BooneyToonz XVII: The Winston Chronicles [END]

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hi everyone

i'm a miller too!

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boonskiies what did you do

i guess we're all toiling away in the STARS Inc. grain mill factory

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it's millin' time

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you all are one in a millin'

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you all are one in a millin'

This is great, you can be Town

don't take my mill puns for granite!

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this setup definitely doesn't feel run-of-the-mill

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i'm getting whelly tired of these mill puns, and making them is a bit of a grind

VOTE: HPE

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We're at what, 5 or 6 millers now?

imagine being the one townie who isn't a miller

there was a game in team mafia 2023 in which every single player was in a hood except for Aisa

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elly p town and I like her leans

why

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elly p town and I like her leans

why

they have that energy that they don't care to emulate as scum (as far as my experience with elly goes)

why did you like her lean towns?

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you all are one in a millin'

we should vote this player out for this pun.

well i'm glad you stopped milling around and decided to vote someone

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I don't think the miller claims are inherently towny
Given how many of them there are already I imagine the scum faction/s would have some pre-game knowledge of there being a lot of us

Hmmm, I kinda was thinking a bit more kooky. Like, maybe all town starts as miller's.....then their actual role is revealed at a later time?

Is this a bit to nutty of a thought??

-Drew

So, are saying your role is just miller?

What made you want to ask this?

- Alianna

My role has two parts, and I was thinking everyone's did

why

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I don't think the miller claims are inherently towny
Given how many of them there are already I imagine the scum faction/s would have some pre-game knowledge of there being a lot of us

Hmmm, I kinda was thinking a bit more kooky. Like, maybe all town starts as miller's.....then their actual role is revealed at a later time?

Is this a bit to nutty of a thought??

-Drew

So, are saying your role is just miller?

What made you want to ask this?

- Alianna

My role has two parts, and I was thinking everyone's did

why

why would I be special

why would your role having 2 parts make you ask devil whether they have 1 part or not?

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cause I was role fishing for the rest of the scum team

real

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I think gimli is probably scum

i think Elements and Merlyn are probably town

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Stage

, where those reads in #139 came from? (Sorry, I forgot how to make a link out of a post number.)

sure! i townread elements just because of early vibes. not much else to it. i also don’t see why scum!merlyn would so blatantly rolefish, and her thought process about having 2 parts to her role, while not making sense, is a town thought process.

i scumread gimli because of 59 in which he townreads elements. he could have just outright said that he townreads elements because of her meta, but he doesn’t say that - he says that he townreads her and that he liked her lean towns. this make no sense because elements’ did not actually have any serious lean towns. when i asked him about why he liked elements’ lean towns he ignored my question. in addition the part about how gimli will sheep elements seems like he’s trying to pocket her. it seems like gimli was scum who wanted to townread elements to pocket her, but needed to include a bit more substance to his townread.

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i also dislike how gimli misreps oopsie’s point about elements

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I like stage's posts, they're towny

why

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I think a game where everyone is claiming miller might be the sort of headache to get into as scum (I'm not sure cause I'm town this game!)

lolololol
VOTE: Gimli

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I was between responding and ignoring you, stage, and I'll choose the latter since I'm coming off as phony to you (and that's not about to change)

humor me

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gimli's iamb scumread is grasping for straws but i don't think that type of scumread is all unlike town!gimli

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gimli not wanting us to claim miller is slightly town indicative

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I don't think a townie should ever be worried about posting in their "town range".

UNVOTE:
VOTE: OopsieDaisy

Why not?

If you play completely outside of what people expect from you as town, you get voted out and it hurts town's chances of winning. You've gotta be aware of it right?

posts like this and someone being concerned about their townrange is just an nai playstyle preference. being openly concerned in-thread about one’s townrange is slightly town indicative as scum would be a bit hesitant to comment on it because of the scumreads that come from it.

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scum!ali needs to build er own dumpster fire to perform which takes time and effort, while town!ali is incapable of not engaging meaningfully with the game even if e gets distant and obtuse about it.

ali entered the game twice without engaging and that's reminiscent of election game when e replaced in and the game was hard to get into cause e was scum. I think a game where everyone is claiming miller might be the sort of headache to get into as scum (I'm not sure cause I'm town this game!)

I recently played a game where Ali repped in as town and basically solved the game in her first page. She was silly and fun about it, but she def engaged meaningfully.

And so what do you think of Ali in this game?

this is such a bad post too… this does not seem like town genuinely asking someone a question, it seems like gimli is scum trying to influence merlyn. why would town!gimli ask this question? he knows he won’t get any meaningful read on merlyn or alisae from asking it.

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scum!ali needs to build er own dumpster fire to perform which takes time and effort, while town!ali is incapable of not engaging meaningfully with the game even if e gets distant and obtuse about it.

ali entered the game twice without engaging and that's reminiscent of election game when e replaced in and the game was hard to get into cause e was scum. I think a game where everyone is claiming miller might be the sort of headache to get into as scum (I'm not sure cause I'm town this game!)

I recently played a game where Ali repped in as town and basically solved the game in her first page. She was silly and fun about it, but she def engaged meaningfully.

And so what do you think of Ali in this game?

this is such a bad post too… this does not seem like town genuinely asking someone a question, it seems like gimli is scum trying to influence merlyn. why would town!gimli ask this question? he knows he won’t get any meaningful read on merlyn or alisae from asking it.

you make so many assumptions. how do you know what I get from asking that? how do you know what I think of merlyn, or how I expect or don't expect merlyn to respond?

that's fair tbh. i couldn't really see why you would ask that question from your point of view but your explanation makes sense.

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UNVOTE: gimli
i skimmed gimli's early rvs posts in 2 of his towngames and he made posts that pinged me similarly to here

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the meta does not fully address my complaints about gimli's elements townread but i only even skimmed gimli's meta for 2 minutes before finding large numbers of town posts that ping me as fake

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Gamma, 328 - Early game fluffing instead of (!) producing content is usually scummy. This is how a scum can appear doing something without doing anything. No scumhunting effort is always scummy for me.

someone hasn't played since 2018

fluffers generally don't decrease town winrates all that much these days like they used to

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Gamma, 328 - Early game fluffing instead of (!) producing content is usually scummy. This is how a scum can appear doing something without doing anything. No scumhunting effort is always scummy for me.

someone hasn't played since 2018

fluffers generally don't decrease town winrates all that much these days like they used to

actually is that true(?)

i think it partially is because scum find it harder to vibe naturally when there's a lot of fluff

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nothing you've done is out of your scum range

true, but what i've done is also all in my town range too, and I feel like currently I should be more townie than scummy in your eyes.

In your WHAT?!

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

I don't think a townie should ever be worried about posting in their "town range".

UNVOTE:
VOTE: OopsieDaisy

I don't think that post suggests Daisy is worried about posting in her townrange, just countering what Elements said about it also being in her scumrange, and I don't know where you get this interpretation.

- Alianna

P-edit: fluffposting isn't scummy.

i've always seen the phrase "being worried about one's townrange" or "being worried about one's scumrange" as bad buzzwords that people throw around without considering the underlying scum motivation behind

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Gamma, 328 - Early game fluffing instead of (!) producing content is usually scummy. This is how a scum can appear doing something without doing anything. No scumhunting effort is always scummy for me.

someone hasn't played since 2018

fluffers generally don't decrease town winrates all that much these days like they used to

actually is that true(?)

i think it partially is because scum find it harder to vibe naturally when there's a lot of fluff

I think the statement here is true

gamma what are your reads?

