BooneyToonz XVII: The Winston Chronicles [END]

[Gimli]

first

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boonskiies what did you do

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VOTE: Deal With The Devil

something something clever metaphor about STARS

give me a clever metaphor about stars

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imagine every townie is a miller

if every townie is a miller then all the scum knows that all town are millers and they're all gonna hardclaim miller and that's the game 15 people claiming miller

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elly p town and I like her leans

elly can I sheep whatever you wanna do this game?

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also 'hey long time no see pal' to you too HPE

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unless boon really trolled us i think scum would be informed about millers

an attempt at using the informed mutation possibly

I like that you specifically brought this up
Your being the first miller claim had me side-eyeing its authenticity because of exactly what you said

I brought it up first

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elly p town and I like her leans

why

they have that energy that they don't care to emulate as scum (as far as my experience with elly goes)

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okay i am in no way going to serious play this game day but what i am going to do is accept applications for an alliance.

u might ask urself, what is the benefit to an alliance with tanuki? Well let me tell u:
1) I am on the scum team so I can tell my teammates to night kill u if u desire death or avoid u like the plague. Dealers choice on that once u sign up.
2) Great health benefits. See above
3) I won't vote you. Unless you want me to for some reason.
4) I am more likely to sheep you. I will only sheep my accepted allies
5) I may have magical mystic powers that will grant your wishes. I may not though so this is a buyer beware kind of item.


Application:
Name: put ur name here dummy
Qualifications: idk what makes u a good ally
References: hopefully someone in this game because we can't discuss this outside of this game.
Personal statement: a short one two sentences of what your current goals are with this game.

VOTE: tanuki

please be town this game is madness already without you being scum on top of it

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VOTE: Gimli

hi

[Gimli]

I think everyone posting in the first couple of pages are probably town and scum are more likely in the nonposters either way

I agree with your townleans stage

[Gimli]

I think everyone posting in the first couple of pages are probably town and scum are more likely in the nonposters either way

This certainly is a take.

Explain why?

-Drew

I felt the miller claims appeared genuine, and perhaps if scum is having to pretend to be miller in order to blend in they'd look a little awkward doing that? Either over the top with it or writing in some other way that may denounce that. anyway it's not an incredible read, it's a page 2 thing I guess.

[Gimli]

hmm
i am also a miller

honestly i have to wonder if perhaps we should have people claim if they are not miller though with how many have claimed it already

though i have been led to believe by some information i have that there should be people that are both not miller and are town
unless part of my role is just there to mess with me

I'm under the impression that no one should be claiming miller anymore because it might be, like, all our actual PRs

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question to all millers: does the miller part of your role (not other parts) have the mutated modifier?

definitely nobody answer that thanks

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VOTE: Gimli

For now

even though you agreed with my elly read? expand on why you're voting me pls

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So, who are Millers?
Snivy, GammaEmerald, Stage, Erinnys, Pentameter, Theta, 2-Dragon, Aneninen, OopsieDaisie.

I am also a miller
i thought "fellow millers" was enough to imply that but i guess not

I definitely caught that

it felt like the most organic miller claimant of them all in a way

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I think oopsie/ali/mariar contain some scums

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at the time you did meaning you agreed with my perception about that one player, which even if elly is being scummy rn wouldn't change that fact.

I felt the reasoning you gave for scumleaning my post about p1-2 people being towny was pretty forced, which makes sense in a way cause you're having to expand on what might be just a feeling and coming up with reasons for feelings can look awkward, but otoh I feel like it looks artificial like scum fake solving (especially the part about creating a divide between early posters and everyone else which is so over the top)

I don't see how elly is being scummy either way, what are their 'scum!EL things' now?

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what have you done that's so towny, oopsie?

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VOTE: alisae

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that feels backwards, you should be feeling yourself as towny before demanding that players townread you even if theyre great at it

and the way you talk about elements, wouldn't it make more sense if theyre scum to just townread you from the get go and have you in their pocket instead?

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VOTE: alisae

Why vote Alisae over me btw? You've had a lot of questions regarding me and my reads so far and have mentioned that you think I'm as likely scum as Alisae, what differentiates us?

we talked, you're right we don't see eye to eye on things and everything you said are things I take issue with, but I don't know how likely they are to be scum indicative other than just things I don't agree with... like your idea that elly should be vibing you as town could be the kind of sollipsistic point of view that town has a lot of the time. so I'm torn with you.

