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In post 224, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 164, Kovu wrote:A good part of me wants to call Luke town for not knowing who I am tbh, cause I know someone in maf chat has said who I am, it's not hard to figure out, but then I think about it, and Luke says he looked at my "1 game, and I didn't out reads there" ok sure, but I definitely outed myself that game, so like, you didn't see that happen? but you read it? interesting... idk, it's not a solid read I'd die on, but found it worth mentioning.
Why did you say this?
cause I was thinking Luke town, so I wanted to share? At least I'm outing my thoughts, like where's your reads?
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 3:27 pm

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Ok, I'm not gonna make a new post for every quote I want to respond to.
In post 121, fireisredsir wrote:i feel like im probably still townreading here but. paranoia noted.
I felt this too. +town to fire.
In post 124, Bell wrote:Their abrupt push feels wrong, but given history, it’s probably just eh.
wdym by this?
In post 130, takotsubo syndrome wrote:Which obviously has a chance to be skewed, but I'm ok with it for what it produced.
Doubt
In post 131, Val89 wrote:Apologises to those who dislike wall posts, but I not sure of the alternative here.
Can u summarize your points at the end?
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 3:36 pm

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I mean, why do you think the mafia team is discussing your identity? How did you get to that?
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 3:41 pm

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In post 230, Dunnstral wrote:I mean, why do you think the mafia team is discussing your identity? How did you get to that?
well I have reasons, and it’s also like, what maf team doesn’t share info like that, that they know? but it’s mostly reasons I can’t say, so like, yeah. what are your reads looking like?
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 3:44 pm

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In post 133, Datisi wrote:why is her vote different than any of the others?
Her intention was clear and she followed up on it after voting
In post 146, Datisi wrote:if i get bored reading your posts, i'll see that as a red flag because i don't easily get bored playing mafia.
ngl this seems like a lazy reason to scumread someone
In post 162, Meuh wrote:Also, Marci going against a scumread on me? That’s new. I was expecting her to scumread me by now
This scumpings a little. I'm just gonna put it here. I don't wanna get tunnel-vision either.
In post 166, Kovu wrote:What are your current reads looking like?
Town: Kovu, fire, fey
Scum: Mueh, tako
Confused: Bell
For your second question, I thought it unnatural to immediately jump in to a game quoting posts and stuff. Also, the reasons she was using were also very buzzword-y tbh. Third, yes pretty much it was that dunn could have been taking advantage to defend a town datisi. Just a theory.

VPB looks good too. Also, I noticed I haven't really read any posts regarding marcistar.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 3:54 pm

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Well...

I just figured out who Kovu is. That slot is going to be very transparent to read now that I decided to go search for who that was.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 4:07 pm

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In post 229, LavarManos wrote:Ok, I'm not gonna make a new post for every quote I want to respond to.
In post 121, fireisredsir wrote:i feel like im probably still townreading here but. paranoia noted.
I felt this too. +town to fire.
In post 124, Bell wrote:Their abrupt push feels wrong, but given history, it’s probably just eh.
wdym by this?
In post 130, takotsubo syndrome wrote:Which obviously has a chance to be skewed, but I'm ok with it for what it produced.
Doubt
In post 131, Val89 wrote:Apologises to those who dislike wall posts, but I not sure of the alternative here.
Can u summarize your points at the end?
I don't associate Lukewarm with early hard scum reads, but then they didn't really follow through.
That's good Takotsubo, I haven't played with Andante scum yet, but they're being just as confusing as usual.
Minus the giant reads list at the start. I have no idea why they did that.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 4:13 pm

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In post 230, Dunnstral wrote:I mean, why do you think the mafia team is discussing your identity? How did you get to that?
Andante thinks she is the center of all thought, which is maybe +town for her
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 4:57 pm

