Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Andresvmb]

^nuanced approach*

[Andresvmb]

Like if mastina had come out and asked fireisredsir to first confirm that their role doesn’t have any modifiers that would permanently interfere with actions on them, and they had said something like yes I can confirm I’m not [Miller / Ascetic], and then mastina had pushed and said well in that case either the Scum interfered with my action, were sitting on you with a Rolestopper, or you’re lying because… then I would be more inclined to believe it.

[Andresvmb]

But this over the top declaration that they have an investigative result that confirms that fireisredsir is Scum, to then produce a “No Result” outcome, just screams “gotcha” to me. And it also seems tailored somewhat to counter fireisredsir’s complete claim that they sat on mastina two nights in a row and didn’t see them act. Now, I know mastina would indeed have gotten a “No Result” PM if fireisredsir had been rolestopped, but do we know if fireisredsir would have seen them no act? I just want to see if we can rule out that form of interference (and reduce this to a Roleblocker). I haven’t looked it up, but wouldn’t fireisredsir have seen them act N2 (they technically did investigate a slot that was rolestopped, resulting in the No Result)?

[Andresvmb]

Like in the wiki for a Tracker (closest to what we have here I presume), fireisredsir should have seen mastina act if the target (fireisredsir themselves) was theoretically rolestopped. That’s my take. So that should rule it out. So we’re left with either one of them is lying, or mastina was RB’ed. I don’t have a decent sense for balance, to be honest, and this game already seems way too heavy on PRs for any sort of straightforward analysis, but I’m almost leaning towards mastina just being untruthful. One-Shot Cop is such a classic Scum claim too that it just bugs me.

[Andresvmb]

Like, from your POV right now, is Fire a mafia ascetic tracker? You're making multiple leaps of logic at the same time and I don't think you can feasibly jump that far

That or a mafia tracker with a separate scum rolestopper.

Like I think this almost for sure is wrong.

[Lukewarm]

If fireisredsir was rolestopped or is acetic, fire should have seen mastina act. ( fire being rolestopped or acetic is a scum!fire world)

If mastina was roleblocked, fire should Not have seen mastina act.

So the only requirement for both claims to co-exist and both be town is for mastina to be roleblocked.

[Andresvmb]

Like how does mastina conclude that the Scum don’t have strong Roles in one breath, but then claims that the Scum have a Rolestopper + Tracker that were both specifically aimed at deceiving mastina when we’re in a game with multiple PRs and a lot of uncertainty around who is doing what to who? It’s such a low probability scenario that the Scum planned to trick mastina by correctly guessing who they were going to investigate in the Team that I’m just baffled. Not only would they have had to plant the Tracker on mastina every Night, but also ensure that they correctly guess (1/3) who in the Team was going to get investigated by mastina, and use their Rolestopper on that player.

[Lukewarm]

Like, from your POV right now, is Fire a mafia ascetic tracker? You're making multiple leaps of logic at the same time and I don't think you can feasibly jump that far

That or a mafia tracker with a separate scum rolestopper.

Like I think this almost for sure is wrong.

Her ascetic tracker claim also has the built in assumption that he is lying about getting a No Action result on her.

[Andresvmb]

Like no fucking way. It screams bullshit to me.

[Andresvmb]

Perhaps mastina was RB’ed. Rolestopper requires fireisredsir just straight up lying to if a Scum flips Rolestopper, flip fireisredsir. But the way the conclusion was pushed out just screams nonsense to me and I don’t trust it one bit.

[Andresvmb]

^so if*

[Andresvmb]

I think almost by default PenguinPower is Town here btw. But I don’t have any detailed views of that slot.

[Andresvmb]

{Lukewarm, Malakittens} always Town here.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway I figured I would get those thoughts out before the end of today. I suppose we’ve sorted that out mechanically somewhat. I’ll put my vote back.

VOTE: Titus.

[Lukewarm]

Just to play devils advocate (because I personally believe that mastina was roleblocked even if fire is scum) all it takes for mastina's thing to be true is:

Fire is ascetic.
and
Scum tracked mastina to fire OR scum just trusted that mastina failed the moment she said she had a result on fire

When you cut out 95% of the words mastina used to world build around it, I don't think it is a completely wild world to believe in

It also follows through from her previously stated belief day 2 that scum would never have a roleblocker in this game, therefore her failing = ascetic.

[Andresvmb]

Hmm.

I was starting from the question of why she would ever claim mastina, saw she didnt at first, then went to "who was she planning to claim?"

But I guess another reasonable answer is that she intended to never say anyone.

So much wasted work x.x

If you read the post from Titus where they claim they’re a Masonizer, they also state that they don’t intend to reveal their Partner before saying that maybe you could figure it out through their posts. That post, together with all of the twists and turns of the claim after, just confirms they’re Scum to me, but yes also obliterates any notion that they were planning on revealing their target.

[Ydrasse]

i gotta get my master strategist scummy back with this one

[Andresvmb]

Just to play devils advocate (because I personally believe that mastina was roleblocked even if fire is scum) all it takes for mastina's thing to be true is:

Fire is ascetic.
and
Scum tracked mastina to fire OR scum just trusted that mastina failed the moment she said she had a result on fire

When you cut out 95% of the words mastina used to world build around it, I don't think it is a completely wild world to believe in

It also follows through from her previously stated belief day 2 that scum would never have a roleblocker in this game, therefore her failing = ascetic.