Ali is avoiding the dumpster fire and I wanna see more of er

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I didn't claim miller

I like stage's posts, they're towny, I don't see how I'm misrepping oopsie about elly but whatever

wrt elly's leans that I liked, I feel that their reads made sense with the content posted and I liked that they could squeeze some sensible townleans out of it. its not 'just meta' or 'just their reads' or even if I agree or not with their reads, but that elly behaved in a way that's both reminiscent of their town game and seem to be coming from a genuine ignorant and gamesolving point of view, that's it

I didnt like the latter parts of el vs oopsie but I still very much like the rest

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scum!ali needs to build er own dumpster fire to perform which takes time and effort, while town!ali is incapable of not engaging meaningfully with the game even if e gets distant and obtuse about it.

ali entered the game twice without engaging and that's reminiscent of election game when e replaced in and the game was hard to get into cause e was scum. I think a game where everyone is claiming miller might be the sort of headache to get into as scum (I'm not sure cause I'm town this game!)

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Spoiler: iambic sequence on tanuki

I don't intend to scum hunt at all this game day
You will have to forgive me because i will be too busy drunk posting in the scum pt

VOTE: Tanuki

More oft than nought this post is made by scum.

Tanuki's posts just don't sit right with me.

I am not town though and would never claim as such

I missed that Arcanine is posting these.
So I will change my vote to something else:

VOTE: CCS

this is two things that are scummy, 1) coming back to the same take cause you don't have any other takes and 2) self aware about it that you feel the need to backtrack and 'vote something else', and that's an empty vote that doesn't do anything with the game

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I was between responding and ignoring you, stage, and I'll choose the latter since I'm coming off as phony to you (and that's not about to change)

I must do something else now

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iambic is missing that his one scumread that he keeps pointing at is literally claiming to not be town? yeah IDK

VOTE: iambic

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I'm commuting (not a claim) but I should point out that from very early on there's no reason town should pile further miller claims, cause the phrasing and momentum of those can make it easier for scum to fish for power roles (i.e. "vanilla" miller claimants vs claimants with miller and something else in their role, which has been crumbed and flat out claimed already).

Thats to VIP who thinks I might have extra information cause I don't want people claiming anything else rn. It's just common sense I guess.

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Aneninen the "Very Important Pigeon"

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scum!ali needs to build er own dumpster fire to perform which takes time and effort, while town!ali is incapable of not engaging meaningfully with the game even if e gets distant and obtuse about it.

ali entered the game twice without engaging and that's reminiscent of election game when e replaced in and the game was hard to get into cause e was scum. I think a game where everyone is claiming miller might be the sort of headache to get into as scum (I'm not sure cause I'm town this game!)

I recently played a game where Ali repped in as town and basically solved the game in her first page. She was silly and fun about it, but she def engaged meaningfully.

And so what do you think of Ali in this game?

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scum!ali needs to build er own dumpster fire to perform which takes time and effort, while town!ali is incapable of not engaging meaningfully with the game even if e gets distant and obtuse about it.

ali entered the game twice without engaging and that's reminiscent of election game when e replaced in and the game was hard to get into cause e was scum. I think a game where everyone is claiming miller might be the sort of headache to get into as scum (I'm not sure cause I'm town this game!)

I recently played a game where Ali repped in as town and basically solved the game in her first page. She was silly and fun about it, but she def engaged meaningfully.

And so what do you think of Ali in this game?

this is such a bad post too… this does not seem like town genuinely asking someone a question, it seems like gimli is scum trying to influence merlyn. why would town!gimli ask this question? he knows he won’t get any meaningful read on merlyn or alisae from asking it.

you make so many assumptions. how do you know what I get from asking that? how do you know what I think of merlyn, or how I expect or don't expect merlyn to respond?

since you went there:

I do not townread merlyn and I thought her comment abour alisae was empty commentary, with so little relevance to the game that I suspected the attitude behind the post. I decided to ask so I can pick merlyn's brain here and see where she is coming from etc.

clearly we don't think alike so it helps if you consider you don't know what I do as town, even though by your posting I'm assuming we played at least one game together at some point

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okay i think i might just sheep gimli this game

@gimli should i vote iambic, merlyn or ali?

pedit: i changed because i wanted to gimmick sign but it seems like std didn't

I'm sheeping elements, let's see what they say

@elly: who do you think is the scummiest between iambic, merlyn and alisae?

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this is a fantastic early limpool btw dragons

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I'm afraid of millers this game is my worst nightmare

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my point about alisae is that e is failing to engage meaningfully and that's the reason I'm scumreading er. as you just said, your experience with town!ali is different from what e did so far, and I find the subsequent disangements with the game reminiscent of another game e played as scum against me, in which e won by coasting on the dumpster fire thread.

for e to replicate er meta of caring as town, e needed a level of engagement that's tiresome in the current threadstate. it's a thin read, whatever, it's my read, I ain't trying to convince anyone.

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I don't love elements recent posting

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My role has two parts, and I was thinking everyone's did

No, everyone else role has 3 parts. Only scum have two parts.
Way to out urself

damn

VOTE: merlyn

@elly so you think this was scummy?