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In post 234, Bell wrote:
In post 229, LavarManos wrote:Ok, I'm not gonna make a new post for every quote I want to respond to.
In post 121, fireisredsir wrote:i feel like im probably still townreading here but. paranoia noted.
I felt this too. +town to fire.
In post 124, Bell wrote:Their abrupt push feels wrong, but given history, it’s probably just eh.
wdym by this?
In post 130, takotsubo syndrome wrote:Which obviously has a chance to be skewed, but I'm ok with it for what it produced.
Doubt
In post 131, Val89 wrote:Apologises to those who dislike wall posts, but I not sure of the alternative here.
Can u summarize your points at the end?
I don't associate Lukewarm with early hard scum reads, but then they didn't really follow through.
That's good Takotsubo, I haven't played with Andante scum yet, but they're being just as confusing as usual.
Minus the giant reads list at the start. I have no idea why they did that.
Personally, I will say I have played with both Andante-scum & Andante-town. My current feeling is saying that this lines up more with Andante-town.

I'm liking Luke trying to figure out and sorting Marci very early and calling out the differences in her play from the last time they hydra'd together. I don't know if Marci would 180 and be super transparent with holding an RVS vote as town and then placing one as scum as it looks too obvious?

Makes me want to softown read them both for it, but it just might be stupid logic i guess?
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Fri May 27, 2022 5:01 pm

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In post 179, Rhyme and Reason wrote:(Or copped, I guess, I think they're hard to read.)
That would be a legit waste of a cop shot.
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 4:34 am

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vague response to :

- you mean how saying "wow i don't know why you can't see what i see *eyeroll emoji*" is dismissive?

- because i have to specifically saying "i find this post scummy" in order for it to count because fuck context i guess. the bottom 3 quotes of you in are obviously there because i was bored and not because i was pointing out what from your play is scummy.

- i love how you're casually saying how i'm trying to outyell you or whatever before responding to me, that is a very townie thing to do. but to respond to your actual points: when have you ever scumread someone for voting someone that has been voted for before? that happens all the time in rvs, wagons are supposed to build in rvs to start getting information out of people. that's why i don't believe this to be a real thought, because that sequence of events happens all the time in rvs. and it's impossible for me to understand because your thoughts on my personality make no sense (:

-
In post 213, marcistar wrote:what i was trying to do, was say i don't agree and have an ACTUAL DISCUSSION with you but guess not!!
really.
Spoiler:
In post 148, marcistar wrote: I do not really like datisis reads!!
i dont think fey seemed scummy, i like what she posted so far she looks like shes trying to solve :angry:
i dont think gammagooey is "slight town", i dont think the posts theyve made is really like super helpful yet.
his read on me is :sob: i think datisis like the devil rn since hes not really trying to make me see the light of things (if im wrong), and instead hes just saying its scummy. i think hes trying to shut me down because its easy and he doesnt want his haters around.. it seems like more hes trying to convince everyone else instead of trying to collaborate with me...
i also *shocker here* dont agree with meuh feeling off yet, i think she hasnt done much alignment indicative yet and i think ur hating on her for her basic personality :(
i dont really agree with sircakez being slightly townie either..

if anyone can convincingly explain to me how ANY of this post makes it seem like marci was looking for a discussion with me about my reads as opposed to flinging more shit at me, i'm townlocking that person for the first 2 days.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 4:35 am

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VOTE: bell

for the record, marci is still my strongest scumread but i'm getting tired of this argument and i wanna start solving elsewhere

@baltar, give me your hottest take on this game, stat
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 6:01 am

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In post 239, Datisi wrote:@baltar, give me your hottest take on this game, stat
hottest take is probably you could be scum here.

Second hottest (with absolute zero reasoning beyond GUT) is there's one scum in gorilla/gamma.


Mostly though, I think marci doesn't look great and that's about as LHF take as one can get right now.



