Can I get some time to respond to people and have more interactions first? I haven't had much time to settle into the game yet.
I mean, you have time now? you have a PT with half us, do you want 6 more days of sitting here? how long are you wanting us to wait??
also lld popping in to literally just post whatever random thing every single time she's about to get a prod.... I don't even know what to make of it
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I'm currently responding to stuff and have been since replacing in. I'm asking to hold off on a hammer since I haven't even been here for 24 hours yet and I can only post on my breaks.
right, so that's why you're trying to fight Professor in the PT over his read on your slot... that helps get a better grasp of the game?
VOTE: Roden
Professor is the one trying to fight with me lol, I asked him to present his case on Penguin and I'll work with him from there.
In post 2945, Dwlee99 wrote:And I cannot even call it scum because math has done this kind of stuff as town before
I saw mention in the PT of him making some other argument that was ???
No I'm not engaging with that
fam, I'm with you on the math argument... where he went on and on and on over Shea "lurking" and what I found interesting about that is after I was like "I'll legiit vote doc out if he continues" he stopped... and that's actually what really struck me as scum indicative.. and then I remembered he's junko, and I don't TR junko, soooo yeah
and now we have roden trying to egg professor on in the PT, so it's like I kinda don't blame you, and like I feel bad... cause it really feels like you have a similar attitude to this as I do.
ummm I wanna say you being town makes Datisi maf, he wanted me to keep the pressure on you, but I can't really think straight right now, cause I'm trying to think about a team, and math and roden have both annoyed me to no end
I don't really get why scum!Roden interjects to my wagon like this though. It's not like he's gonna get towncred when I flip town just cause he defended me
Most towny:
19. ProfessorDrapion - town
12. Firebringer - Probably town
13. Dwlee99 - I'm currently thinking town
1. Rhaenyra unwnd JohnnyFarrar - Probably town
These 3 honestly just share a tier, I'm not really sure where I read them, but they're probably all the same, which I think makes them all town..
3. PenguinPower Roden - I was leaning penguin town, but Roden is making me not think town
7. Thestatusquo - the king, who hasexpressed doubt on his dwlee TR, which has me thinking "why even save dwlee from the lim? and why shoot maria..."
16. mastina - town lean (I need to see what scum!mastina looks like to lock her in as a tr)
GL tier:
11. GuiltyLion - I'll decide my read here later
Concerns me that I'm not leaning any direction on these slots(This is the only unordered group):
18. Lady Lambdadelta - started strong, but all this prod dodging... ehhh I'm not loving
4. Andresvmb - Idk, I've missed like every single andres post tbh
20. Bellaphant furtiveglance - I have no thoughts at all on this slot, can't think of anything either of them have said
21. Enchant - idk
Scum Leans
8. VPBaltar - Gut says scum, but I'm just writing off as town for now and he's a later problem
9. Dannflor- does he even go here anymore? I don't believe I TR anything from him
17. Junkochan Mathblade - I SRed Junko, and math came in here trying to take charge/acted like he runs the place... scum lean tbh
2. Titus - Probably scum
15. Datisi - Currently thinking scum
Definitely Scum but no one is talking about:
10. Unowen - There's no way UNO is town - scum
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so that leaves me with a pool of 10 people that scum is in, alright, great odds, I predict at least 3 of my Scum Leans tier are town, so the pool of LLD/andres/furtive/enchant/UNO is probably scum heavy...
in a perfect world we just lim UNO here, My 4 complete unknowns I just need to ISO/read into which won't happen tonight, ummm yeah that's where my head is at.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
Trying to limit the post count so here’s things I think need addressing. This is not post by post but rather concepts to avoid spamming the thread.
1) I really don’t like how wagons are starting up counter to Dwlee. There have been very few attempts to explain why Dwlee is town but instead who we should elim. I find this scummy AF. (Yes there are *exceptions* to this but this is a generality). Dwlee themselves have expressed a lack of WIM and very much seem in shutdown mode. To those proposing an alternate elim without an explanation here, assume your elim is instantly flipped. What stops day three from being a repeat of day two which was a repeat of day one.