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Gamma, 328 - Early game fluffing instead of (!) producing content is usually scummy. This is how a scum can appear doing something without doing anything. No scumhunting effort is always scummy for me.

someone hasn't played since 2018

fluffers generally don't decrease town winrates all that much these days like they used to

actually is that true(?)

i think it partially is because scum find it harder to vibe naturally when there's a lot of fluff

I think the statement here is true

gamma what are your reads?

Ali and VIP are suspects rn, with Ali being stronger
I townread Gimli
I think Oopsie and Elly are town both for their clash on page 10 and some of their posting.
I also landed on townreading Tanuki for the applications stuff while writing this

why do you suspect vip?

Btw do I know you?

>_> no comment

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i skimmed some past alisae iso’s (mbos 15 for town game, election for scum game) and alisae tends to be a little disengaged in the early game but soon puts in effort and posts walls so i’m not too sure about gimli’s meta scumread.

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Ftr, madame Stage, I thought you a particular person, but I realized I was thinking of the wrong year of TM.

i have never played in TM

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I don't think that post suggests Daisy is worried about posting in her townrange, just countering what Elements said about it also being in her scumrange, and I don't know where you get this interpretation.

For me that sounded as if Daisy were cautious enough to remain in her "town range". I can't see a reason for that if someone's actually town.

this is the kind of axiomatic thinking gamma warned against

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reasons for why town might be concerned about remaining in her townrange have been explained to you. and you getting "scum vibes" from daisy's response is just a bad post-hoc justification

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iambic feels a bit gutsy, I think on reflection I give the play so far a slight town lean

yeah maybe

I feel like I'm barking up wrong trees or maybe randomly barking up right trees but it all feels flimsy, and I think partially my townreads are based off *this person is trying to communicate*, I don't feel like I have ONE very strong town lean or anything like that, and I see my position in the game being the one particularly difficult where I'm targeted both as LHF and as pocket and I see scum choosing both approaches, I wouldn't be surprised if there's both scum voting me and strong townleaning me rn

I need coffee

I just cannot believe that as the top wagon and the person who has got the most heat in the game you're posting word soup that be summed up in "I have no townreads or strong reads of my wagon" like, I'm just not buying the confused town bit here.

i get why gimli might not have many strong reads, this game's content has been bland so far :/

i don't have many strong townleans myself either

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I think Oopsie and Elly are town both for their clash on page 10 and some of their posting.

Idk how much I like this, because since my push onto em and our lil convo there it feels like El has kinda disengaged from the game. I expect a town!El to be proactive here and to be unearthing reads themselves, poking/prodding/asking people questions likely around our 1v1 to deepen their understanding of the game and fish for info that'll be useful later. Instead they've just sorta slunk away from the big convos and I don't like that.

Like if El was town and genuinely read me as scum they'd be doing so much work to convince others of this imo, but I'm not seeing it. They could be unsure and not saying, that would explain it, but we'll see what they say when they're back.

town post

scum are more likely to agree with someone calling a fight of theirs tvt and accept the townread on them and reconsider on elements. daisy continuing to scumread elements indicates that daisy's elements scumread is likely genuine

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iambic feels a bit gutsy, I think on reflection I give the play so far a slight town lean

yeah maybe

I feel like I'm barking up wrong trees or maybe randomly barking up right trees but it all feels flimsy, and I think partially my townreads are based off *this person is trying to communicate*, I don't feel like I have ONE very strong town lean or anything like that, and I see my position in the game being the one particularly difficult where I'm targeted both as LHF and as pocket and I see scum choosing both approaches, I wouldn't be surprised if there's both scum voting me and strong townleaning me rn

I need coffee

I just cannot believe that as the top wagon and the person who has got the most heat in the game you're posting word soup that be summed up in "I have no townreads or strong reads of my wagon" like, I'm just not buying the confused town bit here.

i get why gimli might not have many strong reads, this game's content has been bland so far :/

i don't have many strong townleans myself either

I agree the content has been bland or barely any to begin with. For that slot to be town I need to be on a world where they act completely different than memory and have this odd sense of confusion in one post yet full clarity on the next. It feels performative. If they do this often, someone bonk me because it probably makes them a villager otherwise it’s just a wolf.

maybe. what would be the scum motivation for gimli to act confused in that moment tho?

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actually that's a dumb question, never mind. i guess i just don't think that gimli was trying to act like the archetypical confused townie

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I'm worried that the Penguin isn't here;
I think he tends to lurk more if he's scum?

do we even know if he's confirmed his role pm

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VOTE: VIP

there's a difference between town illogical reads and scum illogical reads and vip is definitely in the latter category. i don't think that he actually believes what he's saying. his posts strongly remind me of newbie scum trying to force reads and i don't see how town who is genuinely trying to solve could reasonably arrive at a lot of his conclusions

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Tanuki will be at null for me for now,
and stay until I have a pee-oh-ee.

I'm worried that the Penguin isn't here;
I think he tends to lurk more if he's scum?

hmm...i hadn't even posted once (probably because I wasn't even on site yesterday due to work things)

smh i saw you online at 9:00 yesterday

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VOTE: VIP

what are your reads?

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camel: This slot is on thin ice despite the claim

what's your progression been on camel? and why did you vote him earlier?

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VOTE: Elements

i like this more

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Bloop

hey elements what do you think of the wagon on you?

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yeah honestly for a moment i was thinking
wait why is tanuki town

then i read their iso again and
yeah okay they are probably town

why do you think tanuki is town? just vibes? this question goes for ccs too btw

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yeah honestly for a moment i was thinking
wait why is tanuki town

then i read their iso again and
yeah okay they are probably town

why do you think tanuki is town? just vibes? this question goes for ccs too btw

tanuki has firebringer
no further explanation required

ccs though
their vibes tell me scum
but from what i can tell of the game from a mechanics perspective they are probably town

i wasn’t asking you for your read of ccs, i was asking ccs why he townreads tanuki but i appreciate you giving your ccs read too!

i think ccs generally radiates bad vibes regardless of his alignment and i think firebringer generally radiates good vibes regardless of his alignment

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Bloop

hey elements what do you think of the wagon on you?

it's early day 1
there's less than a third of the players on it (I think)
I'm used to getting wagoned day 1

what do you think of your wagoners

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i think i want to vote in tanuki, peng, camel, iamb, elements, or vip as of now

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maybe not tanuki because they'll probably towntell or scumtell given enough time

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it's hard to read them off of this metric alone because he would happily play that way as any alignment but I do agree that reading Fire is very easy and is self-evident based on his own play

do you have a read on tanuki right now other than the traitor signaling

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I don't know how a Fire!Traitor would ACTUALLY signal traitor.

I actually thought it would so much easier to differentiate between Fire and Cephs post even without them signing it, but even that is confusing me!

I could see Fire I open wolfing to that degree with the application thing, but now I am their ally(their hydra I mean) so I need to protect them.

I will let Alianna try to sort them lol.

-Drew

drew, what do you think of vip?