On the town side, my takes right now are that fire, Dunn and Val are all town.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 6:02 am

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In post 194, VP Baltar wrote:As to reading you as being irrational...uh, this is like every town game you have with me where you scum read me for nonsense, and then turn it around on similar nonsense. Like, the reason you're suspicious of Luke doesn't make much sense at all to me, but you do you son. It's exactly the type of paranoid without basis reasoning I have seen you direct at me before when you're town, so that's why I think it's probably +town points. I don't know if that mode of thought would really be easily fakeable as town because it is so off the wall.
idk it just kiiiinda sounds to me like you want to find me as town here and are trying to come up with a reason why. maybe im being not very generous here, idk. but im not really sure if the reason makes sense given previous reasons you've had
In post 229, LavarManos wrote:
In post 121, fireisredsir wrote:i feel like im probably still townreading here but. paranoia noted.
I felt this too. +town to fire.
can you explain the thought process you had? like put in your own words what you felt and why what i said resonated with that
In post 230, Dunnstral wrote:I mean, why do you think the mafia team is discussing your identity? How did you get to that?
this seems like a weird point to pick on? like do you think this would mean anything for their alignment and if so why? idk why it would be more likely for them to post that thought if they were maf even if you don't think the thought process is logical to you

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- oof i don't like anything cakez has posted. esp , like i disagree with almost every point made here. and the last time i remember that happening it was scum. and from what i read of his past play in large themes what he's done so far feels a lot closer to how he struggled to get footing as scum

- like dwlee's posting so far. prob one of my stronger townreads atm

- bell is... hm. not seeming super towny to me. but i think that if he's town then eventually he will seem super towny so im not v interested in pushing there yet. i don't think pressure will do a whole lot

- not very happy with the lack of... forward-facing content from takotsubo? idk how to phrase that. game-advancing? it all just seems kinda passive and responsive and like as a percentage of the words they've used, very little of it is used to put new alignment-relevant thoughts into the thread, or prompt anyone to make any further content. like occasionally they do have thoughts but nothing they've said really merits a response, and that feels floaty to me
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 6:05 am

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In post 240, VP Baltar wrote:hottest take is probably you could be scum here.
i've done nothing but shitpost, this is colder than room temperature

(though i'm assuming you framed it like that for SHOCK VALUE because you are responding to me, which like. meh. if you wanna jam about it ig)
In post 240, VP Baltar wrote:Second hottest (with absolute zero reasoning beyond GUT) is there's one scum in gorilla/gamma.
ik you said gut but can you articulate which posts gave you the gut
In post 240, VP Baltar wrote:On the town side, my takes right now are that fire, Dunn and Val are all town.
why dunn
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 6:20 am

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In post 241, fireisredsir wrote:idk it just kiiiinda sounds to me like you want to find me as town here and are trying to come up with a reason why. maybe im being not very generous here, idk. but im not really sure if the reason makes sense given previous reasons you've had
Bro, you gotta stop with this shit every game. It feels like groundhog day every time I'm in a game with you. Here is a good tell for you to know instantly if I'm town or not: if you scum read me for nonsense like not caring hard enough about post restrictions and not conforming to your view of what is a valid way to read people or ask questions, I'm definitely town. E.V.E.R.Y.G.A.M.E.
In post 242, Datisi wrote:
In post 240, VP Baltar wrote:hottest take is probably you could be scum here.
i've done nothing but shitpost, this is colder than room temperature

(though i'm assuming you framed it like that for SHOCK VALUE because you are responding to me, which like. meh. if you wanna jam about it ig)
In post 240, VP Baltar wrote:Second hottest (with absolute zero reasoning beyond GUT) is there's one scum in gorilla/gamma.
ik you said gut but can you articulate which posts gave you the gut
In post 240, VP Baltar wrote:On the town side, my takes right now are that fire, Dunn and Val are all town.
why dunn
I actually don't think you've been shit posting exactly. I understand you have a lot going on, so I don't even care about how much hunting you're doing. It's more your self-consciousness at your shitposting that bothers me. You brought up the "I'm being awkward thing", which I didn't even think you were being that awkward. I'm sort of concerned about you because I think town!Datisi would have seen that wagon on you was all fluff and wouldn't really even be concerned about it.

Then of course there is the fact that you brought up self meta that actually points toward you being scum. Question is, did you do that on accident? Or did you do it as town who doesn't care that it makes you look worse?


on Gamma/Gor - IDK, probably just paranoia at good players. I think gamma is being very nice and helpful and not really mixing it up with people yet, but it's also going into a holiday weekend and that game isn't really moving along. Gorilla is really just spidey sense. I might do some closer reading of them today to see if there is anything actually there.

