Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[professotic]

As the sun begins to set, a ray of sunlight catches onto Mathblade and surrounds him. Likewise, as the moon rises the moonlight surrounds Dingle Dangle Scarecrow. They are surrounded by radiant and ethereal light.

Mathblade is blessed by the solar god Helius. He cannot be aligned with the Lunar Cult. If he was eliminated during this phase, the Solar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Solar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

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Thus begins Night 1! Send me anything you might do!

The deadline for the night is 1 day.

This timer will likewise freeze at 24 hours remaining until I receive a replacement for Maid Cafe.

Remember People.
Math can still be Solar.
Dingle can still be Lunar.


Example:
Math is Town and Dingle is Lunar.

Solar would know Math is town and make sure no one executes them.
Lunar has one of their partners (Dingle) they need to make sure lives today or the entire team gets fucked.


So I suppose technically see if MMR was defending Dingle day 1 and see if anyone else was.

[professotic]

VC 1.0.13



Mastina (7) Frozen Angel, Mathblade, professotic, MMR, T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, [E-2]

scarfmanship (4) Past Present Future, Bunnyonce, furtiveglance, Ydrasse

Enchant (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
professotic (1) Mastina,
Frozen Angel (1) Radja
Mathblade (1) Yume
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) Scarfmanship

Not Voting (1) Enchant


With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-01 13:00:17)

I think it’s Ydrass.
Look where the placement is and look where Scarf is voting.

[JunkoChan]

I just think there was a chain of miscommunication

Either that or a slip, i had to read it like three times tho

Okay so what I think happened:

T-bone said Mathblade/DDS can't be town/scum (because of them both being mod-confirmed not to be in a cult at the same time)

Prof thinks the reason why Mathblade/DDS can't be town/scum is that MMR mentioned that they could be traitors before dying.
Prof didn't remember the whole dusk 1 thing with Mathblade/DDS and assumed T-bone was referring to MMR saying they could be traitors.
Prof says that a wolf could "name 1 town and 1 teammate", in reference to what MMR said.

To T-bone (and others, including me), this sounds like a slip, like Prof is saying that scum chose Mathblade/DDS on dusk 1.

Prof still doesn't get it and doubles down.

I'm gonna keep a pokeball in my pocket just in case

[professotic]

Yeah ima say the Lunar are Ydrass/Dingle.

I have absolutely no idea on the Solar.

[Meuh]

Yeah but ok like.
They are only confirmed not in one faction.
They aren’t IC’s.
One can be town and one can be Lunar/Solar. They aren’t IC’s.

Okay yes we can talk about that
but I think the important thing was clarifying that you didn't scumslip... cause you made yourself look horrendous.

I do agree that they could be town/scum, especially since the scumteams don't seem to be equivalent to each other. Since they're likely acting on opposing phases and abilities I think are different, I doubt these scumteams are mirrors of each other. I think lunar cult can probably recruit, but has smaller numbers. I think solar cult has more initial members, no recruit, but a factional kill (which would be "burn").
So essentially with these teams not being even in those ways, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them had a member involved in the day 1 stuff, and the other didn't.
Also could be that the 2 people were picked through some other means where their alignments were irrelevant/could go both ways.
Anyways yeah I don't think DDS and Mathblade's alignments means too much about the other's.

[Meuh]

Yeah ima say the Lunar are Ydrass/Dingle.

I have absolutely no idea on the Solar.

You think there's only 2 lunar left here?

[JunkoChan]

VC 1.0.13



Mastina (7) Frozen Angel, Mathblade, professotic, MMR, T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, [E-2]

scarfmanship (4) Past Present Future, Bunnyonce, furtiveglance, Ydrasse

Enchant (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
professotic (1) Mastina,
Frozen Angel (1) Radja
Mathblade (1) Yume
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) Scarfmanship

Not Voting (1) Enchant


With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-01 13:00:17)

I think it’s Ydrass.
Look where the placement is and look where Scarf is voting.