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Ftr, madame Stage, I thought you a particular person, but I realized I was thinking of the wrong year of TM.

i have never played in TM

Suuure

i promise! ◕ ◡ ◕

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you're just too good for this line of thinking especially when you posted so little else

this is probably true but has alisae not stated multiple times that he is unfocused and fluffposting though. i can see alisae being town and just doing random stuff to pass the time

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you're just too good for this line of thinking especially when you posted so little else

this is probably true but has alisae not stated multiple times that he is unfocused and fluffposting though. i can see alisae being town and just doing random stuff to pass the time

without telling me who you are, do you think I'd be suspecting you if I knew your main?

you have never played with my main, although you have played with another alt of mine

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you're just too good for this line of thinking especially when you posted so little else

this is probably true but has alisae not stated multiple times that he is unfocused and fluffposting though. i can see alisae being town and just doing random stuff to pass the time

adding on to this i think that while gimli's logic is flawed, it doesn't come from a place of being fake or forced. alisae comes off from this interaction as slightly +scum because he failed to consider gimli's possible town motivation but this is relatively minor and is probably caused by alisae's lack of effort whether town or scum

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that process from Two Headed Dragon I think is actually very solid evidence to townclear them.
there was like a 6min gap from the vote on CSS to unvoting and that post. The actual content of the post being in the unvote tag is probably additional points towards it being written by town mostly because I think that's indicative of a villager changing their mind and posting what they think as opposed to say mafia performatively trying to come across as looking townie. If there was mafia intent behind it, an error like this likely just doesn't happen.

i like this. it’s not unfakeable but i don’t know how experienced hero is.

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Theta Alpine

why theta?

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VOTE: VIP

there's a difference between town illogical reads and scum illogical reads and vip is definitely in the latter category. i don't think that he actually believes what he's saying. his posts strongly remind me of newbie scum trying to force reads and i don't see how town who is genuinely trying to solve could reasonably arrive at a lot of his conclusions

I am interested in this and I want more from you on this topic, because I think it wouldn't be impossible if I was giving him the benefit of the doubt out of like hope or something. But my impression right now is that I rly don't feel like his actions are coming from a mafia pov. This is a player who hasn't played mafia in a very very long time. I don't get how town is arriving at these conclusions, but I also don't get how what he is doing comes from mafia. If there is one word that comes to my mind to describe them, it would probably just be clueless.

that's the thing though, i think his reads and actions come from clueless scum and not clueless town. even if someone is town is town and hasn't played in years they're still gonna have some kind of solving vibe or at least be asking questions and trying to form reads which i'm not seeing at all from vip

his play very strongly reminds me of scum in newbie games throwing mud at a wall and seeing what sticks. he doesn't seem like newbie town with bad and outlandish reads at all. i also see his type of axiomatic thinking come from newbie scum much more than i do from newbie town

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vip's mafia pov is that he wants to scumread as many people as possible to ensure his own survival

this is very common among newbie scum

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VOTE: elements

VOTE: elements

It breaks my heart to do this

VOTE: Elements

i like this more

sure

VOTE: element

~2H

VOTE: elements

blood for the blood god

I have a gut sense one of these is scum
I think Elements is pretty easy to paint as scum when they are town, as illustrated by their signature. The lack of resistance by Elements doesn’t make it any better either.

re: elements' lack of resistance, i tried asking elements questions about her wagon but she didn't really care about the wagon

Spoiler: receipts

Bloop

hey elements what do you think of the wagon on you?

not much

Bloop

hey elements what do you think of the wagon on you?

it's early day 1
there's less than a third of the players on it (I think)
I'm used to getting wagoned day 1

elements' lack of care seems like town who is used to getting wagoned a lot because elements mostly ignored the wagon on her but still made content about other parts of the game at the same time

a scummy lack of resistance to a wagon would just be to completely ignore the wagon and lurk it out. elements

kind of

did this, except that she posted about other parts of the game. if elements is scum trying to lurk out a wagon she won't make other posts and do real-time interaction because that will call more attention to herself

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Theta Alpine

why theta?

Townbinning the desperate claim. I don't think it's impossible for her to claim that as scum but I'm not interested in pushing there today.

- Alianna

oh i didn't even notice the desperate claim

theta is likely town then

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VOTE: elements

VOTE: elements

It breaks my heart to do this

VOTE: Elements

i like this more

sure

VOTE: element

~2H

VOTE: elements

blood for the blood god

I have a gut sense one of these is scum
I think Elements is pretty easy to paint as scum when they are town, as illustrated by their signature. The lack of resistance by Elements doesn’t make it any better either.

if you can't name what specifically bothers you a post like this is just fearmongering -- great job!

do you think that this post by gamma is scummy or was this just a general joke

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i like this. it’s not unfakeable but i don’t know how experienced hero is.

my winrate as scum is rock bottom if that helps.

i would think that progression is nai if it were to come from a scum who plans a lot like rc or dannflor or a crazy who approaches the game purely on vibes and is prone to erratic votes and read changes like andante or t3

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Theta Alpine

why theta?

Townbinning the desperate claim. I don't think it's impossible for her to claim that as scum but I'm not interested in pushing there today.

- Alianna

oh i didn't even notice the desperate claim

theta is likely town then

Why? I could see edge case where it could be on a scum role

scum usually don't claim parts of their roles early on tho

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UNVOTE:

forgot i was voting elements

[The Stage]

do you guys mind consolidating votes on tanuki?

i'll consider it

[The Stage]

alisae's fb case makes sense and is most likely correct, unless alisae is completely bullshitting about fb's meta which i doubt

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i townread alisae by vibes but alisae is alisae so vibes hardly count for anything. i like his reads, esp on dragon did alisae's reads seem town-motivated and genuine. i also quite liked his gamma read because it showed a deeper, overarching thought process that is <rand scum for alisae.

i disliked alisae's gimli read in 938. i think alisae is a good enough player to at least try to distinguish between scum having a bad read and tunneling and town having a bad read and tunneling. instead in 938 alisae points out a bad thought process by gimli but never actually oes the extra step to consider whether gimli might be tunneled town + gimli seems like the kind of player to be erratic and tunnel-y as town

on balance i'd say alisae is lean town and i don't really want to lim him, but i wouldn't be opposed to voting him later in the day if my townread on him decreases or i feel he needs pressure

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so with Firebringer (one of the Tanuki heads) if they are town they will do things that are very obviously townie and no one would really be wanting to have a conversation about it.
If they're not doing anything that's actually town indicative then they're likely just mafia

unless this counts as a meta case. and i don't even think this is accurate even though i think alisae probably in general does believe it.

this is what i was referring to

and i just realized that i'm being stupid

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yeah nvm i completely misunderstood what alisae was talking about i was not paying enough attention

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on balance i'd say alisae is lean town and i don't really want to lim him, but i wouldn't be opposed to voting him later in the day if my townread on him decreases or i feel he needs pressure

gross

yes yes yes blah blah blah scum hedging etc etc generic scumtell

i'm gonna go make a steak

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vip's mafia pov is that he wants to scumread as many people as possible to ensure his own survival

this is very common among newbie scum

This feels like bad logic, the read can be right but I think VIP at least knows that creating multiple targets won’t to much to get the target off his back

i’m saying that he didn’t have a target on his back beforehand and approached the game like how newbscum would

