i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Frogsterking]

774 is clearly Town!Gamma because scum!Gamma is far too reticent to flamebait a back and forth

/sarcasm

@ CSF

[xyzzy]

tris has requested a replacement.

gonna edit a vote count into this post later.

votecount 1.10

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6 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance)
4 players voting for furtiveglance (tris, Morning Tweet, Save The Dragons, Frogsterking)
3 players voting for imaginality (Ranger, Lycanfire, HighPrincessErinys)
1 player voting for Ranger (Quiet Owl)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)
1 player voting for Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever)

7 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, Enchant, GeorgeBailey, Gamma Emerald, Elements)

with 23 votes, it takes 12 to eliminate.

mod notes:

[Ythan]

Aw bye.

[Lycanfire]

@frogster do you usually say you hate everyone for not following you on a read?

That's a really loaded question: no, I doubt I've technically used those words before, and yes, I've become angry and heated in almost every single one of my town games and have lashed out in a wide variety of ways at every level of intensity from a fleeting spark to a smoldering ember to the raging inferno of the sun:

viewtopic.php?p=13465206&f=2#p13465206

I had to look more at the game to see why you were banned for that comment. You really were up in luke's shit it seems. Getting there on day 1 was a bit much, though.

AtE is something that actually seems to trip up frogster.

What does this mean?

In mini normal 242 (one of the games I looked through) you scumread StD and Pooky for AtE. Just means you would be self aware and going right into the AtE meant you didn't care if it was subpar play.

Do you feel like you got anything out of it?]

[Lycanfire]

I'm not going to stop with the quoting because between making players confused because they don't understand what I'm referring to (504) and annoying players by increasing the scroll time, I choose being annoying over being confusing. What I will do is start putting self/long/chain quotes in spoiler tags so it's easier to scroll past and I'll give preferential treatment to using post links.

My problem was less about scroll time and more about this post: 472. I find it easy to talk myself into bad reasoning, and that's because I get into a tunnel. I was suggesting you step back if you start quoting yourself, that's all.

[Lycanfire]

@owl

what is your impression of Morning Tweet and Lycanfire rn?

didn't see this earlier, sorry.

i'm inclined to think that tweet is town, mainly because she's questioning people but also giving reasons for questioning them instead of just going "OoOOoO but what if you were wrong??" she's also actively engaged with the game instead of coasting.

lycanfire is very focused on just casting doubt on everything and has about 2 posts of substance (403 and 404). this is typical of their playstyle as an arsonist in this game. viewtopic.php?p=10782486&user_select%5B ... #p10782486
could also be that they're not very invested in the game but at this point i think town!lycan would be putting more solid posts out there, based off viewtopic.php?p=10230168&user_select%5B ... #p10230168
considering the possibility of a lycan/catscratch team.

tl;dr: aw snap

VOTE: Lycanfire

I'm sorry my owl I'm probably never gonna get that level of tryhardy again. I have medication that gives me the dopamine mafia used to give me when I was getting all mentally ill and solvey.

My main reason for playing in this game is because I'm bad at maintaining friendships and I'm lonely.

[Frogsterking]

In mini normal 242 (one of the games I looked through) you scumread StD and Pooky for AtE. Just means you would be self aware and going right into the AtE meant you didn't care if it was subpar play.

Oh, you meant trip up like it's something that I watch for as a scum tell?

Do you feel like you got anything out of it?]

Nope!

I have medication that gives me the dopamine mafia used to give me when I was getting all mentally ill and solvey.

Congrats on the new prescription.

Fwiw, I think there's a decent chance Quiet Owl made up their read on you anyway.

[Lycanfire]

UNVOTE:

Why Ranger, Titus? Outside of the obvious disagreement what is making you doubt her?

[Lycanfire]

1) yeah, you look for it.
2) could be fake. i think my most tryhardy game ever was as scum and was my only legit scum win. helps narrow down whether owl's an alt.

[KittyTacky]

What kinda scares me about this game is that there's likely a jester, and knowing how I normally tunnel on scummy people, i try to play a lot more cautiously. Which is why I'm not posting much.

[KittyTacky]

You probably don't believe me but i do have readlist!

Show us it.

[KittyTacky]

You probably don't believe me but i do have readlist!

It's not just you as town and everyone else null is it?

No!

I also have NM as Town!
And everyone else null.

Oh lol.

[KittyTacky]

I agree with Titus that Frogster is acting really weird. I've been finding it hard to put into words though.

[KittyTacky]

I don't understand the imaginality wagon, even before the mason stuff.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah this one is trying to see where it stands on imaginality/Frog/Titus but this topic as a whole is a little hard to follow, honestly. Rethinking is in order, for sure.