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can you expand on merlyn read otherwise, since the self vote is the one thing you mentioned not liking?

or anything else, really

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the meta does not fully address my complaints about gimli's elements townread but i only even skimmed gimli's meta for 2 minutes before finding large numbers of town posts that ping me as fake

unfortunately I have a tendency of coming off as fake to some people, I guess its just a playstyle thing. Like that you went ahead and meta'd me. :thumbs_up:

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I don't love elements recent posting

how much don't you love it? i felt it was meh nai but not scummy.

~hero

Elly quickly lost that initial FIRE, it feels, and I don't think the game got uninteresting so it's starting to remind me of their approach in HMS mutiny (where elly played disengaged and beat me as scum)

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I forgot that people on MS don't start posting content until D3

not whats going on in this game and no you didn't forget anything

your last post is awful and, like this one, seems to come from a disingenuous place

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what do we think of iambic?

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iambic feels a bit gutsy, I think on reflection I give the play so far a slight town lean

yeah maybe

I feel like I'm barking up wrong trees or maybe randomly barking up right trees but it all feels flimsy, and I think partially my townreads are based off *this person is trying to communicate*, I don't feel like I have ONE very strong town lean or anything like that, and I see my position in the game being the one particularly difficult where I'm targeted both as LHF and as pocket and I see scum choosing both approaches, I wouldn't be surprised if there's both scum voting me and strong townleaning me rn

I need coffee

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oh wow are you going to play?

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mariar is my mason leave her alone

dw I'll be clear cause I'm voting mafia.

Maybe Elements will be the counter wagon that'd be fun.

you're not voting mafia and there may come a time when both me and ali are dead that because you chose being obtuse and annoying af on d1 you will be flipped and we will lose and I won't care

[Gimli]

AFTER INACTIVE PLAYERS

alisae and fucking mariar

do you think I'm stupid

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how do you expect anything resembling solving if you don't play the thing yourself and talk to people? how can I get you to play unless I bug you?

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lets go back to my question

do you think this is the path I choose as mafia? going after you and mariar as *inactive players*?

do you think it makes sense that I see you coming back to this thread again and again and not do anything meaningful and think it's reminiscent of election? cause I remember saying exactly that to you, a few times, in that dumpster fire of a game before repping out.

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if she was playing youd be playing anyway and its all an act, there I said it

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yeah idk I'm full of regrets

what do you think of iambic?

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@elly: can you expand on your merlyn read? particularly what made her scummy in your eyes and what you don't like about the self vote thanks (I think I asked you yesterday but you didn't respond so)

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Maybe oopsie can be my first very strong tl

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VOTE: elements

It breaks my heart to do this

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it's found but you've apparently been bouncing all over the place with votes huh

I read this as a town thing to do

Same here.

HPE, why are you pushing hydra dissonance as a scummy thing? All this shade you are giving DragonHero seems performative, like you think you can push this as a wagon, not that you think they are scum.

Also, I thought I asked it earlier of Iambic(possible I only thought of it without putting pen to paper), but can you elaborate on what made my first post stuff and why this makes it scummy.....I have a theory on the intentions of your vote on us, but want to explains things a bit more before I discuss that.

-Drew

welcome to the game, man

I'm townlocking drew for this post alone

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okay i am convinced. drew can be an ally
but alliana cannot.
i don't know how that will work out, but we will see how that goes

whichever head posted this, can you tell me what pinged as town!drew that made you write that?

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alisae is maybe scum er posts are f tier

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alisae talking about fire!traitor is a ? tinfoil hat and an even worse one because its about firebringer, its filler that gets nowhere just like when ali is scum and does that (the thing I call 'er own dumpster fire')

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VOTE: HPE

I do think drew's read should be followed

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I think you don't go around talking about FIREBRINGER signaling TRAITOR on d1 when he always does things like that or things that can be interpreted like that

you're just too good for this line of thinking especially when you posted so little else

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you do remember hollow knight I hope

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hi iambic nice to play with you again

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yes you are

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both hydras are probably town

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you're just too good for this line of thinking especially when you posted so little else

this is probably true but has alisae not stated multiple times that he is unfocused and fluffposting though. i can see alisae being town and just doing random stuff to pass the time

without telling me who you are, do you think I'd be suspecting you if I knew your main?

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no im stupid, i forgot about the std hydra

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I think I vibe with std this game also yeah

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I won't have time this weekend

I read everything everyone posted. skygazer's altslip gave me a smile for some reason. my leans remain pretty much the same, I'm on HPE but can move to ali if people prefer that.

sorry about not townlocking you and forgetting about you for a second there dragons </3. I do think you're town, so there's that.

I like drew suspecting me for clearing him, probably not a path he takes as scum.

I think elements being deadpan about the wagon on them is typical of them regardless of alignment but I got some minor town pings from it. I do think the way elly ignores the thread reminiscent of their scum game though (something elly agrees).

