House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[Enchant]

What question you had

[GuiltyLion]

Meanwhile, his own wagon only has two votes...how the hell is that inducing a panic here?

I mean my wagon had up to like 5 votes earlier today? With the King pushing it?

I didn't check to follow how many people had hopped off but when Andres indicated he was willing to lim me and saying I can never endgame it felt like momentum was moving back to me

I don't think that's a townie reaction, it doesn't makes any sense to not actually look at the VC before declaring that town doesn't have any control in the game. The votes and game state were clearly in your favor, which to me makes your lamenting feel hollow. Like it didn't actually matter what was going on, regardless of reality you still wanted to sell a narrative that you were somehow the underdog and moments away from death.

I mean it felt like I was fighting for my life literally the night before (thurs), the next day I had slept on it and knew what I wanted to say that was most important. I didn't bother to look very hard at actual votes. Also, here and in the next section, you are conflating votes/VC with control of the gamestate, there are a ton of mechanics at work which I have felt I have had very little input or sway on the second Shea was elected King.

Execution Vote Day Two

With nineteen players alive - it will require ten votes to eliminate a player.

GuiltyLion [5]:

Junkochan, Thestatusquo, Firebringer, mastina, ProfessorDrapion

Dwlee99 [5]:

GuiltyLion, Titus, Datisi, Andresvmb, VP Baltar

Firebringer [2]:

Enchant, furtiveglance,

not voting [7]:

JohnnyFarrar, PenguinPower, Andante, Dannflor, Unowen, Lady Lambdadelta, Dwlee99


Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-02 22:58:35)

What about this VC makes you think town doesn't have any control? Dwlee isn't voting you, so if they're scum then are there four other scum on your wagon?

Again, you are conflating votes/VC with control of the gamestate, there are a ton of mechanics at work which I have felt I have had very little input or sway on the second Shea was elected King.

also, bit weird to compare my play here to a Mason game, when you're a Mason you literally can't be limmed, obviously I'm not going to feel as much pressure to towntell in that situation

This feels like shade for the sake of shade. That wasn't the point of my post when I mentioned that.

Even looking at the most recent VC, GL is

still

a major influence in the game. He's on the leading wagon and wouldn't even have the most blood on his hands on a green Dwlee flip, I think Datisi would look a lot worse at that point. Meanwhile, his own wagon only has two votes...how the hell is that inducing a panic here? Does it really make sense to scream into the heavens that town is doomed and has no control over this game when he's getting exactly what he wants and isn't in any real danger of being voted out? Town!GL is normally so much more collected and nuanced than this, not just from looking at his town play in hindsight but also when I played a Mason game with him. He doesn't particularly care for self-preservation as town, so seeing such an extreme reaction just from being suspected by players who don't have much influence in the game doesn't add up here.

This

is what I said. I mentioned the Mason game in addition to what I've seen from your past town games; the Mason game is relevant because I got to see your solving and thought processes in real time in our PT. That doesn't take away from the fact that I've seen your other town games and that they don't match your play in this current game.

I don't understand the point of quoting my post then cutting out most of it when responding. If you're town here, all that did was give you room to recontextualize what I said, which I don't see a town motivation for.

I quote single parts of people's posts for readability and often take the most salient point/claim that I want to respond to. You can trust that I've read and am responding to your whole post when I do that, and if anyone cares for context they can go back and read your words, they're right there.

I didn't bother to do it in this one so you won't accuse me of taking you out of context again, but I hope you notice how much longer and more difficult this post is to read.

I'll quote you again more explicitly:
> Town!GL is normally so much more collected and nuanced than this, not just from looking at his town play in hindsight but also

when I played a Mason game with him

.

He doesn't particularly care for self-preservation as town

From what I am understanding when I read these two sentences, you are directly citing our Mason game together as evidence of me being collected and not caring for self-preservation. I don't see what the context changes at all.

Further, it's a baseless claim about my meta anyways. I can probably go back and find many instances of me whining and throwing fits as town when I'm getting run up. If I take the time to go compile some instances, will it affect your read?

[MathBlade]

I can't with ceirtanity say if Dwlee is mafia or town.

Can you express why you aren’t on the Dwlee wagon?

@Enchant: This one.

Will revote Dwlee in the am

[Enchant]

I can't with ceirtanity say if Dwlee is mafia or town.

Can you express why you aren’t on the Dwlee wagon?

@Enchant: This one.

Will revote Dwlee in the am

Because i am not sure if i want Dwlee dead.