Why not vote for mastina tho? If that was the goal

[Radical Rat]

Why would scum be double-punished for eliminating a traitor in this hypothetical
They'd already be eliminating a member of their faction, why would they also have their entire scumteam vanillaised on top of that

If the blessing was some sort of recruit-become-a-traitor-thing, why would it be announced in-thread

The double punishment is balanced by scum's knowledge of the consequences. A regular traitor wouldn't necessarily have the full support of their team, whereas giving each scumteam knowledge that eliminating them is very bad makes them more likely to avoid it happening. Crucially each team only knew their own anti-target until after the danger had passed, so it becomes more just a "don't push this player" warning than anything else.

And then the semi-clear announcement after is to give Town a chance to look for any weird behavior around the slots in question, as well as provide soft cover for the "traitors" themselves. And indeed the prevailing thought process for a while was that we should focus on people who could be either scum instead of those we know aren't one or the other.

[Radical Rat]

@Radical Rat

Is it possible T-Bone can be Lunar aligned with Dingle?

It's possible, but T-Bone is probably my strongest townread so I don't think that's the case right now. But all we know for sure is that T-Bone isn't Solar, unless they did self-targeting shenanigans.

[JunkoChan]

@Radical Rat

Is it possible T-Bone can be Lunar aligned with Dingle?

It's possible, but T-Bone is probably my strongest townread so I don't think that's the case right now. But all we know for sure is that T-Bone isn't Solar, unless they did self-targeting shenanigans.

You mean like burn themselves? Sounds unlikely

[Radical Rat]

I agree, I only included the possibility for completeness' sake.

[T-Bone]

I think Professor slipped information that he has that no one else does. I cannot explain this any other way.

[T-Bone]

I know MMR named Math/DDS as final scum reads.

But at no point did anyone suggest that scum choose Math and DDS for their blessing at the end of our first phase. Where did Prof get this from? Why does he think this, and why does he say it as if it is common knowledge? That last part is key.

[MathBlade]

I know MMR named Math/DDS as final scum reads.

But at no point did anyone suggest that scum choose Math and DDS for their blessing at the end of our first phase. Where did Prof get this from? Why does he think this, and why does he say it as if it is common knowledge? That last part is key.

I think TBone is scum and Prof is town but I can see both interpretations.

I think we should elim in the pair today.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: TBone

[MathBlade]

If anyone disagrees with me please vote Professor.

I thought something was off and voted Professor.

I like professor’s responses.

[JunkoChan]

If anyone disagrees with me please vote Professor.

I thought something was off and voted Professor.

I like professor’s responses.

I wish i could get myself to vote Math

If I had to pick between those 2 i'd say Proffesor sounds fishier but I still rather vote SSD ir PPF

[JunkoChan]

God even Meuh is a better target right now imo

[T-Bone]

Oof I suggest Math is scum if DDS is scum and he turns fast.

[T-Bone]

Oh I guess I also said I don't care that he says his PR is all important trololololol

[MathBlade]

Oof I suggest Math is scum if DDS is scum and he turns fast.

Incorrect. I have been suspicious of you for a while by play.

If you wish to bus DDS I won’t stop you.

I just think there’s a weird dynamic here. There’s something here.

[T-Bone]

*is allegedly suspicious for a while by play

*only says something now that his own position in the game is being openly questioned

I mean, it's laughable. I think DDS is town and was cautioning against that wagon, but I hint you can be scum, say that your role can't be important enough to not flip, and you panic? Do I have that right?

[T-Bone]

That is rhetorical of course I'm actually asking the other players before I get too ahead of myself. I think I have that timeline right.

[JunkoChan]

*is allegedly suspicious for a while by play

*only says something now that his own position in the game is being openly questioned

I mean, it's laughable. I think DDS is town and was cautioning against that wagon, but I hint you can be scum, say that your role can't be important enough to not flip, and you panic? Do I have that right?

I would like to read where this case "that has been forming for a while" is coming from

[MathBlade]

*is allegedly suspicious for a while by play

*only says something now that his own position in the game is being openly questioned

I mean, it's laughable. I think DDS is town and was cautioning against that wagon, but I hint you can be scum, say that your role can't be important enough to not flip, and you panic? Do I have that right?

I would like to read where this case "that has been forming for a while" is coming from

Mainly TBone seems very opportunistic. It seems like he wants to elim everyone and is very sheepy. It pings me.

I know this is a very cryptic explanation but I guess you can call it a “soul” read.