I'm pretty much back on monday <3

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you do remember hollow knight I hope

what you're probably not aware of is TM really burnt me out so I've been approaching games with a more chill attitude. Not to mention in TM I randed my weaker alignment and I had to really really force myself to play the way I did in my TM game. I kind of entered a flow state that I lost by the start of D2.

I entered TM burnt out, fwiw. also I should apologize for that, playing with you and dats proved too much for me, and I ran away from the site.

I want us to be TvT for once, I don't think that has happened yet. well, you know.

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i think its alisae and elements

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mariar posts are what they are but maybe that means she is town that FAKER

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hi elements from HMS mutiny i did not miss you

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the flashbacks are so painful

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oopsie seems like obvtown to me

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so anyway,

VOTE: elements

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I feel like FBer did exactly what you said he'd do as town

thats @std

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@aneninen: IDK why I thought HPE was scummy, re-reading its ISO I think its nullish but vibing just the right amount of HPE for me

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no i meant FB would try to solve the game a little bit

i haven't seen that

~std

consider that alisae is scum

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I feel like he caught er early on and didn't drop that read even slightly which feels like good ol firebringer to me

thats at std again

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thats a lot for d1 though

idk, there's slots like penguin who did nothing, and there's people I know I won't be able to read like VIP. I'm townleaning a bit on everyone that I have some sort of lean on

elements and alisae are playing to their typical scum personas

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maybe the stage is scum but I'm not going that far d1

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VOTE: alisae

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thats a fine core other than alisae who is scum alongside elements

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thats a fine core other than alisae who is scum alongside elements

Can you give me a 100 word minimum explanation on why Ali is scum

alisae is playing the scummiest I ever saw er play. remember when e was saying firebringer was traitor signaling? that's a scumtell, e would never care about that if e was town cause e is good at mafia.

all the other posts are weak sauce, commentary, blending in, charming people, it's all pocket-y and very little substance. the substance e manages to put forward feels convoluted, inorganic, and empty of all life. I have no idea why e is getting townreads.

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I'm the only one who's paying attention obviously

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I have explained this already: firebringer plays in a way that you can ALWAYS identify something he does as traitor signaling. it's absolutely meaningless, so not how alisae would parse out town from scum, especially early d1. and that was a convoluted balloon of nothing, just like everything else e posted, IMO.

you're not getting the same vibe and that's fine I guess we disagree

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thats a fine core other than alisae who is scum alongside elements

Can you give me a 100 word minimum explanation on why Ali is scum

alisae is playing the scummiest I ever saw er play. remember when e was saying firebringer was traitor signaling? that's a scumtell, e would never care about that if e was town cause e is good at mafia.

all the other posts are weak sauce, commentary, blending in, charming people, it's all pocket-y and very little substance. the substance e manages to put forward feels convoluted, inorganic, and empty of all life. I have no idea why e is getting townreads.

81 words and not very convincing. A generous D+, see me after class.

you just don't get it

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I mean its fine its a team game you can kill me

but flip ali and elly (and the stage) afterwards kthxbye

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nobody cares, theta, only scum is engaging with this

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I can spam this for 20 minutes

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gamma scumsiding so much this game she can only be town

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if you say elements and the stage those are my guesses already (for postgame glory)

no idea on a 4th

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why am I scum Gimli?

why am I scum elements? you're voting me

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you feel like HMS and not like doctors game

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that makes you town? okay

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why am I scum Gimli?

why am I scum elements? you're voting me

Don't deflect, I asked first

now that I answered (you feel just like HMS and as you said it yourself, you are in your scum meta). why am I scum?

[Gimli]

a game we played in which elements was scum

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I will not click that topic

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what case, what meta?

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ERRATIC AND TUNNELY

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what did you understand?

[Gimli]

maybe you're a little erratic yourself

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she describes herself as hedgy

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would you consolidate on the stage, oopsie?

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Anyway while this one is here can you not be scum this game please Gimli? It'd be nice to keep having our back and forths without you actually being scum this time.

I feel like we barely talked to each other this time

but sure I'm town again, I'm guessing you're town again unless this post is an awkward way to cast a vote on me later on

the only person I'm seeing eye to eye with is firebringer, everyone else is reading some different game from mine it feels

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I don't think Gimli is an erratic and tunnely player as town. They're actually quite solid and at moments they can even be sharp.

i agree, and this is why i'm scumreading him currently. on the surface while he has some townie things, i just don't see the obvtown thought process he normally possesses. and he also kinda knows how to lead and control the thread, which he just isn't doing here.

as to tunnely, let these posts speak for themselves:

Spoiler: evidence gimli doesn't tunnel as town

VOTE: flea

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?

u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

I read through all that performance

I think it was towny

I don't wanna flip flea anymore

okay

that enchant vote was bad too

VOTE: dragoneater

I think DE is behaving well here and I think townreading the thread makes a lot of sense since most players have indeed been towny

feel free to click the links and view gimli's iso in those games.

