Gnosia Game over!

[Ranger]

State your human.

A human containing a voice and vote. ;)

{Roden, JunkoChan, shiki}
{Scoliosis, Jessica Rabbit, Klick, Yume, FakeGod, Autere, Not Known 15, narrow parking}
{Elmo teH AzN}
{Marashu, Enchant}

[Ranger]

no neutral tier ?

The middle bloc???

{Roden, JunkoChan, shiki}
{Scoliosis, Jessica Rabbit, Klick, Yume, FakeGod, Autere, Not Known 15}
{Elmo teH AzN, narrow parking}
{Marashu, Enchant}

[Ranger]

I think it'd be useful if someone tracked votes/FoS. Really would like to see others play along even if we don't have an official one

An ability has been activated!

For this dayphase only we will have a standard voting phase and skip freezing phase.
Please vote for who you want to be frozen using vote tolds aka VOTE: Maria bolded votes will not count!

Ask and ye shall receive?

[Ranger]

{Autere}
{Roden, JunkoChan, shiki}
{Scoliosis, Jessica Rabbit, Klick, Yume, FakeGod, Not Known 15}
{Elmo teH AzN, narrow parking}
{Enchant}
{Marashu}

P2 bottom.

VOTE: Marashu

[Ranger]

{Autere}
{JunkoChan, shiki}
{Roden}
{Scoliosis, Jessica Rabbit, Klick, Yume, Not Known 15}
{Elmo teH AzN, FakeGod}
{Enchant, narrow parking}
{Marashu}
(Oops too many south of null, will try to fix.)

[Ranger]

(Oops too many south of null, will try to fix.)

Oh I forgot, technically five scum so five south of null isn't too many. :P
(That said, still need the reads fixed; they don't feel right.)

[Ranger]

my ability is activated by DMing the mod

So's mine!

Let's fire ability which basically disables anonymous voting in FIRST DAY.

And enables a normal voting phase for the first day phase?

First days are the most important. RVS isn't the same if you can't vote.

I disagreed at first, but now that I think about it, I'm more inclined to agree here. Today's the only day that will require majority instead of plurality, and maf are the only ones who know how many maf are left, so sneaking in a late-game block vote even when you don't have majority could be huge.

This logic has an obvious hole:
"I think it's a mafia ability because it was used D1, since scum can make a bloc on later days using the default mechanic". If a mafia ability, mafia just...don't use it? Keep the default mechanic?

Plus, town wouldn't know when mafia would attempt a votebloc. Especially in a flipless game. Big difference between 3 and 1 scum alive D3. How's town know?

I can see this too, I'm willing to vote there, Enchant is a vibe vote

This me, with my Marashu/Enchant/FG reads.
Obviously, they're not

partnered

, but I individually get bad vibes from each.

[Ranger]

But then it begs the question would it be used for later in the day all said votes would be revealed. So I'm not missing anything

Don't think it works that way. Pretty sure anon votes would've reset. It specifies a

skipped

freeze phase. Freeze = anon voting phase, so skipping = votes within skipped.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Hi, haven’t read the whole thing but so far liking Roden and Shiki. Will fully catch up later.

[Ranger]

I am the Engineer!

I believe it.

Not really. I didn't want to claim, because characters could had roleblockers.

I don't believe this!

{Not Known 15}
--
{Autere}
{JunkoChan, shiki}
{Roden}
{Scoliosis, Jessica Rabbit, Klick, Yume}
{Elmo teH AzN, FakeGod}
{narrow parking}
{Marashu}
--
{Enchant}

Vote's not on Enchant because I'm not sure if it's better to leave the claim alive in spite of my disbelief.

[Ranger]

{Not Known 15}
--
{Autere}
{JunkoChan, shiki}
{Roden, Jessica Rabbit}
{Scoliosis, Klick, Yume}
{Elmo teH AzN, FakeGod}
{narrow parking}
{Marashu}
--
{Enchant}

[FakeGod]

I think NK15 is more likely to be the real cop, but I wonder if we need to eliminate between the cop claims at all.

Why are people saying roles cannot be confirmed after day 1?

We do have a coroner, after all.

[FakeGod]

That said, Doctor (not Guardian Angel) should claim as well

Why? I read your 116 and I still do not understand.

[JunkoChan]

I think NK15 is more likely to be the real cop, but I wonder if we need to eliminate between the cop claims at all.

Why are people saying roles cannot be confirmed after day 1?

We do have a coroner, after all.

imagine coroner claims and gets counterclaimed

how do we know for sure who was the real one?

unless this is a public coroner variant

[JunkoChan]

Although if mafia wants to trade 2 for 2 i'm okay with that, now that i think about it

[FakeGod]

If mafia wants to trade like that, let them.