[Quiet Owl]

@owl

what is your impression of Morning Tweet and Lycanfire rn?

didn't see this earlier, sorry.

i'm inclined to think that tweet is town, mainly because she's questioning people but also giving reasons for questioning them instead of just going "OoOOoO but what if you were wrong??" she's also actively engaged with the game instead of coasting.

lycanfire is very focused on just casting doubt on everything and has about 2 posts of substance (403 and 404). this is typical of their playstyle as an arsonist in this game. viewtopic.php?p=10782486&user_select%5B ... #p10782486
could also be that they're not very invested in the game but at this point i think town!lycan would be putting more solid posts out there, based off viewtopic.php?p=10230168&user_select%5B ... #p10230168
considering the possibility of a lycan/catscratch team.

tl;dr: aw snap

VOTE: Lycanfire

I'm sorry my owl I'm probably never gonna get that level of tryhardy again. I have medication that gives me the dopamine mafia used to give me when I was getting all mentally ill and solvey.

My main reason for playing in this game is because I'm bad at maintaining friendships and I'm lonely.

going to trust you on that for ethical reasons. puts you back at a null until i finish reading the thread

[Enchant]

I agree with Titus that Frogster is acting really weird. I've been finding it hard to put into words though.

I can. It's called...

Spoiler: ...

sus

[Frogsterking]

Yeah this one is trying to see where it stands on imaginality/Frog/Titus but this topic as a whole is a little hard to follow, honestly. Rethinking is in order, for sure.

Then help sort these three instead:

@all I have three slots that need to be seriously considered as candidates for the D1 lim: Ythan, furtive and George.

[Frogsterking]

Yeah this one is trying to see where it stands on imaginality/Frog/Titus but this topic as a whole is a little hard to follow, honestly. Rethinking is in order, for sure.

Then help sort these three instead:

@all I have three slots that need to be seriously considered as candidates for the D1 lim: Ythan, furtive and George.

You can add Quiet Owl to this list too.

Quiet Owl/Ythan/Furtive/George

I'm not really interested in reading posts that aren't about which one of these four should or should not be killed. I prefer furtive or Ythan but I'd compromise on one of the other two.

If someone wants to suggest an alternate candidate for a D1 lim then I'm willing to read it if you ask me to. If I think the suggestion is bad then I'm going to tell you that it's bad though. For example, I am objectively a terrible candidate for a D1 lim. If you don't understand why, click on the activity overview in the bottom right of your web page. I don't care if you scum read me. Find another read. I'm like 90% that Gamma is scum and I'm not pushing for a Gamma lim for the exact same reason: they're too active in the game, it's a terrible move to go for slots like that D1.

Unless I'm forgetting something someone asked, all I have left to do for D1 is post my reads list and my meta case on Gamma.

[Elements]

Why are people scumming George?

[Elements]

I might just be frog actually

[Frogsterking]

Why are people scumming George?

I might just be frog actually

I listed this as a potential TMI tell assuming the mason claim is real:

George

Spoiler:

VOTE: imaginality

{Save The Dragons}

How did you get this from StD's posts?

If mason claim is real then the leading wagons were a TvT cross during the time that George disappeared, which could explain an acute lack of interest in the game:

VOTE: George

This slots disappearance between 29 and 165 sits out the formation of my wagon as well as imaginality's wagon. I haven't checked what was going down when George disappeared again between 165 and 559, but my theory is that the leading wagons during that period of time were town, and George is scum who fell behind on the game and is too self-conscious to get in character now. During all of this time George had his vote parked on tris.

My points against George distinguish him from the other lurker slots mostly to players who believe that I'm town, believe the mason claim, and believe that tris is town.

If there are good reasons to townread George then...let's hear them, that's why I listed 4 candidates for the D1 lim.

[Elements]

Merry Christmas.

I am very sick and delirious so please excuse me for a day

UNVOTE: tris

I don't have any read on George atm and I don't see how anyone could

[McMenno]

I really don't get the owl scumreads, probably one of my stronger townreads atm.

gamma said a "safe game"? do they usually play more risky?

[Frogsterking]

I really don't get the owl scumreads, probably one of my stronger townreads atm.

gamma said a "safe game"? do they usually play more risky?

What about Ythan/furtive/George?

I don't know what Gamma meant about Owl.

Merry Christmas.

I am very sick and delirious so please excuse me for a day

UNVOTE: tris

I don't have any read on George atm and I don't see how anyone could

I'm hoping with 23 players a few will have something to say about the slot. I see an AWOL slot with a weird post (224) who has been voteparked on tris slot. In a vaccum the slot is +scum and it's a good candidate for a D1 lim because it's also been low activity. Ranger and I think one other player town leaned George for some reason, so it seems worth digging here. That's why I chose them as a candidate.