I need people supporting me if I'm gonna lead and control, but I'm not being listened to and no one likes my leans and my reasons, there's not much I can do here lol

I think (elements, the stage, alisae) contain a good portion of the scum team. alisae's posting improved A_LITTLE_BIT but that's from absolute scumbutt to something alisae can def post as scum.

elly is doing what elly does as scum, notice they started an argument with me asking why I scumread them and disappeared from the thread again once I asked them anything. that's not the level of play elements puts forward when they're town.

the stage is pure hedge, afraid to commit to stances. just like gamma, I guess, but I've scumread gamma a lot before when she was town so I'm not as confident.

a lot of people I see as pretty much clear until much later on in the game, which makes the POE kinda short to sort through anyway. tanuki, camel, oopsie, 2x dragon, devil, are all in my town pile. I think theta with whatever theta is doing with the claim is probably town as well. that makes the unsorted (gamma, iambic, merlyn, HPE, anen, mariar and penguin). out of those I think maybe HPE is playing to its usual self, anen is the sort that's probably town and I just will never really townread it, mariar is playing much worse than if she randed mafia probably, and I guess I got some townpings from iambic and merlyn even though thats thin. I've been thinking gamma is town in case I'm right and elly and ali are scum. penguin hasn't done anything.

so idk, those are my leans anyway, I guess they're not resonating to anyone else so shrug

[Gimli]

what did you understand?

i was not paying attention and i thought that the bulk of alisae’s tanuki scumread was the meta part. or maybe i was paying attention and i thought that the meta read was the most convincing part of the scumread. i think it was probably the latter >.<

that feels like a scummy kind of not paying attention to posts, in the sense that you don't have to cause you already know the alignments and what kind of stuff you're trying to push

[Gimli]

@ali you see that's not the kind of attitude I expect from you when you're town. I expect you to either start townreading me or keep scumreading me and not form a counterwagon with the person I'm pushing. you have to be thinking associatives, AT SOME LEVEL, and if you're really scumreading me then maybe going after elements who's going after me doesn't sit right with town!you?

IDK if Im making sense to anyone

@dragon: wait who are you?

[Gimli]

@dragon: I was guessing right (I think) until you started admonishing me for being on BAD WAGONS lmao I guess that felt out of character

I'm on good wagons

the thing about elements is that they're oozing townyness when they're town. I can go to one of their towngames that I played with them, or you can just check HMS mutiny yourself when they were scum and notice how the joker is catching them, and the reasoning behind it. do you remember? he was saying elements had a great amount of reads and stances when they were town, and in HMS game they didn't, couldn't come up with natural reads, and that was the case absolutely throughout that game. its feeling more and more like this is the case here.

[Gimli]

sorry

okay let me do the legwork of proving elly is in their scum meta

[Gimli]

this took forever to find, other than all the trauma associated with skimming through that thread. but anyway here is the case for elly scum in that game, in general. the buzzwords are 'burden of profficiency', meaning elly was playing several levels below what's expected from them as town.

I have this very same experience with town!elements, in a now kinda old game that they absolutely became lock clear very early d1 and never dropped even a little bit from my reads.

If Elements is scum then that does not bode well for the flip for either of these wagons

Your statement isn't true because Elements switched her vote in 1052 for a reason. It's scum's job to trick Town into throwing. That's what she's doing: trying to trick Town into Town throwing. It's level 1 wifom.


PEDIT:
Elements was one of Town's sharpest solvers in my scum game I played against town!Elements. She had a full readslist in her second post which she updated throughout D1. She aggressively pushed one of my buddies D1 and made sure they died D2, then did VCA and basically proved that I was their partner on D3. There really is no comparison to her play here and even without meta she's easily findable as scum here IMHO. I guess I can see how it would be confusing a little bit if you've never played with her before and are taking her fake dumb tells at face value.

I'll do a more in depth comparison on her divergent town-scum meta D2.

This is the game I played with her fyi:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89984&p=13562279#p13562279

[Gimli]

I apologise for quoting something that's so heavily misgendering elements but I haven't had my coffee yet and didn't notice it

[Gimli]

both elements and ooops are town and this last page was kind of pointless

okay I'm sold

it wasn't pointless to me though

[Gimli]

sorry

okay let me do the legwork of proving elly is in their scum meta

I don't think you needed to prove it, I've already said I am

whatever

but now that I have your attention, why are you scumreading me?

