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Post Post #11500  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:13 pm

In post 11495, Nashville Dreams wrote:VLA 48 hours

Here's the situation, we're both working.
Wolves and mafia get kills tonight if not limmed.
Limming wolves puts us in prisoners dillema. 4 1 1.
Nightkills can become 4 0 0
2 1 1 or 3 2.
Limming mafia puts us in 4 2. Which becomes 3 2.

Safer play is to eliminate mafia.
Mafia want a wolf limmed or town.
Wolves settle for town but want mafia.


This math doesn’t take into account the reads of the players, and who wouldn’t get night killed in the scenarios.

Klick never gets nightkilled here. Scum essentially have to go for each other.

Wolves absolutely never risk me being Mafia and winning this game. I am shot by Wolves 100% of the time.

MafiaNash shoots Menalque/TicTac here, MafiaMenalque shoots Nashville/TicTac here.

It is always a win if Sword and Freedom are town.
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Post Post #11501  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:16 pm

And you could say “what if scum don’t shoot there”

Then they risk the other scum killing them.

It just is a do or die for them, they are literally forced into it.

The only mishap is if Wolves don’t shoot me, and shoot the Mafia instead, which is even better because it’s an instant win without going to the next day phase.

It benefits both scum teams now to come after me here and play the night phase because any other situation ends in a town victory.
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Post Post #11502  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:20 pm

@Freedom/Sword - Would you sheep me on TicTac? As someone who cannot be a Wolf. I feel TicTac is 100% obviously a wolf.

Here’s the situation if I were Mafia here. I would obviously shoot Menalque thinking they are more likely the other wolf. Menalque would shoot me. Game over. Town win.

If Nashville was a wolf, I was Mafia. Nashville shoots me, I shoot Menalque. You all fade Nashville tomorrow. Game over. Town win.

Now I’m town, Menalque Wolf shoots me, NashvilleMafia shoots Menalque. Fade Nashville. Town win.

Nashville Wolf shoots me, Menalque shoots Nashville. Fade Menalque. Town win.

I’m every single scenario that is likely to happen, town win by fading TicTac.

Absolutely nobody shoots Sword, Klick, or Freedom here because it loses them the game/leaves up to hopeful chance.
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Post Post #11503  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:23 pm

I’m not gonna do the situations where we fade Menalque/Nashville, but essentially, it all works out the same.

People assuming Mafia miss here are scum. Full stop. Especially if you think that I would miss as Mafia.
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Post Post #11504  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:30 pm

actions sometimes speak louder than words

VOTE: tictac

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Post Post #11505  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:19 pm

votecount 7.1Menalque (1) | Flavor Leaf
tictac (1) | Sword of Ducks
Nashville Dreams (1) | tictac

Not Voting | Freedom, Klick, Nashville Dreams, Menalque

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Post Post #11506  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:24 pm

In post 11498, Flavor Leaf wrote:
@Sword - Freedom - do you two understand why Wolves always shoot me tonight if a Mafia is unflipped? Even if we flip ND and they flip Mafia, wolves shoot me over Klick.

Because you are a Monk and the Werewolves think that you are Mafia.

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Post Post #11507  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:27 pm

In post 11502, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Freedom/Sword - Would you sheep me on TicTac? As someone who cannot be a Wolf. I feel TicTac is 100% obviously a wolf.


Sure.
If it's between Mena, Nashville and tictac, I might as well vote for my highest read.
VOTE: tictac

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Post Post #11508  (ISO)  » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:18 pm

VOTE: TicTac

I think this always is a Wolf.
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Post Post #11509  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:21 am

I mean I do too really. But voting tictac today is literally just doing Mafia a favour. It does nothing to limit the pool of potential Mafia for Wolves to kill in.

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Post Post #11510  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:27 am

In post 11509, Klick wrote:I mean I do too really. But voting tictac today is literally just doing Mafia a favour. It does nothing to limit the pool of potential Mafia for Wolves to kill in.


how?

Menalque/Nashville as Mafia always would kill the other. If you think I'm Mafia, I would always kill Menalque.