Yes but in this world, you have to conclude fireisredsir is Scum. Always. And by play, I’m not convinced that’s the case. If Fire is ascetic, they’re lying about their Role and Scum. If Scum tracked mastina to fire, fire is lying about the result of their action and Scum. Either way, your assumption is that they’re Scum regardless of what mastina did, and you need to back that up some other way without relying on mechanics.

[Lukewarm]

i gotta get my master strategist scummy back with this one

The heavy handed hinting at being a traffic analyst

Into your gotcha was a pretty amazing use of your role, ngl.

Much impressed

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Good luck.

[Datisi]

vote count 3.final

with 14 votes in play, it took 8 to make a decision. day 3 ended.

firing

Titus [8]:

Malakittens, Klick, Dannflor, Lukewarm, PenguinPower, Ydrasse, Andresvmb, Titus

[HAMMER]

fireisredsir [1]:

mastina

not voting [5]:

furtiveglance, Uncrowned, jjh927, Something_Smart, fireisredsir

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[Datisi]

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Datisi had just sat down in his office with his first cup of coffee of the day, when he heard commotion from the break room. his head still pounding from the unread messages on his phone and the lack of caffeine in this bloodstream, he tried to ignore it at first. it wasn't quieting down.

sighing, he put the cup down onto the desk and headed towards the break room. those forum mafia shitposts would have to wait.

the sight in the break room made Datisi wonder if he should've just stayed in bed that day. Ydrasse and Titus were yelling at each other, as were fireisredsir and mastina. most other employees were looking back and forth between the two arguing pairs. one person was even chanting "fight! fight! fight!" at both of them.

"alright, can anyone tell me what is--" Datisi tried to ask, but he got interrupted by an empty glass bottle flying at his face. unfortunately for the employees, he managed to duck in time.

the sound of glass breaking managed to catch their attention, at least. Datisi got back up to his feet, picking the glass shards out of his hair.

"okay," he said in a deadpan voice, "let's try that again. can anyone tell me--"

"you know what? fuck this job, the pay is shit anyway," Titus said, giving Datisi her ID card and leaving the room in a hurry, slamming the door behind her.

"...right," Datisi mumbled as he took his phone out to scan the ID. just as he guessed, an [ERROR] message appeared. "hah, y'all did something right for once. good job."

"thanks," said Ydrasse, "say, Datisi, about our own salaries--"

she did not manage to finish the sentence, as Datisi was already out the door.

[Datisi]

Titus has been fired day 3. she was a

private investigator

, aligned with

the inspectors

.

Spoiler: role pm

private investigator

welcome,

Titus

! you are a

private investigator

, aligned with

the inspectors

!

as the best private investigator in town, the inspection company was right to hire you. sucks that they're on a tight budget, though.

factional abilities:

you are a member of the inspectors, along with

|

[REDACTED]

|

. you may talk with your living teammates in the inspectors private topic, located

|

[REDACTED]

|

. you may talk there at any time as long as you are alive. once every night, a living member of the inspectors may submit a factional action of attempting to get a player fired.

night abilities:

3-shot rolecop

- during the night, target a player. assuming no interference with your action, you will receive a copy of that player's role pm, with possible redactions. you may only use this ability 3 times.

win condition:

you win once all threats to

the inspectors

have been fired, or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and at least one member of

the inspectors

is still in the game.

the main thread is here. please confirm by replying to this pm with your role name, or by posting in your pt.

the sun sets, it is now night 3. sunrise in (expired on 2022-10-01 16:30:00).

[Datisi]

now that the site is back, day 4 starts in (expired on 2022-10-04 00:00:00).

[Datisi]

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7:30am. the door of the café was locked, and Datisi was nowhere to be seen. if today hadn't been the first of the month - which was when you get your paycheck, though you were slowly starting to get suspicious of the fact Datisi would always only give you cash - you all would've gone home by now.

the silence was broken by notification sounds from your phones, all of them. a text by Datisi in the company group chat. well, the

other

company group chat.

"hey friends, sorry, uh... i forgot to pay the rent for the place. we can't use the café until it's covered, and i'm gonna need a few days to... completely ethically get some money from the government, so. take two days off, see ya then."

a collective groan was heard, you all got out of bed for nothing. one person started typing, soon sending another message into the group chat.

"we're getting our paycheck then, right?"

Datisi had already gone offline.

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it was finally time to go back to the café. a few employees enjoyed the time off, but most of them were kind of weird and thus were itching to go back to work.

the workers finally gathered in the break room, disappointed that there were no envelopes at the table. it didn't take long for Datisi to get there too; you wondered just how much he missed the place, as he looked like an addict going through withdrawal. he was gripping his coffee cup and scanning the room, silently counting the people present.

after taking way more time than one should have, he approached the table and put something on it. "Lukewarm's ID, all ripped up," he said in a monotone voice, "i found it this morning. i can see that everyone else is present, so... call me when you need me." with that, he turned around and approached the still-open door.

"hold on!" a few of the employees jumped up, "what about our paychecks?"

Datisi sighed, stopping for a second to look back at them. "they'll be in your lockers by the end of the day." and with that, he left the room.

the room quieted down for a few moments, with everyone lost in their own thoughts, before one of the employees already at their feet vaguely pointed at the door, a look of confusion on their face.

"hold on... Datisi has access to our lockers?"