i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Gimli]

@furtive: I didn't really see it as a miller claim + I do townread miller claims (even though my days of mafia are way behind me now for me to tell you what I generally townread). I think the phrasing is very specific and not particularly likely to be coming from scum, and I think elements' solve of the slot is sharp in a towny way.

[furtiveglance]

@furtive: I didn't really see it as a miller claim + I do townread miller claims (even though my days of mafia are way behind me now for me to tell you what I generally townread). I think the phrasing is very specific and not particularly likely to be coming from scum, and I think elements' solve of the slot is sharp in a towny way.

The phrasing was the opposite of specific - my role can interfere with investigatives or something.

McMenno is basically saying don't check me

I think Elements is town if McMenno is scum so we can agree on that

[Titus]

I am not sure if it is aware but crumbing certain roles is common on here.

I suspect that whatever Titus’s alignment unalive bombing is a part of it. It’s a matter of if she is actually an unalive bomber who is town or has some nasty evil explosion. It wouldn’t be above Titus if scum pick their roles since one of her favorites is when she was an unalive bomber and scum and town kept counter claiming her for no reason

*cries* While it's factually true that game was one of my favorites, it wasn't the role but how town kept imploding and eliminating the counterclaimers and how bad we befuddled town.

[Titus]

@furtive: I didn't really see it as a miller claim + I do townread miller claims (even though my days of mafia are way behind me now for me to tell you what I generally townread). I think the phrasing is very specific and not particularly likely to be coming from scum, and I think elements' solve of the slot is sharp in a towny way.

The phrasing was the opposite of specific - my role can interfere with investigatives or something.

McMenno is basically saying don't check me

I think Elements is town if McMenno is scum so we can agree on that

I find it odd that McMenno didn't say how his role interfered with investigations. Does it vanillize them? Roleblock them? Is he ascetic to them? Does it redirect them?

If he is negative utility, then we could use his ability to positive effect, if he had claimed it.

[Gimli]

@furtive: I didn't really see it as a miller claim + I do townread miller claims (even though my days of mafia are way behind me now for me to tell you what I generally townread). I think the phrasing is very specific and not particularly likely to be coming from scum, and I think elements' solve of the slot is sharp in a towny way.

The phrasing was the opposite of specific - my role can interfere with investigatives or something.

McMenno is basically saying don't check me

I think Elements is town if McMenno is scum so we can agree on that

the phrasing is very specific, like, 'dont hit me with investigatives in general' is a very specific thing to say. it's not a miller claim as there are more investigatives than just cop

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

[Gimli]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

[MathBlade]

I love how my question about why Titus / imaginality TR was mostly ignored /sarcasm

Re Kitten around “meh” could vote there
Re McMenno not enough to go off of.

I feel that people are being strategic vs hunting

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

[Titus]

I love how my question about why Titus / imaginality TR was mostly ignored /sarcasm

Re Kitten around “meh” could vote there
Re McMenno not enough to go off of.

I feel that people are being strategic vs hunting

Well, let's start using that to hunt. While you disagree with me on McMenno, there's enough here to start defining cliques in the game. From there, it's easier to determine scum.

I disagree on your conclusions (as I always do) but that doesn't mean we can't work together while disagreeing.

[Gimli]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

how do you feel about highprincess?

[Titus]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

My thought, especially when Frogsterking flipping town, is that's where scum are. They're happy with T v Ts all over the place, which is why I'm ok reassessing Ranger rather than just tunneling her.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

how do you feel about highprincess?

I don't know. I was gut scumreading it early, but then dropped it because I kind of townread how it questioned the mason crumbs in the game thread. I didn't think scum were likely to do that. The way it reacted just now with unvoting imaginality feels off - like why not unvote earlier?

[MathBlade]

I love how my question about why Titus / imaginality TR was mostly ignored /sarcasm

Re Kitten around “meh” could vote there
Re McMenno not enough to go off of.

I feel that people are being strategic vs hunting

Well, let's start using that to hunt. While you disagree with me on McMenno, there's enough here to start defining cliques in the game. From there, it's easier to determine scum.

I disagree on your conclusions (as I always do) but that doesn't mean we can't work together while disagreeing.

Have I not been responding to you? Not giving my reads?

What exactly am I not doing?

[furtiveglance]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

Haven't played with kitten around so I'm not sure whether they're usually like this, but based on their ISO I'd put them in the low end of null. What do you think of Lycanfire and Paterson? I have them all sort of null

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

Haven't played with kitten around so I'm not sure whether they're usually like this, but based on their ISO I'd put them in the low end of null. What do you think of Lycanfire and Paterson? I have them all sort of null

kitten around more active in this game as town: viewtopic.php?t=90036&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

They exhibited a certain zeal for scumhunting that I do not see here.

Lycanfire I had as town yesterday but need to hear from him more today. Paterson feels okay so far but also need more.