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what did you understand?

i was not paying attention and i thought that the bulk of alisae’s tanuki scumread was the meta part. or maybe i was paying attention and i thought that the meta read was the most convincing part of the scumread. i think it was probably the latter >.<

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on balance i'd say alisae is lean town and i don't really want to lim him, but i wouldn't be opposed to voting him later in the day if my townread on him decreases or i feel he needs pressure

gross

yes yes yes blah blah blah scum hedging etc etc generic scumtell

i'm gonna go make a steak

the steak was good but i goofed up the sear on one side :/

i should’ve frozen it for 30 minutes beforehand to prevent the center of the steak from heating up so quickly. you live and you learn <3

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vip's mafia pov is that he wants to scumread as many people as possible to ensure his own survival

this is very common among newbie scum

This feels like bad logic, the read can be right but I think VIP at least knows that creating multiple targets won’t to much to get the target off his back

i’m saying that he didn’t have a target on his back beforehand and approached the game like how newbscum would

My issue is that feels like a level zero error, one that once you learn not to make it, it’s very rare to unlearn it?

has vip not played for 5 years

[The Stage]

She solves as town and posts absolutely nothing as scum

merlyn engaged with the thread up till post 650 or so and then went functionally v/la tho

[The Stage]

gimli seems like the kind of player to be erratic and tunnel-y as town

when i was a wolf and gimli was town, gimli kept trying to appeal to me in F5 when I simply just had my own gameplan in mind.
You could say there was a lot of hope from Gimli that I would actually be town willing to consider his arguments and when he never got it he responded in a way that's was just frustration. "We can't let Ali win if they're going to keep playing like this!" is basically how Gimli felt because I had a "read" on them and I simply just refused to "reconsider" that read.

What Gimli I think has done has when I first entered the thread, they posted a "I hope you're town in this mess." By itself this is an innocent post. However this pinged me.
I know who the guy is. This wouldn't be information that's necessarily useful to anyone here except maybe maria.
Guy respects me. So with this in mind, it makes that post feel like there is some kind of expectation behind it.

he did not expect me to lurk, he expected me to play.
I feel like ever since I didn't give them what they wanted they approached me in bad faith and now were at the point nothing I say is going to change this guy's mind.

I don't think Gimli is an erratic and tunnely player as town. They're actually quite solid and at moments they can even be sharp.
He is right to a degree that it could be possible I wouldn't know how to engage with the miller claims. The Swingers Ball open I just finished Klick literally won game for village on page 1 because I didn't know how to respond to his play. Having a right argument though doesn't necessarily mean town. But otherwise I don't rly feel like the guy has approached me in good faith at all.

that makes sense. i think you're town from this and i am no gimliologist so i'll sheep this, plus this post addressed why i thought gimli's motivation might be town

[The Stage]

@the stage, how do you feel about gimli's push on you?

uhh so there were two main points in the push, one which is that i'm hedgy and the other point being that i'm scum because i wasn't paying enough attention to alisae

the first point is not correct. i've said that i townread oopsie and merlyn, i townread elements and when i doubted that townread i tried to sort elements again and realized that she is in fact town. i townread theta. i scumread gimli and my gimli push was the first real push in the game. i scumread vip, and i have pushed him. for someone who is hedging, i'm making an awful lot of town and scumcases!

tbh i do not fully understand his second point. he said that my lapse of attention to detail re: alisae's tanuki scumcase is the type of "not paying attention that scum does." but gimli never actually explains what scum not paying attention do vs. what town not paying attention do

[The Stage]

Vote Count 1.05

Winston O'brien

Spoiler:

Elements [4]:

OopsieDaisy, MariaR, Merlyn, Alisae

Gimli [4]:

Elements, Theta Alpine, Deal With The Devil, Gamma Emerald

Alisae [2]:

Gimli, Aneninen

Aneninen [2]:

CamelCasedSnivy, PenguinPower,

Tanuki the Bold [1]:

HighPrincessErinys,

Merlyn [1]:

Tanuki The Bold

Deal With The Devil [1]:

Iambic Pentameter

Not Voting [2]:

The Stage, Two Headed Dragon

With

17

alive, it takes

9

to fade.

Day 1

ends

(expired on 2023-10-15 01:30:00)

Mod Notes:

I'll try to get at least one vote count every day.

i get strong hot topic t-shirt vibes from the vc's

maybe it's the comic sans

[The Stage]

i guess i kind of like 1255 cuz we thought the same thing about oopsie/elements at the same time but that post is like, the only actual post with content in an iso of 140 posts

[The Stage]

Think what you wish, but I think you should ISO a couple of players to see whether they were forming more reads or asking more questions...

you're posting a lot to try and make it seem like you're solving, that's the difference

someone like camel has barely solved at all but he's also not trying to squeeze reads out of his ass like i think you are

[The Stage]

Stage, you're scumreading me. Yet you're not voting. Why?

i wasn't caught up yet, i usually don't place my vote until i've fully caught up

[The Stage]

VOTE: peng

lots of fluff, barely any content or reads whatsoever

he makes two votes in 841 and post 1272 but neither of these votes actually make much sense given the context

peng votes for vip in 841. vip had made 4 generic nai posts on the page before peng voted him, and for the past few pages before those generic nai posts there had been crickets from vip. alisae had also been analyzing vip but alisae eventually came to the conclusion that vip's bad readlists were nai. like... was peng even reading?

the vote in 1272 is also weird. at that point elements was the biggest wagon, yes, but elements had just had a fairly towny exchange with oopsie on the previous page

i get the vibe that peng is lurkscum who's just voting for random people who he sees are not obvtown, like he's just going with the flow of the past few pages before he gets to the thread

[The Stage]

penguin absolutely needs pressure here

[The Stage]

Why do you not want to vote one of your strongest scum leads?

youre being deliberately dense

Reply to this with your 7000th post!

gimli has 6899 posts not 6999 posts

[The Stage]

a bit random push on penguin but idk I vibe with it I guess

was it iamb who said he tends to lurk more as scum? i saw peng post a bunch of fluff on around page 50 so i was trying to draw penguin out from under the ice sheet to see whether he has any actual reads or whether he's just lurky scum

[The Stage]

there's a bit more to it but i want to see penguin pop his head through the ice fishing hole first

[The Stage]

ali/gamma/maria/stage

I'd flip any of them

gamma is obvtown u crazy

he is?

[The Stage]

he is?

she*

noted

[The Stage]

lets end the day

on pp

[The Stage]

actually not yet

[The Stage]

but this game does feel a little stagnant and i think i want the gamestate to change

[The Stage]

lets end the day

on pp

u really wanna end on pp?
why?
we have multiple people who are confident in being able to read elements saying they're a wolf.
It's not like I'm down to do it, I could probably vote PP and it's fine

i don't want to end on pp i don't even know why i said that lol

[The Stage]

we have multiple people who are confident in being able to read elements saying they're a wolf.

did daisy not townread elements???