[Gimli]

(its past page 50, btw, fire)

[Gimli]

both elements and ooops are town and this last page was kind of pointless

Yea I'm annoyingly starting to see Town!Daisy now

see I don't like this, it feels fake

why is it 'annoyingly'? what annoys you about parsing out players? I also feel like oopsie has been towny for quite a while now and you were the one slot maintaining a scumread, what's worse it was a OMGUSy one and I know you can do better than that

[Gimli]

People reading me because "you can do better" smh

burden of profficiency mate

something I learned in that game.

[Gimli]

Damn merlyn solved somewhat. You can have this back for now

VOTE: Alisae

I'm not ready to trust elements yet. One of the elements is fire and we know what happens when they attack

starting to think maybe gamma and stage if it isnt elly

I dont think gamma works with elly and alisae together for self awareness reasons

[Gimli]

@merlyn: I liked their interaction in the thread until FBer posted that, which got me to reply, and then I kept reading through and thinking through things. IDK if I read that elements post before or after replying to kanuki, but it's not relevant. whats relevant is that thinking through, that post illuminates both things I didn't like about it perspective wise (I don't think 'annoyingly' is an adjective that makes much sense cause its not like oopsie is being annoying, unreasonable, or anything like that), and things I don't like about El (their treatment of oopsie throughout the gameday).

[Gimli]

I see, yeah that makes sense.

I took it to mean something different because of their positions in the game, with oopsie and elements heavily scumreading each other and whatnot. so it felt like doing a narrative spin, cause although they have been at each other neither is loud or appears tunnely.

I don't like elements this game but I dont know if I'd wanna flip them today

[Gimli]

ali/gamma/maria/stage

I'd flip any of them

[Gimli]

I'm trusting firebringer over myself about you

among other reasons

why are you choosing this to engage with me

[Gimli]

what do you think of my kill list

[Gimli]

why are you choosing this to engage with me

I'm vengeful and want to drag you to the grave with me

you know I'm always down for an early death

[Gimli]

ali/gamma/maria/stage

I'd flip any of them

@Gimli what is your impression of me individually? Both in this game and in general.

in general I take you as a lively player in most games, and when you're town I think you let your emotions roll to the thread in a way I normally identify as towny. even though we don't see eye to eye so much, I can often sense where you're coming from.

In this game I haven't really felt you and so your name goes down the POE. I don't expect you to share my points of view but you're not looking like you're trying to solve anyway.

[Gimli]

@dragon: wait who are you?

i can't believe you missed my super obvious hints gimli

have a dig at my iso, especially where i mention you.

Sir, I have had people not be able to tell who was posting out of me and marcistar when she never tags posts in any way. People don’t bother to tell hydra heads apart, ever.

I know who that is

I had a reason to believe that person read HMS I guess

[Gimli]

I didn't say scumtell, I'm saying I'm not townreading your play

[Gimli]

Two Headed Dragon [Hero At Heart + Save The Dragons] - town, both heads playing their town game imo
Iambic Pentameter - idk I wish she'd play some
Merlyn - I think she is town and I especially liked our most recent interaction where she defends El from my misinterpretation while maintaining the scumread, just cause I feel she acted naturally about it, and not convoluted like scum does.
Theta Alpine - I'm trusting whatever claim theta is going with is too complicated to be something scum is doing. we don't see eye to eye on anything but that's expected.
Deal With The Devil [Doctor Drew + Alianna] - love the drew this game even though he doesnt love me back, which happens to be the way I like it
Gamma Emerald - I stated all about you already
The Stage - probably scum, too many words and not a lot of looking towny with them
CamelCasedSnivy - idk but claimed the thing first so its town
HighPrincessErinys - idk but has the ENERGY of town HPE
Elements - eh
Gimli -
Aneninen - I'm not trying to parse this player out
OopsieDaisy - towny
MariaR - scummy
PenguinPower - a little scummy maybe
Alisae - scummy
Tanuki the Bold [Cephrir + Firebringer] - very much town and firebringer is the only person making sense of this game on top of it

so thats how you became the 4th gamma

[Gimli]

@gamma: check your post considering I have alisae and (at the time of posting) elements as my strongest scum leans, and dragons and tanuki are alongside my top townreads

Ngl I a think all of Tanuki, Gimli, and Dragons are on the low end for me. Already said what I dislike about Dragons, Tanuki’s getting upset at me calling the Elenents voters out bugs me, and I think Alisae makes a good point on Gimli overlooking eir actual gameplay.

[Gimli]

I actually kinda like stage now

[Gimli]

a bit random push on penguin but idk I vibe with it I guess

[Gimli]

Why do you not want to vote one of your strongest scum leads?

youre being deliberately dense

[Gimli]

Why do you not want to vote one of your strongest scum leads?

youre being deliberately dense

Reply to this with your 7000th post!