[MathBlade]

Like what you’re doing here is why I hate “cooperating” with those I don’t townread

If I don’t do something we both “agree” on I am not “cooperating”

I am just stating my opinion I don’t trust you.

This is a bastard game and I believe you would pick unalive bomber. Hell I’d believe you’d pick scum mason for the lolz.

I don’t want you to buddy me. I want you to convince me you’re town or someone else to do it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

how do you feel about highprincess?

I don't know. I was gut scumreading it early, but then dropped it because I kind of townread how it questioned the mason crumbs in the game thread. I didn't think scum were likely to do that. The way it reacted just now with unvoting imaginality feels off - like why not unvote earlier?

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[Titus]

Like what you’re doing here is why I hate “cooperating” with those I don’t townread

If I don’t do something we both “agree” on I am not “cooperating”

I am just stating my opinion I don’t trust you.

This is a bastard game and I believe you would pick unalive bomber. Hell I’d believe you’d pick scum mason for the lolz.

I don’t want you to buddy me. I want you to convince me you’re town or someone else to do it.

This is precisely how I try to. It's by working with you and helping you scumhunt rather than discourage it. My questions are deliberately open ended so you can fashion your own answers without my influence. At the end of the day, I am townreading you so I'd like to work with you rather than being combative. This is what I referred to as rivalry before. This butting heads happens every game.

If I argue reads with you, I'm discounted/ignored because I'm scummy. If someone tries to defend me, you just suppose I am partnered with them.

[Titus]

I love how my question about why Titus / imaginality TR was mostly ignored /sarcasm

Re Kitten around “meh” could vote there
Re McMenno not enough to go off of.

I feel that people are being strategic vs hunting

Well, let's start using that to hunt. While you disagree with me on McMenno, there's enough here to start defining cliques in the game. From there, it's easier to determine scum.

I disagree on your conclusions (as I always do) but that doesn't mean we can't work together while disagreeing.

Have I not been responding to you? Not giving my reads?

What exactly am I not doing?

This is reading into what I'm saying rather than listening. I'm not accusing you of not hunting. I'm just saying elaborating and expanding on the idea is good.

[Prince of Paterson]

Like they've now full claimed, but I don't think anything in their full claim made them any townier?

Well, beyond fullclaims just inspiring a bit more confidence than a flat "we're masons", there's the fact that Titus's claim of N5 Suicide Bomber recontextualizes their

very first

message into a big crumb:

Things need to go BOOM!

This one doubts a suicide bomber fakeclaim would be thought up as soon as THAT, especially the oddly specific combination of being an N4 bomber and a mason. Of course there's always room for Insane Shenanigans And Masterful Manipulation but. This one feels a lot better about it as a whole, it'd say.

I am not sure if it is aware but crumbing certain roles is common on here.

I suspect that whatever Titus’s alignment unalive bombing is a part of it. It’s a matter of if she is actually an unalive bomber who is town or has some nasty evil explosion. It wouldn’t be above Titus if scum pick their roles since one of her favorites is when she was an unalive bomber and scum and town kept counter claiming her for no reason

Not sure what to expect here. As someone who knows Titus, would you expect that it's likely for her to crumb in her very first post as scum and lock herself in to a specific claim?

There's not a lot of benefit that I can see to claiming suicide bomber as scum even in the event that it's true, because the role can only be confirmed by the player's death.

[Gimli]

I'm dead certain titus isn't scum in this game

[xyzzy]

votecount 2.04

my roommate and I finished the anime Bochhi the Rock tonight. it's pretty good. it's one of those shows where all the characters are just kinda generically cute with similar facial structures, but hey, sometimes that's just what you're gonna get watching an anime. speaking of, I joined the #anime slack channel in my new job today. we'll see if there are any exciting developments there!

4 players voting for McMenno (Elements, furtiveglance, imaginality, Titus)
3 players voting for imaginality (Prince of Paterson, UltimateGamer, Ranger)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia)
1 player voting for Titus (KittyTacky)
1 player voting for Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 player voting for HighPrincessErinys (Gimli)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Enchant)

7 players not voting (McMenno, Lycanfire, Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, kitten around, MathBlade, HighPrincessErinys)

with 20 votes, it takes 11 to eliminate.

mod notes:

[Prince of Paterson]

I would like to hear what MathBlade has to say.

[MathBlade]

I would like to hear what MathBlade has to say.

It’s more a gut/vibe thing.

She’s seen me do similar in Shadowrun. I was scum stuck in a bad position and hinted at some jailkeeper crumbs and buddies the crap out of JaeReed and Frozen Angel to turn what was a scum stomp into a win.

Mainly mechanically I see how Titus/imaginality can be scum due to the redirection/Busdrive/whatever/shenanigans.

I can see her doing scum panic early.

I don’t really see why people TR Titus and the amount of TRs on her scares me.

I really can’t expand while working much sorry.