[The Stage]

daisy said that elements was scum earlier but iirc daisy recently changed her mind

[The Stage]

I still think Elements scum > Elements town right now and wouldn't mind flipping the slot, but I've been tunneled on the slot for a while so wanna branch out and see if exploring other slots changes how I feel about El. Not in a rush to end the day.

i should read the pages that i haven't caught up on yet before i ask questions shouldn't i

[The Stage]

VOTE: gimli

sure lets do this i won't stand getting it across to you d2 anyway theta

huh

what the fuck?

honestly i think this is nai

[The Stage]

something like that is actually really hard to sell as mafia well and I don't think Gimli is capable of that or willing to go down that route so I'm happy to just townclear them for now

gimli is a really good scum player so i find this reasoning u just gave to be complete bullocks

see i was worried about this

like on the one hand damn that is a pretty bold move if scum
on the other hand they might actually be capable of it as scum

i thought so too - gimli strikes me as a more than good enough scum player to do that. fwiw his anger/annoyance at you in particular did strike me as genuine

[The Stage]

e is trying to look town

that logic doesn't really track

[The Stage]

idk whats happening with gimli nothing has stood out from him for me

really camel? not even his self-vote?

i mean if gimli is not miller then investigative roles can do their thing on gimli so

would prefer elements in that situation

I never claimed to be or not to be anything

what the fuck is this post

oh yeah that’s def weird

gimli second choice now

VOTE: camel

[The Stage]

So I've gone through Theta's ISO and catagorised it in the following way:

Setup Spec - 14/53 ~ 30%

Spoiler:

154, 158, 159, 324, 337, 344, 358, 360, 1008, 1388, 1404. 1413, 1421, 1426

Not saying anything - 21/53 ~40%

Spoiler:

348, 546, 582, 595, 988. 1006, 1030, 1056, 1161. 1164, 1348, 1351, 1364, 1368, 1383, 1396, 1415, 1444, 1448, 1458, 1470

Reads - 16/53 ~30%

Spoiler:

355 - El vs Daisy tvt or nvt - probably look at elements later
526 - El probs town, but i'm gonna see what happens next
534 - Tanuki town? yes tanuki town
538 - ccs giving me scum vibes, but setup spec you're more likely town and i don't have good vibe reads
576 - see the two above
616 - this is town Fire, i should try find scum
932 - I have no read on Alisae, but I'd rather vote elements
942 - I now have scum vibes on elements
944 - idk how to read Gimli
954 - we can read tanuki later
964 - other people think Gimli is scummy
1159 - I have no read on merlyn
1344 - sure, seeing as everyone else is voting penguin
1379 - elements/gimli > penguin for flips
1381 - elements > gimli
1461 - idk what to think, ima ask someone else

not sure what to make of - 1/53 ~2%

Spoiler:

622

Of the 16 posts that pertain to some sort of read, half of them are either "I don't scum read said player, I also don't town read them" or something along those lines. Most of them are saying she'd wait to see what other people think before coming to a read. There isn't an original read anywhere in theta's ISO

@El: what do you make of theta's claim, though? doesn't it seem a bit too convoluted or complicated to come from scum super early in the game? not just being a miller but having a role that makes her believe there are non-millers who are town (like thaumaturge).

desperate seems like an easy claim for a mafia to make if they have knowledge there are multiple millers, that way they have an excuse for not doing anything
VOTE: mariar

*shrug*

is no one else seeing elements as obvtown

[The Stage]

idk whats happening with gimli nothing has stood out from him for me

really camel? not even his self-vote?

i mean if gimli is not miller then investigative roles can do their thing on gimli so

would prefer elements in that situation

I never claimed to be or not to be anything

what the fuck is this post

oh yeah that’s def weird

gimli second choice now

VOTE: camel

i could not care less about your vote tbh

what did you think about gimli's self vote? nothing, apparently?

[The Stage]

idk whats happening with gimli nothing has stood out from him for me

really camel? not even his self-vote?

i mean if gimli is not miller then investigative roles can do their thing on gimli so

would prefer elements in that situation

I never claimed to be or not to be anything

what the fuck is this post

oh yeah that’s def weird

gimli second choice now

VOTE: camel

i could not care less about your vote tbh

what did you think about gimli's self vote? nothing, apparently?

yup, why?

>.>

a little weird, but probably not all that ai

VOTE: HPE

[The Stage]

idk whats happening with gimli nothing has stood out from him for me

really camel? not even his self-vote?

i mean if gimli is not miller then investigative roles can do their thing on gimli so

would prefer elements in that situation

I never claimed to be or not to be anything

what the fuck is this post

oh yeah that’s def weird

gimli second choice now

VOTE: camel

i could not care less about your vote tbh

what did you think about gimli's self vote? nothing, apparently?

yup, why?

>.>

a little weird, but probably not all that ai

VOTE: HPE

what? that actrually deterred you?

what am i reading

i don't think i'll be able to get much more ai info from my vote being on camel

[The Stage]

This game so far has a lot of groups of 3-5 people suddenly voting for the same person and it's unnerving me

Hey look it's my turn! Really don't know what you people want from me here because this one is perfectly fine to keep sitting in the back for the time being.

I agree that we're in a weird gamestate of vote tennis right now with pushes flying about from person to person without any really sticking, but what would your preference be? Where do you think we should be moving this game?

Well, this is gonna be a little ironic from someone who just said "idk what you all want" to their wagon but! Pushes flying from one person to the other isn't

bad

? We're just not really doing anything with it imo. It seems to me that everyone who's gotten a big sudden push like Elements or Gimli or whoever hasn't flinched at all even tho we kinda critically need the pressure and reactions that a push should be providing. We need to squeeze people for their juice and see if it makes scumade or townade and EVEN THEN probably not kill them immediately?? We have 2-week Day phases we have ALOT of time to get people to talk and this one doesn't think that even if we found a consensus on someone being scum this very instant that it'd be a good idea to flip them anytime soon.

VOTE: PenguinPower

on one hand, we critically need the information and reactions that a push will bring

on the other hand, you decide to vote penguinpower, a player whose push does not seem to actually bring information and reactions

[The Stage]

I have an alternative

VOTE: mariar

i like this wagon too. i can't really see a deeper thought process behind maria's posts which yes, can be explained by a lack of effort. however, maria is also posting quite a bit offsite https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=18662920

[The Stage]

christmas starts the day after halloween and lasts through early january

according to my local cvs, at least

[The Stage]

Application:

Name:

stagie

Qualifications:

i am a PADI certified advanced open water diver

References:

my scumbuddies

Personal statement:

am i applying to grad school again?

[The Stage]

For me Christmas is a December-only kinda deal. If I can't eat advent calendar chocolate it's not time yet to be excited for xmas. Them's the breaks.

I didn't like HPE previous to the answer to my question but I like the thought process it showed there which went against my reasoning for leaning scum on it (playing more passive/not wanting to get it's hands dirty/spreading a cheeky bit of apathy).

so HPE is town to u because is upfront about not having anything to sort and is just sitting around waiting for stuff to happen.

okay

That feels like such a misrep of what HPE said. 1567-1568 shows a proactive mindset where HPE wants to actually start pressuring players in this game, starting with PP.

i do not think that 1567 and 1568 count as having a ‘proactive mindset’ or ‘pressuring people’

the peng wagon was already one of the largest wagons at the point that hpe voted him. hpe’s vote isn’t going to much more, will it?

if i am scum!hpe and i see myself in danger and i want to appear solvey and busy, then i will vote peng

[The Stage]

For me Christmas is a December-only kinda deal. If I can't eat advent calendar chocolate it's not time yet to be excited for xmas. Them's the breaks.