6900th!

thanks for noticing it I guess

[Gimli]

I'm not gonna claim anything

[Gimli]

I actually kinda like stage now

what are u liking

I like the anen push

the pp one not so much but unless we got a bunch of scum in pidgeonholes she has no reason to make a big shift, so it might be like a towny thing

[Gimli]

ali/gamma/maria/stage

I'd flip any of them

gamma is obvtown u crazy

I think I'll sheep this response especially if you flip scum

[Gimli]

lets end the day

[Gimli]

penguin ain't playing and IDK if I wanna flip him although when he is town he doesnt play d1 but is around making ENEMIES and this version is a bit too chill and disconnected

[Gimli]

lets see if the El flip goes through without me cause I don't feel like flipping them either and I think if I don't vote thats one less townie voting wrong when they're town

idk if that makes sense to anyone

[Gimli]

]we have multiple people who are confident in being able to read elements saying they're a wolf.

we do?

[Gimli]

No one wants Gimli anymore? That's disappointing.

What's the case for Penguin?

-Drew

I mean I'll take dead thread over this thread

[Gimli]

i mean if gimli is not miller then investigative roles can do their thing on gimli so

would prefer elements in that situation

I never claimed to be or not to be anything

[Gimli]

gimli and daisy don't want to flip elements anymore

[Gimli]

I mean daisy can speak for herself I guess, but that was the vibe I was getting from her posts

[Gimli]

Agree with PP needing pressure, and my read on El has gotten a bit wobbly after our previous interaction.

UNVOTE: Elements
VOTE: PP

Tho the reason my read is wobbly is less El and more what others have said surrounding the push.

its wobbly

im also wobbly on elements

[Gimli]

I dont think you push a null read on page 57 as a townie sorry if im tunneling sorry if youre town im never changing my mind about this

[Gimli]

...

for the 1000th time, theta

I did not claim

anything

[Gimli]

I am NOT a 'non-miller claim'

this is really annoying me rn

[Gimli]

what

[Gimli]

firebringer please save this game

[Gimli]

what is this magic sway you have on people ali

[Gimli]

can we just flip me and then you play d2 with the knowledge of how much I was suffering having to read alisae openwoofing tactics working?

cause there will be investigates on me now because of theta and I will not want to play d2

just flip alisae when you know I'm town that's all I'm asking

[Gimli]

alisae is nearly always scum with this approach, I don't get how that doesn't get across to other people

its page 57 alisae wants to end the day on a nullread based off strong scumleans from other people that ARE NOT REAL

it doesnt matter if elements is town or scum for this alisae approach to be indecent and not how e plays as town

[Gimli]

VOTE: gimli

sure lets do this i won't stand getting it across to you d2 anyway theta

[Gimli]

if we're flipping El I'd rather have more thread time to talk to them

[Gimli]

tell theta she is in over her head with miller spec

[Gimli]

oh sorry I'm being rude I guess

[Gimli]

e is trying to look town

[Gimli]

I dont wanna talk about that alisae read cause its unfortunately right but not how I'm supposed to be parsed cause Ive been towny as all hell this entire game I think

not to a bunch of people but I shouldve been to alisae

[Gimli]

I have used willing to die as a tool to clear myself as mafia particularly in hollow knight

it was a major turning point for me

but this is a much different situation and one where I'm just being mad at things which is my towntell i guess

[Gimli]

good morning fellow mafiascummers

[Gimli]

VOTE: HPE

I'm making firebringer a double voter

[Gimli]

okay

[Gimli]

@El: what do you make of theta's claim, though? doesn't it seem a bit too convoluted or complicated to come from scum super early in the game? not just being a miller but having a role that makes her believe there are non-millers who are town (like thaumaturge).

though I see the scumcase against theta, I feel like trying to parse her based off posting alone to be incredibly difficulty given how far apart we are in terms of mafia thinking.

[Gimli]

I have an alternative

VOTE: mariar

[Gimli]

anen is not right that it doesn't help town

you potatoes openclaiming everything doesn't help town

[Gimli]

"if youre miller you need to openclaim miller" is a sad, dated, boring way to play, and even worse in a game where many people claimed miller already

[Gimli]

VOTE: HPE

Prob going back on Ele but I'm down for some theory testing.

what theory testing

[Gimli]

anen is not right that it doesn't help town

you potatoes openclaiming everything doesn't help town

Wait-oh.

We claimed Miller.
Some of us claimed Miller and "something else, not revealed yet".
Only me claimed Miller and "something that's most probably also negative utility".
That's very, very far from "everything".