2) I really don’t like the mis characterization of taking over/in charge. Expressing confidence != taking over. I expressed a theory. It’s a theory I want to test with Dwlee’s elim. I don’t like how Shea is particularly walking back the TR of Dwlee either. If you had a TR strong enough to shoot Maria to avoid the elim you should be able to quantify that in a way that’s understandable so right or wrong you can be sorted. The lack of accountability is horrible
3) Roden wanting to catch up but ignoring questions. I asked a simple question in response to a long post he had and he ignored it. I am not in any PT that talks of overthrowing the king and talks only seemed to start after my suggestion in thread. I want to know who supports the king who would overthrow and who is ambivalent. Asking a simple question I hope can get an answer.
4) Andante’s reads make no sense. I struggle with a town or scum perspective though. A big flaw is assume I and Datisi are scum. Why are you against the new council suggestion I have? It feels argumentative for argumentative sake. Could be he didn’t like he didn’t have the courage to say it or scum trying to sound reasonable but it sounds anything but.
5) I really want to see Titus and LLD do more. Granted knowing them they were likely active previously but whatever alignment they are I want to see more of them.
Overall I scumread a majority of council for being extremely sus
Shea- Why shoot Maria? Why stop Dwlee elim? Why the power grants then? Seems more trying to be angry than trying to solve. Lots of active lurking.
Firebringer - Money related said we won’t talk money in thread but with Luke dying seems sus and would love an audit.
Andante - Reads don’t follow conclusions.
Andres - Towniest of the group but nervous he’s in lurker territory
Johnny - Likely scum if Shea is to keep council in scum’s hands. I don’t really like his play and think it’s off from town him.
I don’t think all of them can be scum and I am probably wrong somewhere but it’s enough bad vibes to want to reform the council with new people if Dwlee flips scum.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
A lot of Shea’s anger feels very performative
“Well gee nuance isn’t a thing” (paraphrase)
It’s all snark and meant to try to be hostile. And before you ask that was to Andante not me.
It’s like he wants you to feel the anger and such instead of actually being constructively angry.
It’s a weapon instead of a hope or something expressed that he needs.
It’s a noted sharp difference from before.
If I was just “weird math” he could discount it no problem and everyone moves on.
But the fact I got this level of anger and it’s spreading instead of contributing and the backpedal of the Dwlee read just feels caught scum.
Like before replace in Shea asked questions and reads but now, nothing.
It really feels like Shea and Dwlee are in scum antispew mode
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
i love how andante's gone from dwlee 100% scum no way town to whatever the fuck this is for no reason whatsoever. no i don't think she is necessarily scum for it but jesus fuck it is annoying and these consistent counterwagons are hell. yes i am copying math, no i do not care
another reminder that dwlee is STILL not making reads and doing nothing but excuses, with no real-time interactions to solve shit. you can claim "but pokemon" or whatever but how long should we tolerate them doing nothing.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 2958, Datisi wrote:i love how andante's gone from dwlee 100% scum no way town to whatever the fuck this is for no reason whatsoever. no i don't think she is necessarily scum for it but jesus fuck it is annoying and these consistent counterwagons are hell. yes i am copying math, no i do not care
another reminder that dwlee is STILL not making reads and doing nothing but excuses, with no real-time interactions to solve shit. you can claim "but pokemon" or whatever but how long should we tolerate them doing nothing.
Oh and was posting on phone Datisi is probably town. Hah.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 2960, Enchant wrote:I can't with ceirtanity say if Dwlee is mafia or town.
Can you express why you aren’t on the Dwlee wagon?