[Dwlee99]

like i don't even disagree unowen is scummy and needs attention soon, but like

we have been pulling teeth for this dwlee wagon, they are making every excuse under the sun to not give content, this is not the time to be splitting votes

this just in: i am an idiot.

for some reason, i was under the impression that andres needed 7 people for the kingsguard again. i was about to make a post telling him to finally make his mind up and pick the last two people for it so we can move on... but he said in the council pt he needed 5 and i just glossed over that

VOTE: dwlee

y-1 i believe

So townie to try to instantly end day the moment I get a tiny breathing room and call out how bad your arguments are

[Dwlee99]

i love how andante's gone from dwlee 100% scum no way town to whatever the fuck this is for no reason whatsoever. no i don't think she is necessarily scum for it but jesus fuck it is annoying and these consistent counterwagons are hell. yes i am copying math, no i do not care

another reminder that dwlee is STILL not making reads and doing nothing but excuses, with no real-time interactions to solve shit. you can claim "but pokemon" or whatever but how long should we tolerate them doing nothing.

This second paragraph is just a lie

Like I just gave my opinion on Roden and my reads on other slots as well

[Dwlee99]

Not my fault that Math walls are unsortable nonsense

[Dwlee99]

Or Datisi just arguing cause I left thread that I'm scum

Okay? Do I really need to rebut that?

I don't buy your dats scumread

I don't buy his read on me when he starts making up random shit on the fly to push me through

Datisi is so confident in his scum read that he needs to lie about the contents of my posts to push me through?

[Datisi]

if anyone is interested in my responses to something, let me know. otherwise i'm not engaging in this thread muddying.

[mastina]

So let me ask the Dwlee voters a crucial question:

If Dwlee is scum, who is their scumbuddies???

'Cause this is the people who have voted to eliminate Dwlee:

VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Dwlee

Nope. We do Dwlee.
VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: DW

VOTE: DW

VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dwlee

We absolutely should lim here. TSQ has a deeply unexplained townread here and plans to use his execution if we don't move off, or so he says in the supporters thread.

If dwlee flips scum, I'm deeply concerned to say the least. E-2. More votes gogogogo

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: dwelee

VOTE: Dweelee

VOTE: Dwlee99

VOTE: Dwlee99

VOTE: Dwlee

Shea has threatened to execute instead of limming Dwlee today but frankly I am starting to feel Dwlee remains the best lim today and I want to make my opinion known

VOTE: Dwlee

I could stay on MariaR but idk if her entry really comes from scum, I said this in the PT but the idea that scum!Maria pushed me haphazardly, then backed down once it was clear it was going poorly and pivot to Dwlee, seems a little too sloppy to be scum to me

furtive I haven't liked up until recently but I'm kinda getting loose town vibes from his responses to pressure and engagement with me, esp 2276

VOTE: Dwlee

Who does that leave that

hasn't

?

Rhaenyra unwnd JohnnyFarrar did.
Titus did.
PenguinPower Roden did.
Andresvmb did.
6. Andante did.
VPBaltar did.
Dannflor did.
Unowen did.
GuiltyLion did.
Firebringer did.
Datisi did.
Junkochan Mathblade did.
Bellaphant furtiveglance did.

I have not.
Shea has not.
Lady Lambdadelta has not.
ProfessorDrapion has not.
Enchant has not.

For Dwlee to be scum, it is literally

required

that

AT LEAST

one scum bussed.

And for every name in {mastina, Shea, LLD, Drapion, Enchant} you think is town, that adds to the minimum.

So let me ask you again:
If Dwlee is scum,

Then. who. are. their. scumbuddies.

You cannot make a team that doesn't involve bussing.
So who the fuck are the bussers on Dwlee.

Or, maybe--and get this, this might be a radical opinion!--maybe, just MAYBE, the fact that literally everyone except for four players has voted to eliminate Dwlee (most of them for fuckall of any reasoning) indicates that Dwlee isn't actually scum.

[mastina]

And let me further ask:

If Dwlee is scum, where is the actual counterwagons?

There has been no concentrated counterwagon to the Dwlee wagon.

There was a MariaR wagon yesterday--which fell apart.
There was a GuiltyLion wagon yesterday--which didn't manifest.
There has been ZERO coherent wagons today--meaning that there isn't a coordinated push from scum today.

So

for Dwlee to be scum, the scum must be making absolutely

ZERO

effort to save them.

Which is more likely?
That the scum have given absolutely no attempts to save their scumbuddy who if flipped would spew half the town as town and basically ensure that the town wins through PoE alone...
...Or that maybe, just maybe: Dwlee is town and scum are fine with Dwlee dieing?

Dwlee. is. town.

[mastina]

And you cannot tell me that all of those Dwlee voters look town.

Titus's vote is transparently from scum.
furtiveglance's vote is transparently from scum.
Dannflor's vote is transparently from scum.
I've extensively covered why VP Baltar and GuiltyLion are scum.

Check their votes for Dwlee and tell me they're town. I fucking dare you to.