So why is your behaviour helpful for the town again? Your post hasn't answered this.

you're making PR hunting easy

[Gimli]

it's not you, the individual, making PR hunting easy

it's 11 miller claimants, many of them with weird or obvious crumbs to other parts of their role, many of them with hints at being 'vanilla' millers

I wasn't grilling anyone for it. however, you and theta particularly just can't seem to understand we might have different ideas on how to play the game, and that me not claiming anything can have a very legitimate, very towny reasoning behind

I'm done talking about this hopefully

[Gimli]

"if youre miller you need to openclaim miller" is a sad, dated, boring way to play, and even worse in a game where many people claimed miller already

Dumbass
Miller is a negative utility, and one that provides outs to scum by being a possibility. Having the meta be to claim it early prevents that. My homesite had a period of games where without fail there would be a negative-utility massclaim where everyone declared if their role had some sort of negative function to being targeted or not.

its not right just because its meta

[Gimli]

I didnt really vibe with HPE

[Gimli]

tanuki, what are you thinking of

[Gimli]

I didnt really vibe with HPE

the wagon or the player. cause i think the wagon is good.

the player

I was kind of wondering your thoughts on HPE, I think I'll move my vote there

[Gimli]

VOTE: HPE

[Gimli]

I dislike christmas

we all secretly hate it

[Gimli]

I think I'm townreading elements

[Gimli]

Qualifications: 1 Star Kayak qualified and Stage Pyrotechnic safety trained

my goodness

[Gimli]

Qualifications: 1 Star Kayak qualified and Stage Pyrotechnic safety trained

my goodness

those are all my qualifications, I thought an exhaustive list would be best

well those are cool

my qualifications would bore you to tears

[Gimli]

if maria is scum then she bussed at some point and I think it makes sense for it to be the HPE vote since she went on about testing a theory or whatever when she voted HPE

[Gimli]

lol

[Gimli]

the stage's avatar is scummy

it's just, the type of avatar that scum would have

i will not be taking any questions

p.s. i wonder how long it will take us to flip alisae's scummy butt.

Lets Just do It

[Gimli]

VOTE: alisae

@el: if you really think me and tanuki are town, you could join this wagon with us

Maybe this finds momentum

If Mariar is town and reads this game with any attention I bet she'll agree

[Gimli]

Fber asked if anyone had a decent reason to tr aliase and everyone ignored cause there isnt any

[Gimli]

(I'll still hop back to hpe if this fails)

[Gimli]

<3

[Gimli]

VIP, I know I'm the last person you'd listen to, but it seems like a good idea to just holster your variance heavy ability for tonight

[Gimli]

Fber asked if anyone had a decent reason to tr aliase and everyone ignored cause there isnt any

I ignored because:
1) I've already stated why I townread Alisae in this thread, don't rly wanna have to sit and repeat myself
2) It was clear FB was more interested in just clowning on any townreads on Ali rather than actually being willing to have a constructive convo around it.

why can't you close your eyes and just trust me

[Gimli]

oopsie I literally never lied to you

[Gimli]

my fear, if I'm right and ali is scum, is that whatever d1 flip isn't ali, scum will NK tanuki and I'll be the village idiot screaming d2 - often to my own demise - and after I'm dead and my posts are too scattered, you will be endgamed by ali

there's no one in this game capable of 1v1ing ali after d2

[Gimli]

I need more from drew and from Hero at heart especifically, I know you're both better than this

[Gimli]

UNVOTE:

@Gimli

can you give me a from the top rundown of why Alisae is scum for you? Also, if you haven’t recently, could you post a readlist with like a sentence on each player?

To your latter question, I have done that somewhat recently even though my leans changed a bit (I'm scum reading hpe pretty heavily now and I'm townreading El)

This is alisae's scum game, the tone, the irrelevance of it. It's like you never played with town Ali before to know the difference. E has zero towny emotions this game, it's a shell of the player Ali is

[Gimli]

I find it atypical of hpe to be excited about wagoning penguin

[Gimli]

i have zero clue what you are saying

Only clumsy aliens fully grasp skygazer language

[Gimli]

Pooping in to say mafia

[Gimli]

I wonder if alianna is a massive lurker as scum (not gonna check it myself)

[Gimli]

okay

(but is she a lurker as scum? cause IDK if my drew townread isn't getting a little old now)

[Gimli]

I wonder if alianna is a massive lurker as scum (not gonna check it myself)

Seriously?

You know I am her hydra partner right?

And according to a quick pop in she made in the hydra PT two days ago, real life got in the way a bit.

-Drew

okay

you are now the second person that replies to me answering something I didn't ask but okay

[Gimli]

Fber asked if anyone had a decent reason to tr aliase and everyone ignored cause there isnt any

i liked ali's gimli case earlier and while i do get a bit of pause from his townread of you after the self-vote i think that it's genuine. all things considered i think alisae is likely town. even if i'm only considering the reasons i have to scumread alisae and throwing out all the reasons i have to townread alisae, it's not enough to make me want to lim him.

This post from you, Stage, makes me want to vote Ali since I think it also sorts you and Gims for me.

-Drew

how does it sort stage?

[Gimli]

ah yes ok back to clearing you

[Gimli]

This is a riveting game. I am on the edge of my seat