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
like i don't even disagree unowen is scummy and needs attention soon, but like
we have been pulling teeth for this dwlee wagon, they are making every excuse under the sun to not give content, this is not the time to be splitting votes
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
for some reason, i was under the impression that andres needed 7 people for the kingsguard again. i was about to make a post telling him to finally make his mind up and pick the last two people for it so we can move on... but he said in the council pt he needed 5 and i just glossed over that
VOTE: dwlee
y-1 i believe
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
Only in spirit to prevent Enchant hammer without answering the question.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
(In other words consider me on Dwlee just seeing if Enchant will respond)
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 2956, MathBlade wrote:Trying to limit the post count so here’s things I think need addressing. This is not post by post but rather concepts to avoid spamming the thread.
1) I really don’t like how wagons are starting up counter to Dwlee. There have been very few attempts to explain why Dwlee is town but instead who we should elim. I find this scummy AF. (Yes there are *exceptions* to this but this is a generality). Dwlee themselves have expressed a lack of WIM and very much seem in shutdown mode. To those proposing an alternate elim without an explanation here, assume your elim is instantly flipped. What stops day three from being a repeat of day two which was a repeat of day one.
2) I really don’t like the mis characterization of taking over/in charge. Expressing confidence != taking over. I expressed a theory. It’s a theory I want to test with Dwlee’s elim. I don’t like how Shea is particularly walking back the TR of Dwlee either. If you had a TR strong enough to shoot Maria to avoid the elim you should be able to quantify that in a way that’s understandable so right or wrong you can be sorted. The lack of accountability is horrible
3) Roden wanting to catch up but ignoring questions. I asked a simple question in response to a long post he had and he ignored it. I am not in any PT that talks of overthrowing the king and talks only seemed to start after my suggestion in thread. I want to know who supports the king who would overthrow and who is ambivalent. Asking a simple question I hope can get an answer.
4) Andante’s reads make no sense. I struggle with a town or scum perspective though. A big flaw is assume I and Datisi are scum. Why are you against the new council suggestion I have? It feels argumentative for argumentative sake. Could be he didn’t like he didn’t have the courage to say it or scum trying to sound reasonable but it sounds anything but.
5) I really want to see Titus and LLD do more. Granted knowing them they were likely active previously but whatever alignment they are I want to see more of them.
Overall I scumread a majority of council for being extremely sus
Shea- Why shoot Maria? Why stop Dwlee elim? Why the power grants then? Seems more trying to be angry than trying to solve. Lots of active lurking.
Firebringer - Money related said we won’t talk money in thread but with Luke dying seems sus and would love an audit.
Andante - Reads don’t follow conclusions.
Andres - Towniest of the group but nervous he’s in lurker territory
Johnny - Likely scum if Shea is to keep council in scum’s hands. I don’t really like his play and think it’s off from town him.
I don’t think all of them can be scum and I am probably wrong somewhere but it’s enough bad vibes to want to reform the council with new people if Dwlee flips scum.
Mathblade calling for an auditor when my day job is an auditor I find hilarious
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 2836, Roden wrote:Meanwhile, his own wagon only has two votes...how the hell is that inducing a panic here?
I mean my wagon had up to like 5 votes earlier today? With the King pushing it?
I didn't check to follow how many people had hopped off but when Andres indicated he was willing to lim me and saying I can never endgame it felt like momentum was moving back to me
I don't think that's a townie reaction, it doesn't makes any sense to not actually look at the VC before declaring that town doesn't have any control in the game. The votes and game state were clearly in your favor, which to me makes your lamenting feel hollow. Like it didn't actually matter what was going on, regardless of reality you still wanted to sell a narrative that you were somehow the underdog and moments away from death.
What about this VC makes you think town doesn't have any control? Dwlee isn't voting you, so if they're scum then are there four other scum on your wagon?
also, bit weird to compare my play here to a Mason game, when you're a Mason you literally can't be limmed, obviously I'm not going to feel as much pressure to towntell in that situation
This feels like shade for the sake of shade. That wasn't the point of my post when I mentioned that.