Dwlee is town.
There is zero real reason for the wagon to be on them.

[Dwlee99]

Aren't there 5 scum

So if 5 people didn't vote me then 4 of them could be my scum buddies??

[Enchant]

Mastina: makes serious post
me: haha junke mispelled dwlee all times

[furtiveglance]

And let me further ask:

If Dwlee is scum, where is the actual counterwagons?

There has been no concentrated counterwagon to the Dwlee wagon.

There was a MariaR wagon yesterday--which fell apart.
There was a GuiltyLion wagon yesterday--which didn't manifest.
There has been ZERO coherent wagons today--meaning that there isn't a coordinated push from scum today.

So

for Dwlee to be scum, the scum must be making absolutely

ZERO

effort to save them.

Which is more likely?
That the scum have given absolutely no attempts to save their scumbuddy who if flipped would spew half the town as town and basically ensure that the town wins through PoE alone...
...Or that maybe, just maybe: Dwlee is town and scum are fine with Dwlee dieing?

Dwlee. is. town.

Why can't Dwlee be being bussed hard, just like Ircher was in Datisi's Cafe?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean I think it’s obvious Dwlee flips Town.

Now if people voted a player on my case there would be a very high chance we execute a wolf today.

However you guys seem to enjoy executing Town so.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Wouldn’t at all be the first time and most certainly not be the last.
Cross site people always do this, so oblivious. Tsk Tsk Tsk.

I wonder if there will ever be a game where everyone sheeped me, I think that would be a game we definitely win.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t think I’ve seen anytime people don’t massively vote Town obliviously and ignore wolves and not even try to pressure them.
Like shit like this usually happens mostly every game on mostly every site.

The only time shit like this doesn’t happen was like on my Discord Server and maybe SC2Mafia.

[ProfessorDrapion]

No wait it happened on SC2Mafia.


That Frostbyte dude was the reason.
Me and Him really are not fond of each other at all, he blew the game for Town and it happened more then once.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Anyway, Let’s ML.

VOTE: Dwlee

You guys don’t seem to care to vote wolves who I have cased so.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also get outta here GL.

Saying you’re not a major influencer Is utter BS.

You’re here that should have been a wagon today but is not and instead you are influencing things your way today.
So is VP Balter.

So have fun cause when you or VP flips wolf the other can die right after.
Thank You! Have a Day!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

flavor

Submission of Oldtown and Crowning by the Faith

When word of Aegon's Landing reached Oldtown, the High Septon locked himself in the Starry Sept for seven days and nights, seeking after the guidance of the Seven. On the seventh day, the Crone allegedly lifted her golden lamp and showed that Oldtown would burn if the city opposed the Targaryens. Manfred Hightower, Lord of the Hightower, decided not to oppose Aegon by force of arms and House Hightower therefore was not involved with the Field of Fire.

When Aegon and his host approached Oldtown they found the city gates open and Lord Hightower riding forth in submission. Three days later in the Starry Sept, the High Septon anointed Aegon with the seven oils, placed a crown upon his head and proclaimed him Aegon of House Targaryen, the First of His Name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, and Protector of the Realm. This marked the official beginning of Aegon's reign.

Execution Vote Day Two

With nineteen players alive - it will require ten votes to eliminate a player.

Dwlee99 [9]:

GuiltyLion, Titus, Andresvmb, VP Baltar, furtiveglance, Firebringer, Unowen, Datisi, ProfessorDrapion

GuiltyLion [2]:

Thestatusquo, mastina,

Firebringer [1]:

Enchant,

Datisi [1]:

Dwlee99

Titus [1]:

Roden

Unowen [1]:

Andante

not voting [4]:

JohnnyFarrar, Dannflor, Lady Lambdadelta, Mathblade,

Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-02 22:58:35)

[VP Baltar]

if anyone is interested in my responses to something, let me know. otherwise i'm not engaging in this thread muddying.

Why take this stance when you wanted dwlee to post more, and then they finally did?

There's nothing there you wanted to respond to?

[Datisi]

if anyone is interested in my responses to something, let me know. otherwise i'm not engaging in this thread muddying.

Why take this stance when you wanted dwlee to post more, and then they finally did?

There's nothing there you wanted to respond to?

i wanted them to post more and i think what they did post told me all i needed to know

i do *want* to respond to things there. but i don't think it's going to be helpful and will just be thread bloat, unless someone other than dwlee is interested in it. because i really don't think dwlee is approaching me in good faith here and i don't think there's a point responding to them

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think if your town you’re gonna need to step it up tomorrow Datisi and start bringing some massive pressure to multiple slots.
Scum have you and Titus as good ML options next, so try and find them and get rid of the wolves before you get ML’ed cause Town get sus of yours


I cased the wolves, go look at it.