I didn't like HPE previous to the answer to my question but I like the thought process it showed there which went against my reasoning for leaning scum on it (playing more passive/not wanting to get it's hands dirty/spreading a cheeky bit of apathy).

so HPE is town to u because is upfront about not having anything to sort and is just sitting around waiting for stuff to happen.

okay

That feels like such a misrep of what HPE said. 1567-1568 shows a proactive mindset where HPE wants to actually start pressuring players in this game, starting with PP.

i do not think that 1567 and 1568 count as having a ‘proactive mindset’ or ‘pressuring people’

the peng wagon was already one of the largest wagons at the point that hpe voted him. hpe’s vote isn’t going to much more, will it?

if i am scum!hpe and i see myself in danger and i want to appear solvey and busy, then i will vote peng

Once again undermining my vote and the Penguin wagon in general.

i started the penguin wagon in the first place because i thought that it might yield a useful response. penguin did not respond in time and then the gimli self-vote happened and the penguin wagon lost most of its momentum so i chose to focus my energy on better targets (you and camel)

[The Stage]

VOTE: Aneninen

y not hpe

[The Stage]

Also we may have to form a search party to find Alianna.....does anyone know how to work a dog sled?

-Drew

i'm sure elements does

[The Stage]

Reaching the part of my catchup where we put Alisae at E-2 for some reason what are we DOING here people

I lean town in this player ig

i read this as a townie reaction it's enough for me to give it a pass for d1

do you actually believe that

[The Stage]

the stage's avatar is scummy

it's just, the type of avatar that scum would have

i stole it from some ai generated art instagram page

[The Stage]

i thought it looked cute but now i realize that if you look the background the windows of the buildings are messed up >_>

[The Stage]

Fber asked if anyone had a decent reason to tr aliase and everyone ignored cause there isnt any

i liked ali's gimli case earlier and while i do get a bit of pause from his townread of you after the self-vote i think that it's genuine. all things considered i think alisae is likely town. even if i'm only considering the reasons i have to scumread alisae and throwing out all the reasons i have to townread alisae, it's not enough to make me want to lim him.

[The Stage]

v/la for 48 hours

busy

[The Stage]

Plus I'm at a point where I don't wanna vote Alisae, I don't think I wanna vote Gimli, and I don't think I wanna vote HPE either. I need to give the counterarguments another look on the HPE thing but the fact that

it's being attacked for the move to PP

I find makes scum!PP more likely.

Where is this happening?

i did and i stand by it

[The Stage]

i'm not specifically attacking hpe for moving its vote to peng, i'm attacking hpe for moving its vote to peng and then acting like by making that vote hpe is helping pressure peng and solve his alignment

[The Stage]

Vote Count 1.07

Winston O'brien

Spoiler:

HighPrincessErinys [4]:

Tanuki The Bold, Two Headed Dragon, MariaR, The Stage

Gimli [3]:

Gamma Emerald, Theta Alpine, Deal With The Devil,

Alisae [3]:

Aneninen, Gimli, Elements

Elements [2]:

Merlyn, PenguinPower,

PenguinPower [2]:

OopsieDaisy, HighPrincessErinys

Aneninen [1]:

Alisae

CamelCasedSnivy [1]:

The Stage

Deal With The Devil [1]:

Iambic Pentameter

Not Voting [0]:

With

17

alive, it takes

9

to fade.

Day 1

ends

(expired on 2023-10-15 01:30:00)

Mod Notes:

I'll try to get at least one vote count every day.

i'm not specifically attacking hpe for moving its vote to peng, i'm attacking hpe for moving its vote to peng and then acting like by making that vote hpe is helping pressure peng and solve his alignment

but have you considered how much that pressure is doing right now.
Penguin is shacking in terror right now affraid to post because HPE Is on the case.

actually penguin is like 9 hours overdue for a prod lol

[The Stage]

popping

[The Stage]

Honestly would love to flip Stage though.

weren't you just lock townreading me

why is that post of mine scummy

[The Stage]

this gamestate is fried

i think the day does need to end but i do not want to end it on elements

[The Stage]

That would be a very bad idea.

VOTE: aneienen

i think we should compromise on aneienen

[The Stage]

i do not hate the idea of an alisae lim either but come on… i would rather lim penguinpower or even maria over alisae. i think that alisae is also very likely to resolve on later days

[The Stage]

tanuki/alisae seems t/t tbh, their interaction flows naturally, it seems like tanuki is trying to genuinely engage with alisae

[The Stage]

i do not hate the idea of an alisae lim either but come on… i would rather lim penguinpower or even maria over alisae. i think that

alisae is also very likely to resolve on later days

how so? in what other way than being eliminated by the town will alisae be resolved?

alisae will become more readable later

[The Stage]

VOTE: HPE

[The Stage]

VOTE: PenguinPower
I think this is actually a solid choice, I think there was a similar scenario to this one in another game and Penguin ended up being scum there

peng should have been replaced by now but the mod has also not given out a prod yet for some reason

[The Stage]

VOTE: hpe

i've lost most of my wim at this point, we need a flip

[The Stage]

are people voting HPE because of its posts?

i am, at least! hpe is a generic lurker with a very low ratio of content to posts, but i could still see it flipping town

[The Stage]

i think i was actually already voting hpe but it's the spirit that counts

[The Stage]

why can't we just kill elements

medium info lurker elims >>>>

[The Stage]

why can't we just kill elements

medium info lurker elims >>>>

People have actually put out stances on Elements tho it's a high info flip

maybe

i guess i just townread elements then

goofy day 1 altslip

[The Stage]

why can't we just kill elements

medium info lurker elims >>>>

People have actually put out stances on Elements tho it's a high info flip

maybe

i guess i just townread elements then

goofy day 1 altslip

i should have learned from skygazer not to play mafia on 2 hours of sleep

alas

[The Stage]

why can't we just kill elements

medium info lurker elims >>>>

People have actually put out stances on Elements tho it's a high info flip

maybe

i guess i just townread elements then

goofy day 1 altslip

I have NEVER seen you post this much lol

i was hoping to add to my list of 3 alts with 500 to 1500 posts and completely different playstyles and personalities but i guess it was not to be

[The Stage]

This one thinks everyone going "okay but HPE is a good info wagon!" is going to be really disappointed when they kill me for no reason and wonder where that information they were promised is considering everyone has been like, lukewarm at worst about me.

i don’t think you’re a good info wagon. i just don’t think there are better wagons that balance “do i townread this person” vs. “how much info will this wagon give”

[The Stage]

if elements was null or maybe even lean town for me i’d hop in

[The Stage]

i kind of wonder if we should massclaim

[The Stage]

but this is coming from the little voice inside my brain who has theories about the setup and doesn’t have the ability to put it off until later

[The Stage]

i am also inclined to believe elements’ claim. tanuki’s claim is very likely true too, but again, that’s the little moonshot setup spec voice in my head speaking

[The Stage]

if peng does flip scum i’d look at theta because that defense feels slimy

[The Stage]

i generally do not vote for people who i think are awaiting prod or have just replaced into a slot

same here, but the way you explained it felt weird. you were using a lot of words to justify what could be said in a sentence or two. you could have just said to alisae “your logic is correct but i still don’t want to vote peng” but instead you felt the need to include another 2 sentences about how you were going to reread and evaluate

[The Stage]

VOTE: hpe
i've lost most of my wim at this point, we need a flip

Call me a lazy-town or an obv-scum or whatever you want to, but can you summarize why Erinys is (are?) so scummy?
I'm asking you because I don't think you're scum.