In post 2836, Roden wrote:
Even looking at the most recent VC, GL is
still
a major influence in the game. He's on the leading wagon and wouldn't even have the most blood on his hands on a green Dwlee flip, I think Datisi would look a lot worse at that point. Meanwhile, his own wagon only has two votes...how the hell is that inducing a panic here? Does it really make sense to scream into the heavens that town is doomed and has no control over this game when he's getting exactly what he wants and isn't in any real danger of being voted out? Town!GL is normally so much more collected and nuanced than this, not just from looking at his town play in hindsight but also when I played a Mason game with him. He doesn't particularly care for self-preservation as town, so seeing such an extreme reaction just from being suspected by players who don't have much influence in the game doesn't add up here.
This
is what I said. I mentioned the Mason game in addition to what I've seen from your past town games; the Mason game is relevant because I got to see your solving and thought processes in real time in our PT. That doesn't take away from the fact that I've seen your other town games and that they don't match your play in this current game.
I don't understand the point of quoting my post then cutting out most of it when responding. If you're town here, all that did was give you room to recontextualize what I said, which I don't see a town motivation for.
Andante stop waffling on dats.
In fact if ur going to jump a read should take five minutes to think it through and explain it in more depth and go over if what ur thinking now versus what u thought before makes it good reason to switch
I don’t like ur read jumps either
No I don’t think it’s scummy
But it makes hard to work with u if u jump ships every five minutes
Next think u know ur going to call me scum again which u did at beginning of this game day
Which is fine but like stick with it and believe in it enough to not jump five minutes later.
Be a loose cannon at endgame not now pls
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 2956, MathBlade wrote:
3) Roden wanting to catch up but ignoring questions. I asked a simple question in response to a long post he had and he ignored it. I am not in any PT that talks of overthrowing the king and talks only seemed to start after my suggestion in thread. I want to know who supports the king who would overthrow and who is ambivalent. Asking a simple question I hope can get an answer.
What. I've literally been responding to everyone, what question did I ignore?
In post 2836, Roden wrote:Drapion and Mastina mentioned in the non-supporter PT that this looks like a major scum/perspective slip. From what I understand, GL has been a major player and influence in this game...yet he claims that town is not in control of this game. It feels like there's some cognitive dissonance here and I don't think it can come from town.
GL has not really been influencing the game much since Shea became king. I would say GL has faced resistance on almost every post he's making. Same for me. The rabble rousing crowd just continually makes bad arguments and is trying to outweigh that with volume and noise.
Drapion and Mastina and Shea can sit there and cry wolf (literally) all day long, dwlee is still the correct yeet for today. It should have happened yesterday, but Shea took unilateral action on a town read he's claiming isn't even locktown, and then he and mastina (in separate threads where they couldn't be communicating mind you) each claimed Shea actually had no choice because I was advocating we lim dwlee. Shea did have a choice though. He could have done nothing, which would have been the proper play for the king, instead of mislimming a town.
Those three can tell whatever conspiracy theories they want, facts are facts.
I don't think any of those three are scum, but yes I do agree that they've gone into conspiracy theory territory. The non-supporter PT is very chaotic and became an echo chamber a while back, looking at the post dates, so that would likely explain why Drapion and Mastina have been loud and in unison. I think this makes them town though, it just reads as natural paranoia and I believe that they both just really want to be right. Though I also agree with some of their other reads; I like Mastina's reads on everyone in the non-supporter PT, and Drapion picked up on a few things that I like that I'll share when it becomes relevant later.
I think the theory that you and GL are a power wolf duo is exciting, but I don't think it's likely tbh. I haven't read your ISO yet, but based on vibes I think that you could be town and mixed in with scum.
Gonna have to disagree that you and GL don't have any influence though, you're both very clearly getting what you want so far. Facing resistance kinda proves that, because resistance can't happen without an opposing influence, and said resistance is hardly being taken seriously as it is. You have the majority of the player list hanging onto your every word, while that same majority either ridicules or ignores Mastina and Drapion. And there's clear dissent and a wish to overthrow Shea among several players, so I don't think this resistance that you're so wary of is as much of a threat as you're making them out to be.