Fading TicTac 100% ends in a town victory if scum Sword/Freedom are both town.
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Post Post #11511  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:08 am

In post 11509, Klick wrote:I mean I do too really. But voting tictac today is literally just doing Mafia a favour. It does nothing to limit the pool of potential Mafia for Wolves to kill in.

i did predict this was gonna happen, and u didn't think people would do that :lol:
leaf doesn't have enough NKs to both hunt wolfs and kill masons before 3p, so he needs this. and he is personable and i'm not.
s not the first or the last time that folks think using ones brain to come to actual conclusions is informed pow also.
still, one might think at least someone would have learned something when math flipped town joat, but i guess that's BOP.

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Post Post #11512  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:17 am

In post 11511, tictac wrote:personable and i'm not

i do wanna say, that is at somewhat deliberate on my part. pandering is just not a thing i enjoy at all, so i've not tried very hard to correct this flaw.
so don't feel too bad if it's a factor here, the fault is at least partially mine.

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Post Post #11513  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:31 am

Anyone else want to point out the reason why TicTac confirmed themselves as scum in that post
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Post Post #11514  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:22 am

In post 11513, Flavor Leaf wrote:Anyone else want to point out the reason why TicTac confirmed themselves as scum in that post

Go ahead.

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Post Post #11515  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:38 am

I don’t see who else is maf other than FL

Maaaaaaybe ND in a world where ducks is wolf?

But most likely to me is still FL maf, wolves tictac + ND with an outside chance of ducks instead of one of the others
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Post Post #11516  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:02 am

In post 11515, Menalque wrote:I don’t see who else is maf other than FL

Maaaaaaybe ND in a world where ducks is wolf?

But most likely to me is still FL maf, wolves tictac + ND with an outside chance of ducks instead of one of the others


So fade TicTac, and let me get shot by ND if that’s your solve.
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Post Post #11517  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:07 am

In post 11514, Freedom wrote:
In post 11513, Flavor Leaf wrote:Anyone else want to point out the reason why TicTac confirmed themselves as scum in that post

Go ahead.


They’re saying I need that by going after the Mason + Wolves, trying to imply I’m going after a town Mason, but going after a townie loses the game from a MafiaLeaf POV, so in that scenario I wouldn’t need just a Mason. I’d need a wolf.
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Post Post #11518  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:09 am

Idk why ur trying to convince me of anything when I’ve already said multiple times that I’m just here to sheep klick and give him my opinion if he asks
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Post Post #11519  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:09 am

Tomorrow, only 1 of Menalque, Nashville, FL make it to that day.

You fade in the 1 of them that live, and if Sword/Freedom both town, it’s a win.
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Post Post #11520  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:11 am

In post 11518, Menalque wrote:Idk why ur trying to convince me of anything when I’ve already said multiple times that I’m just here to sheep klick and give him my opinion if he asks


Trying to test your lack of action.

You’re not trying to sheep Klick, you’re trying to sheep Klick onto me, there’s a difference.
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Post Post #11521  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:13 am

Like I’ve literally been one of the harder pushes on 4/5 of the flipped scum here, should be near mech confirmed town, and still getting pushed as Mafia.

That is why I’m still trying to convince other people. Frankly, it’s extremely frustrating.
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Post Post #11522  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:14 am

And i know most of it just comes from scum, but it only takes 1 or 2 townies to believe it for scum to pull it off.
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Post Post #11523  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:20 am

In post 11521, Flavor Leaf wrote:Like I’ve literally been one of the harder pushes on 4/5 of the flipped scum here, should be near mech confirmed town, and still getting pushed as Mafia.

That is why I’m still trying to convince other people. Frankly, it’s extremely frustrating.


Where the only possibility of me being scum is a world where I shot my own scum partner right after losing another scum partner as a Monk.

I personally feel I’m handling my frustration extremely well considering the situation.
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Post Post #11524  (ISO)  » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:30 am

@Menalque - Explain your Sword and Freedom reads.

They have been my town reads since Day 1, and they're the two that just happen to be getting universally town read now?

So in your own words, I'd like to see why you town read both Sword and Freedom.
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