1. hpe is making a lot of posts but not doing anything with them
2. hpe when pressed had a bad reaction and decided to vote peng and then frame it as if it is making lots of content

i am, at least! hpe is a generic lurker with a very low ratio of content to posts, but i could still see it flipping town

So it's mostly about wanting a flip? I don't think Erinys is the only low content ratio player here.

to an extent.

[The Stage]

Is a HPE wagon better than a Penguin one?

absolutely, without a doubt imo

[The Stage]

Is a HPE wagon better than a Penguin one?

absolutely, without a doubt imo

go on and tell the class

why

then

i've already said why multiple times

[The Stage]

you have not towntelled at all

[The Stage]

you have not towntelled at all

Do we have the same definition of what a tell is because this one doesn't recall playing with you, considering your altslip.

we played together in a random mini normal and we played together in hms mutiny too (i was passenger), in both games i was vt who got vigged

"tell"=doing something stereotypically towny

there are other towny things that one can do that is different to or beyond a tell, i haven't seen any of those from you either

[The Stage]

i liked maria's recent posts, specifically her interactions with gimli didn't seem agenda-y

[The Stage]

sigh

[The Stage]

alisae lim makes no sense tho i do think gamma has been pretty towny recently

[The Stage]

I asked Gimli what does he think about the game if I flip town and I got donowalled

sorry mate

I'm trying not to engage with you to avoid losing a 1v1 and making you look good like you did to tanuki earlier in the game

if you're town I'll re-read d1 with this knowledge, I have no idea how that would look like rn

ffs how is anyone taking this seriously

[The Stage]

Id be happiest with Mariar rn

VOTE: mariar

why

[The Stage]

why

Mostly this

Not afk, see? Posting right now. xo.

Sheeps off of alisae, sits in the background. Not crazy active, but A quick controlf shows a roaming vote.

maybe. i don’t think that makes maria scum though

[The Stage]

so many pages...

[The Stage]

i’m catching up from page 102, bear with me here!

i think that maria is likely scum from the alisae flip. her ‘defense’ and townread of alisae was quite bad. she was soft pushing against the alisae lim in such a way that she gets towncred from an alisae townflip but her defense has no way of actually railroading the alisae wagon

[The Stage]

then again, is scum maria really that bad?

[The Stage]

i also think the alisae wagon likely was town motivated, with the possible exception of some players

alisae always felt like a dark horse wagon the entire day and i think a less assertive and more conflict-avoidant scum is more likely to go for other, easier wagons. this of course does not apply to gimli/daisy/maybe gamma types.

[The Stage]

That Nightkill was unexpected. Why not MariaR?

god this is so bad it has to be uninformed

[The Stage]

i still think gimli and gamma are town

why gamma?

[The Stage]

Why did 2-Headed Dragon die?

2hd wasn’t a very influential voice but they were nonetheless active and fairly townread. probably just gamestate reasons. the one person who i think this kill does point to is gimli. he was a big wagon for most of yesterday but the wagon on him dissipated and near the end of the day people weren’t really expressing opinions on him and if i’m right and gimli is trying to deepwolf then that kill might point to him. gimli was also scumreading 2hd at the end of the day yesterday and in a town!gimli world scum are gonna want to push gimli in random directions and potentially encourage a gimli/2hd 1v1. i think scum would have this in consideration in a town!gimli world.

[The Stage]

I think Desperate is a weird modifier for scum to have tho?

i’m gonna discount most setup spec until later in the game when i have a good idea of what the ‘theme’ of the setup is

[The Stage]

daisy’s position on the poe coming from the alisae wagon is very misguided and wrong but probably not scum motivated

[The Stage]

i am

very worried that i might be able to accurately guess what 2hds informed was about

what if we are all millers
like
that stands out as the biggest thing that would be informed about

what is this crazy tmi

[The Stage]

It also stems a bit from Ali being very confident lots of scum were on their wagon. I know Ali is town and was at the very least being honest there. They could be wrong but I feel like scum would've egged on that thought process rather than rushed to shut it down.

scum might have motivation to egg that thought process on but i doubt they think they’d actually be taken seriously given that almost no one was taking alisae seriously

[The Stage]

ngl ive been kind of ignoring gamma emerald, and in hindsight to alisae i do want to re-examine gamma.

why in hindsight to alisae? fwiw i've also been mostly ignoring gamma, in my experience with town gamma she usually doesn't towntell early but she will scumtell when scum, and i have not seen her scumtell.

[The Stage]

Feels like you’re trying to make undue generalizations and covering your ass in advance

like i'd normally say that a post like this is scummy because i don't think that the poster actually believes this, but i've seen gamma make questionable logical leaps like this before as town

[The Stage]

daisy comes across as very towny from her interaction with gamma on 109 and 110

[The Stage]

and still not sure what to think about daisy either i have been distracted with trying to figure this miller stuff out

towny self awareness

[The Stage]

btw I think pk is town

pisskop seemed towny based on generic tells but it's nothing good scum can't fake

[The Stage]

theta's overall attitude today seems very towny. on the other hand the content of her posts reeks of scum tmi. and i mean REEKS. if i really stretch my brain i can see theta's setup and kill spec coming from town with an overactive brain for setup spec. if i really really stretch my brain i can see town theta coming up with the idea that dragons was informed of everyone being millers.

[The Stage]

theta's overall attitude today seems very towny. on the other hand the content of her posts reeks of scum tmi. and i mean REEKS. if i really stretch my brain i can see theta's setup and kill spec coming from town with an overactive brain for setup spec. if i really really stretch my brain i can see town theta coming up with the idea that dragons was informed of everyone being millers.

I will say that I have seen townTheta really overthink things, and as you put it, suffer from an overactive brain.....especially when it comes to setup spec.

I really do think this is that same townTheta

-Drew

i'll take your word for it. on second thought i also do struggle to see the scum motivation for a lot of theta's posts too

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unless theta really struggles with scumposting and needs to look busy by doing mech i doubt that comes from scum

[The Stage]

I think I VOTE: Gamma right now. As much as actually seeing progression come from our convo was nice Gamma, your comments during my not-so-hot spurt of posts felt like you were a shark who'd just smelled blood in the water. You saw an easy push and you took it without fully considering whether or not the plays being made would actually be coming from scum, or if they were just bad play, and so I want to pressure here right now.

did gamma not explicitly consider whether your arguments could be coming from bad town though? he said at one point that if you are town then this is a very low bar for your play and that's why he thinks you're scum.

[The Stage]

I don't need to engage with you to get a read on you. It's sort of a waste of my time to do so.

how are you going to convince others of your solve if you're not going to even project a semblance of engagement

[The Stage]

i do not understand how anyone is scumread vip after his opening posts today. unless overnight he suddenly turned into prime radiantcowbells i am quite sure he is town

[The Stage]

Why did 2-Headed Dragon die?