Dunn townpings on the general way he is being proactive engaging with the game. He feels relaxed, and that's not my experience with scum!Dunn.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 6:28 am

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In post 208, Gammagooey wrote:
Enchant wrote:Hi, i forgot about this game.

I will not catchup so please tell me who to vote.
Enchant wrote:SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
There's less than 10 pages so far, do you want to die to invictus night 1?

b/c posts like this is how you wind up dying to a n1 invictus
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 6:31 am

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In post 243, VP Baltar wrote:Bro, you gotta stop with this shit every game. It feels like groundhog day every time I'm in a game with you. Here is a good tell for you to know instantly if I'm town or not: if you scum read me for nonsense like not caring hard enough about post restrictions and not conforming to your view of what is a valid way to read people or ask questions, I'm definitely town. E.V.E.R.Y.G.A.M.E.
ok but thats like actually not true at all bc the scum pings that i did correctly get on you in ktane were from:
1) townreading me for meh reasons in a way that felt pockety
2) playing in a way that runs directly counter to what your usual motivations are as town (in that case, setting up dueling wagons d1 for info purposes, which you didn't want to do bc i was one wagon and the second wagon was your partner)

and i kinda feel like those are the same core reasons im feeling here

but ok ill drop it for now w/e
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 6:33 am

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In post 243, VP Baltar wrote:I actually don't think you've been shit posting exactly. I understand you have a lot going on, so I don't even care about how much hunting you're doing. It's more your self-consciousness at your shitposting that bothers me. You brought up the "I'm being awkward thing", which I didn't even think you were being that awkward. I'm sort of concerned about you because I think town!Datisi would have seen that wagon on you was all fluff and wouldn't really even be concerned about it.

Then of course there is the fact that you brought up self meta that actually points toward you being scum. Question is, did you do that on accident? Or did you do it as town who doesn't care that it makes you look worse?
fine, but i am far from being in Serious Mode.

"I think town!Datisi would have seen that wagon on you was all fluff and wouldn't really even be concerned about it"

heh. well first of all. the only reason i brought it up was because other people (fey i think?) brought up how i'm *gasp* ignoring the wagon on me!! i'm ignoring the pressure!! if i were town, i'd be engaging with it!! so this feels like a damned if i do damned if i don't situation

and also if you think i'm ever not concerned about something then like. hi, datisi, nice to meet you.

i brought up self-meta because i did not think i was gonna get questioned on it and told to find examples. because i *know* how i feel early game as either alignment (that is, i despise the early game and often make shit up just to get out of it) and i thought saying that was gonna be enough. but then i got called on to actually cite my sources and lol.

have fun thinking about whether scum!datisi admits to having been exaggerating earlier in the game, i guess.
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 6:59 am

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datisi am i being unreasonable about vp here
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 7:07 am

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idk. i wish i could say i am well familiar with the dynamic between two of you, but, one game i was scum, one i was the mod, and the third one i was kinda not playing up to standard due to multiple reasons so...
In post 241, fireisredsir wrote:but im not really sure if the reason makes sense given previous reasons you've had
what are the "previous reasons" you're referring to here specifically?
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sat May 28, 2022 7:25 am

Post by fireisredsir »

In post 248, Datisi wrote:what are the "previous reasons" you're referring to here specifically?
in large normal 238, he scumread me mostly for pushing on him in a way that he deemed to be irrational, and then eventually townread me i think mostly for recognizing that yeet was softing and following along with it.

lake melancholy he mostly scumread me i think, initially due to me being boring but at times he would say i was making a ridiculous point about him and therefore i was scum (like, lol: viewtopic.php?p=13340840#p13340840). there were times when he expressed town pings but it was mostly due to like, lack of awkwardness, not making sense as a prism partner, and def not ever due to being irrational.

like idk maybe he saw that i was town in both of those and updated his reasonings for how to read me. i feel like my reasonings for how to read him have evolved as ive gotten more experience so maybe i should expect the same. i dunno something just felt a little off to me but i also don't really want to focus on it or spend forever arguing about it rn, there's other stuff to look at and ive been wrong before. just kinda wanted your take on it
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