Interesting. Who else is in the “clear dissent” I don’t need a long explanation. Just who please.
Half the people in my PT are plotting against the King but I guess that would be expected for the non-supporters. Before Johnny replaced in, 90% of Rhaenyra's posts were about plotting a coup and political intrigue roleplay. Shortly after you made this post, several people began publicly discussing how they plan to overthrow the King depending on or regardless of Dwlee's flip. Day 2 start is also a pretty good place to look.
Ignoring is the wrong word.
More brushed off.
If there is clear dissent I’d expect more than one name. Of the PTs I have been in, that was not the reaction and an overthrow wasn’t discussed. Can you like list actual people wanting to overthrow the king?
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 2836, Roden wrote:Drapion and Mastina mentioned in the non-supporter PT that this looks like a major scum/perspective slip. From what I understand, GL has been a major player and influence in this game...yet he claims that town is not in control of this game. It feels like there's some cognitive dissonance here and I don't think it can come from town.
GL has not really been influencing the game much since Shea became king. I would say GL has faced resistance on almost every post he's making. Same for me. The rabble rousing crowd just continually makes bad arguments and is trying to outweigh that with volume and noise.
Drapion and Mastina and Shea can sit there and cry wolf (literally) all day long, dwlee is still the correct yeet for today. It should have happened yesterday, but Shea took unilateral action on a town read he's claiming isn't even locktown, and then he and mastina (in separate threads where they couldn't be communicating mind you) each claimed Shea actually had no choice because I was advocating we lim dwlee. Shea did have a choice though. He could have done nothing, which would have been the proper play for the king, instead of mislimming a town.
Those three can tell whatever conspiracy theories they want, facts are facts.
I don't think any of those three are scum, but yes I do agree that they've gone into conspiracy theory territory. The non-supporter PT is very chaotic and became an echo chamber a while back, looking at the post dates, so that would likely explain why Drapion and Mastina have been loud and in unison. I think this makes them town though, it just reads as natural paranoia and I believe that they both just really want to be right. Though I also agree with some of their other reads; I like Mastina's reads on everyone in the non-supporter PT, and Drapion picked up on a few things that I like that I'll share when it becomes relevant later.
I think the theory that you and GL are a power wolf duo is exciting, but I don't think it's likely tbh. I haven't read your ISO yet, but based on vibes I think that you could be town and mixed in with scum.
Gonna have to disagree that you and GL don't have any influence though, you're both very clearly getting what you want so far. Facing resistance kinda proves that, because resistance can't happen without an opposing influence, and said resistance is hardly being taken seriously as it is. You have the majority of the player list hanging onto your every word, while that same majority either ridicules or ignores Mastina and Drapion. And there's clear dissent and a wish to overthrow Shea among several players, so I don't think this resistance that you're so wary of is as much of a threat as you're making them out to be.
Interesting. Who else is in the “clear dissent” I don’t need a long explanation. Just who please.
Half the people in my PT are plotting against the King but I guess that would be expected for the non-supporters. Before Johnny replaced in, 90% of Rhaenyra's posts were about plotting a coup and political intrigue roleplay. Shortly after you made this post, several people began publicly discussing how they plan to overthrow the King depending on or regardless of Dwlee's flip. Day 2 start is also a pretty good place to look.
Ignoring is the wrong word.
More brushed off.
If there is clear dissent I’d expect more than one name. Of the PTs I have been in, that was not the reaction and an overthrow wasn’t discussed. Can you like list actual people wanting to overthrow the king?
Not trying to brush you off, I'm just trying to respond to as much as possible while catching up on ISOs while on a time limit. Listing every single dissenter just isn't high on my priority list right now, especially when one of the current topics involves several people discussing their intent to overthrow the King. When I say there's clear dissent it's because it's literally being discussed.