[narrow parking]

NK15, can you confirm that this came from you?

this is wild

no neutral tier ?

The middle bloc???

{Roden, JunkoChan, shiki}
{Scoliosis, Jessica Rabbit, Klick, Yume, FakeGod, Autere, Not Known 15}
{Elmo teH AzN, narrow parking}
{Marashu, Enchant}

there is no middle bloc!

I am the Engineer!

I believe it.

consider me unconvinced of either of them

[Enchant]

NK15 on purpose had almost zero of interaction with other people (just vague posts), so it's clearly, he is pawn to be sacrificed to reveal me.

[Autere]

Roden, I'm feeling like a lot of your posts are leading with flavor expertise. I get the impression this is a setup that excites you because of it but I do think your #76 is a bit of a reach. I think FG's behavior is null yet your flavor leanings made it out to be a bigger deal than it was.

[Roden]

I think NK15 is more likely to be the real cop, but I wonder if we need to eliminate between the cop claims at all.

Why are people saying roles cannot be confirmed after day 1?

We do have a coroner, after all.

Let's say Person X is the Doctor. If we wait for them to claim but it then gets to the point that we need to start seeing some Doctor results, we might ask the Doctor to step forward, maybe three days have gone by at this point. If Gnosia happens to kill the Doctor on Night 1/2/3, no one would know. And the longer that goes on, the greater chance that scum or 3p can safely fake claim with no one to oppose them.

The only way to confirm the Doctor is to either have them claim D1 with no CC or have their results match up with a confirmed Engineer, who themself can only be confirmed with a D1 claim with no CC, or if they target the Bug during a Night phase where two people die.

That said, Doctor (not Guardian Angel) should claim as well

Why? I read your 116 and I still do not understand.

What don't you understand? If Gnosia try to CC a Crewmate who's true claiming Engineer or Doctor, and then that Crewmate ends up dead, we know the other player is fake claiming and is a bad guy. Keep in mind that the Bug can't be NK'd, so anyone who dies at night (and wasn't targeted by an Engineer) is always definitely Human.

There is a chance that in a 1v1 role claim that it could be Crew vs AC Follower, and if the AC Follower is killed then it could frame the real Crewmate as a bad guy. I don't think that's particularly likely to happen though and is a much less dangerous situation than a potential unopposed late Doctor claim.

[Roden]

NK15, can you confirm that this came from you?

this is wild

no neutral tier ?

The middle bloc???

{Roden, JunkoChan, shiki}
{Scoliosis, Jessica Rabbit, Klick, Yume, FakeGod, Autere, Not Known 15}
{Elmo teH AzN, narrow parking}
{Marashu, Enchant}

there is no middle bloc!

I am the Engineer!

I believe it.

consider me unconvinced of either of them

Do you mean that you're not sure who to believe, or that you don't think either of them are the Engineer?

[Roden]

Roden, I'm feeling like a lot of your posts are leading with flavor expertise. I get the impression this is a setup that excites you because of it but I do think your #76 is a bit of a reach. I think FG's behavior is null yet your flavor leanings made it out to be a bigger deal than it was.

I am excited to play this set up, the game actually got me into playing forum mafia.

Can you explain what you mean by 76 being a reach though? The part where I talk about flavor is separate from my read on FG, I don't have any flavor reasons for scum reading them. My vote on them is because they entered the thread worried about the 3p when the Bug shouldn't be much of a concern for us yet.

[Roden]

NK15 on purpose had almost zero of interaction with other people (just vague posts), so it's clearly, he is pawn to be sacrificed to reveal me.

This isn't a good argument, the game just started. It's almost impossible for them to have had any real interactions with the player list at the time of claiming.

[narrow parking]

NK15 on purpose had almost zero of interaction with other people (just vague posts), so it's clearly, he is pawn to be sacrificed to reveal me.

This isn't a good argument, the game just started. It's almost impossible for them to have had any real interactions with the player list at the time of claiming.

this might be a worse argument! surely he could have if he didn't do it on his 4th post

[Roden]

NK15 on purpose had almost zero of interaction with other people (just vague posts), so it's clearly, he is pawn to be sacrificed to reveal me.

This isn't a good argument, the game just started. It's almost impossible for them to have had any real interactions with the player list at the time of claiming.

this might be a worse argument! surely he could have if he didn't do it on his 4th post

Yes...? I don't disagree. The argument is that NK15 is a pawn with zero interaction, I don't think that makes sense as an accusation when the game just started.