In post 3261, fireisredsir wrote:gamma makes the case that if there's a deepwolf it has to be me or kovu bc we're the only ones who have been townread enough through some combination of effort or bussing to qualify
Isn’t that what I said, not Gamma? I think you’re conflating whose post is whose
no? you both said it, and he said it first
In post 2611, Gammagooey wrote:@Meuh - Dunn Fey and a deepwolf - probably one of fire/Kovu, and if I had to say this instant I'd say Kovu. I know that people will think that opinion is garbo but I really think that one scum has likely been putting a ton of effort into the game and set themselves up to actually live through the ridiculous number of Invictus shots this game has, because otherwise you're just asking to get gunned down halfway through the game by random Invictus shots.
In post 3261, fireisredsir wrote:the logic is just straight up wrong, bc deepwolves are not always successful. they don't always get widely townread. the only thing that scum can control is the inputs that they put in. they can do the effort or the bussing, but sometimes they just don't get townread for it. that doesn't mean they aren't trying to be a deepwolf
I think we fundamentally view what a deepwolf is differently. To me there’s 3 factors that need to be met:
1. Be scum
2. Have high thread presence or otherwise put a lot of effort into the game
3. Be widely townread
To me what you describe as an “unsuccessful deepwolf” is just scum with high effort or thread presence. Being townread is a prerequisite to being a deepwolf, to me.
I think you’re also arguing from the perspective of “whoever the scumteam tries to use as a deepwolf is by default a deepwolf” while I define it from the perspective of a deepwolf being someone that actually practically fulfills a specific role in the game.
i think hunting for deepwolves using that criteria is a p useless way of looking at the game, then, bc scum can't actually control whether they get townread or not (they can try but they don't always succeed), so you're basing one of your criteria for scumhunting on something that scum can't control, which is ???
In post 3265, Meuh wrote:Remember when Kovu made a similar argument against me on day 4? Literally right before you voted for me? and I spent several posts replying to that specific point?
Quoted the posts in question for you
??? yes i am very aware of that
the point of that argument, from what i saw at least, was that you were lacking a consistent town thought process in how you viewed and interpreted posts. which was scummy
the point of this argument is not focusing on that aspect, exactly because it has already been gone over in detail, and instead focusing on the newer point that you and gamma are both using this argument to make the case that the other can't possibly be a deepwolf even though imo you each could qualify depending on your definition
maybe to you the two feel similar bc fypov you felt the previous argument was also relevant to your connection with gamma (and it would make sense that you would feel this way if you are actually scum with him), but to me at least they're pretty significantly different points
So looking at the VCs (thanks for the help team!) I want to say it's just meuh and fey/fire? like I'm not really sold on Gamma being dunn's partner, Fey never voted Dunn, and fire didn't till it was popular on d3?? idk.. but I want to say VCs = Gamma never being Dunn's partner... and this would be why meuh was all "yeah gamma is town!!" when we were talking...
VC 3.2, meuh looks like maf that hopped on for town cred as Dunn was about to go over, I just can't tell if that was also why fire hopped on... like meuh is sitting e-1 right now, and fire has been "convinced all game" that meuh was maf... so why not hammer? if my SR is e-1 I'd just yeet it... instead.. I'm not sure what's currently happening/what fire is trying to do
So Fey is either maf, or marci had 2 partners bus. Fire living in a PT with me, really didn't have the choice to not vote marci, so ehhh
but this is kinda interesting...
the only thing stopping me from flat out calling gamma lock town? marci's vote. I remember at the time I was like "for distance?" like, marci had a vote on gamma the entire day, for no reason really...
Nice. Fey and fire… I have been told Fey is never mafia here. And I have been pocketed by fire, I don’t think fire has had a single correct read… and last night fire was throwing out the idea of me being maf… I’m honestly inclined to think final maf is just fire, but want to double check something. But that’s where my head is at right now
i asked mena for more on the fey TR reasoning… I’m gonna have to really think, either tomorrow or tuesday I’ll throw a vote up though, I’m not dragging this out to just lose, so yeah, if yall have any final “it’s not me!” asap is the time to share why, cause there’s a large chance i’ll vote town, so woooo
On a lighter level/less emotional/etc, Rhyme's misread me before. But when I get... really upset like that, or go more into feelings sort of place, I don't think he's misread me simply because I don't get like that as mafia. I will pretend to be a defeatist and woe is me but he just knows me.
Here's a game that is pretty much exemplifies that. We were very annoyingly refusing to listen to anyone's doubt elsewhere. I disagree with how I played in that game now, granted, but it's a good example of why his townread was so strong, I think.
fey, I just skimmed your ISO… it’s uhh… not too great.. 971 was where I feel like you just went “yeah these names are town” which if you’re maf it’s true, and like idk.. I will not vote tonight, but this iso… wow…
and like I went back to my PT with fire.. as bad as some of it is, there’s a lot of really good stuff… aghhh
good luck tomorrow, hope you guys still pull it off