2hd wasn’t a very influential voice but they were nonetheless active and fairly townread. probably just gamestate reasons. the one person who i think this kill does point to is gimli. he was a big wagon for most of yesterday but the wagon on him dissipated and near the end of the day people weren’t really expressing opinions on him and if i’m right and gimli is trying to deepwolf then that kill might point to him. gimli was also scumreading 2hd at the end of the day yesterday and in a town!gimli world scum are gonna want to push gimli in random directions and potentially encourage a gimli/2hd 1v1. i think scum would have this in consideration in a town!gimli world.

okay

I think its interesting that you didn't want to put pressure on me today for convoluted reasons but now I'm suddenly a *deepwolf*

when did i not want to put pressure on you today???

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daisy’s position on the poe coming from the alisae wagon is very misguided and wrong but probably not scum motivated

For the record when she actually sat down and solved she had most but not all suspects be on the wagon

what is your point here?

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that makes sense, i like this from gamma. forget what i said about gamma not towntelling haha

maria’s posts earlier yesterday seemed not very agenda-y but when i look at them today al i see is lots of performative lamist-ness

VOTE: gimli i like this for now

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I think I VOTE: Gamma right now. As much as actually seeing progression come from our convo was nice Gamma, your comments during my not-so-hot spurt of posts felt like you were a shark who'd just smelled blood in the water. You saw an easy push and you took it without fully considering whether or not the plays being made would actually be coming from scum, or if they were just bad play, and so I want to pressure here right now.

did gamma not explicitly consider whether your arguments could be coming from bad town though? she said at one point that if you are town then this is a very low bar for your play and that's why she thinks you're scum.

ebwop sorry about the pronouns

[The Stage]

i figured as much but wasn’t sure. i’ll do better in the future

[The Stage]

[VIP, Tanuki]
[Merlyn, Theta, Gamma, Daisy]
[Devil, pisskop]
——————————— NULL LINE
[Skygazer]
[Gimli, Maria]
[camel, HPE]

[The Stage]

I'd put all of {Merlyn, Theta, Gamma, Daisy, Stage, VIP} as towny for sure.
@Stage - why are you townreading Tanuki?

- Alianna

their claim, mostly

[The Stage]

[VIP, Tanuki]
[Merlyn, Theta, Gamma, Daisy]
[Devil, pisskop]
——————————— NULL LINE
[Skygazer]
[Gimli, Maria]
[camel, HPE]

[VIP, Tanuki]
[Merlyn, Theta, Gamma, Daisy]
[Devil, pisskop]
——————————— NULL LINE
[Skygazer]
[Gimli, Maria]
[camel, HPE]

I probably would have Gamma up on the top line(Alianna would agree) and Daisy below the null line(Alianna would disagree lol).

But otherwise I can vibe with these reads.

I just hope Fire respects our Alliance

-Drew

@Devils and @Stage, why so low on Sky? I like pretty much everything she posts

i have barely seen any ai content from her, my low read on sky is just vibes

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theta's overall attitude today seems very towny. on the other hand the content of her posts reeks of scum tmi. and i mean REEKS. if i really stretch my brain i can see theta's setup and kill spec coming from town with an overactive brain for setup spec. if i really really stretch my brain i can see town theta coming up with the idea that dragons was informed of everyone being millers.

a lot of stage's posts feel performative

'everyone being millers' and 'information that everyone is millers' is a thing going on in this game since page... 2? 1? how is that reeking of scum tmi? plus, if the overrall attitude is very towny, how is that negated or opposed to simple speculation like some players being informed?

anyway

it was more specifically that theta said that 2hd in particular must have been informed of everyone being miller

[The Stage]

1 in Gimli/Stage

maybe like stage/hpe/El are scum?

i see we're continuing the time-honored alisae tradition of scumreading whoever pushes you

[The Stage]

I'll just sheep maria

VOTE: the stage

hey gimli, mind explaining why you townread maria so much?

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i have barely seen any ai content from her, my low read on sky is just vibes

not to battle goose but how does one stop having scummy vibes? bc i get this from a couple folks every game

sound sure of yourself

make longer posts

have an anime girl profile picture

mostly the last one

[The Stage]

I also probably dislike HPE's posts

I rather like aggression in general, and HPE reads more as confident.

perhaps? i think that tell really depends on the player though and hpe seems like a very confident player in general

[The Stage]

V/LA 24 hours

[The Stage]

I was thinking Gimli was scum but his weirdness around Claire makes me second-guess, it’s less scummy-weird and more weird-weird

yeah - i can't really see his weirdness around maria coming from town gimli or scum gimli

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Skygazer, Camel, Gimli, and HPE, please come play with me. I'll be friendly with anyone but I think those four have some splaining to do. MariaR's not far behind.

would you be willing to vote gimli today?

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HPE, who is town?

This one most likes Oopsie, Theta and Maria. You're definitely growing on me, your slot was fuckin' weird until you showed up. Skygazer and Merlyn are kind on the peripheral of town for me.

who are your scumreads and why?

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i townread merlyn earlier in the game, but since then i have not seen anything ai from her. i still lean townread her and i don't see any real reason why i should wagon her

titus is one of my top townreads if not my top townread because of her predecessor's crazy towntelling at the start of the day. and honestly, vip was towntelling yesterday at the end of the day too and i was too tunneled to realize it.

snivy is meh, i mostly scumread him for reasons that others have said. i don't even remember why i was scumreading him that much.

daisy is similar to merlyn.

i scumread hpe quite a bit but i think the amount of useful info we'll get from an hpe wagon is next to none compared to the info we'll get from a gimli wagon. this game has been pretty dead for the past 2 days and a gimli wagon will revitalize it

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i townread merlyn earlier in the game, but since then i have not seen anything ai from her. i still lean townread her and i don't see any real reason why i should wagon her

titus is one of my top townreads if not my top townread because of her predecessor's crazy towntelling at the start of the day. and honestly, vip was towntelling yesterday at the end of the day too and i was too tunneled to realize it.

snivy is meh, i mostly scumread him for reasons that others have said. i don't even remember why i was scumreading him that much.

daisy is similar to merlyn.

i scumread hpe quite a bit but i think the amount of useful info we'll get from an hpe wagon is next to none compared to the info we'll get from a gimli wagon. this game has been pretty dead for the past 2 days and a gimli wagon will revitalize it

You and I strongly disagree on the amount of useful info.

enlighten me

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i townread merlyn earlier in the game, but since then i have not seen anything ai from her. i still lean townread her and i don't see any real reason why i should wagon her

titus is one of my top townreads if not my top townread because of her predecessor's crazy towntelling at the start of the day. and honestly, vip was towntelling yesterday at the end of the day too and i was too tunneled to realize it.

snivy is meh, i mostly scumread him for reasons that others have said. i don't even remember why i was scumreading him that much.

daisy is similar to merlyn.

i scumread hpe quite a bit but i think the amount of useful info we'll get from an hpe wagon is next to none compared to the info we'll get from a gimli wagon. this game has been pretty dead for the past 2 days and a gimli wagon will revitalize it

You and I strongly disagree on the amount of useful info.

enlighten me

clearly i have not been successfully enlightened

[The Stage]

VOTE: pisskop