BooneyToonz XVII: The Winston Chronicles [END]

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damn it i was beaten

i claim miller. that may or may not be my whole role.

VOTE: Merlyn

Oh yeah

I am also a miller.

I think this setup might have a role or twist that interacts with this. I believe my stab at running a booneytoonz had something of the sort.

And I had some terrible Dad joke I was going to make involving an old beer commercial when I first posted to say......

We are a Miller

What the shit Boon, what sort of game have you created??

But more imprtantly

VOTE: Tanuki

There can be only one hydra of a shit poster and an actual good player

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damn it i was beaten

i claim miller. that may or may not be my whole role.

VOTE: Merlyn

Oh yeah

I am also a miller.

I think this setup might have a role or twist that interacts with this. I believe my stab at running a booneytoonz had something of the sort.

And I had some terrible Dad joke I was going to make involving an old beer commercial when I first posted to say......

We are a Miller

What the shit Boon, what sort of game have you created??

But more imprtantly

VOTE: Tanuki

There can be only one hydra of a shit poster and an actual good player

-Drew

First post, already messing up

[Deal With The Devil]

One could say that this game is.......Miller Time

*cracks open beer and smiles into camera*

-Drew

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There can be only one hydra of a shit poster and an actual good player

Which of you is which? (genuine question)

That's what I was going to ask.

- Alianna

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There can be only one hydra of a shit poster and an actual good player

Which of you is which? (genuine question)

There can be only one hydra of a shit poster and an actual good player

Which of you is which? (genuine question)

That's what I was going to ask.

- Alianna

Well I am probably better at fake claims and at reading Flavor Leaf, but she is better at most everything else, except rolling scum.

And apparently I gotta step up my shit posting quality if the answer to your question wasn't already obvious lol.

-Drew

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i dont have any miller puns

ya, Snivy is useless

-Drew

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i dont have any miller puns

ya, Snivy is useless

-Drew

Lol, I was hoping you would ger the reference.

And you are far from useless, you repped into the geriatric game like Mariano Rivera and closed it out for us!

-Drew

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I don't think the miller claims are inherently towny
Given how many of them there are already I imagine the scum faction/s would have some pre-game knowledge of there being a lot of us

Hmmm, I kinda was thinking a bit more kooky. Like, maybe all town starts as miller's.....then their actual role is revealed at a later time?

Is this a bit to nutty of a thought??

-Drew

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I don't think the miller claims are inherently towny
Given how many of them there are already I imagine the scum faction/s would have some pre-game knowledge of there being a lot of us

Hmmm, I kinda was thinking a bit more kooky. Like, maybe all town starts as miller's.....then their actual role is revealed at a later time?

Is this a bit to nutty of a thought??

-Drew

I don't think that's even possible in the setup.

- Alianna

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I don't think the miller claims are inherently towny
Given how many of them there are already I imagine the scum faction/s would have some pre-game knowledge of there being a lot of us

Hmmm, I kinda was thinking a bit more kooky. Like, maybe all town starts as miller's.....then their actual role is revealed at a later time?

Is this a bit to nutty of a thought??

-Drew

I don't think that's even possible in the setup.

- Alianna

See? This is another thing you are better at.....reeling my crazy thoughts in.

-Drew

Pre Edit: Yes Merlyn, as basic a Miller as the beer

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damn it i was beaten

i claim miller. that may or may not be my whole role.

VOTE: Merlyn

Oh yeah

I am also a miller.

I think this setup might have a role or twist that interacts with this. I believe my stab at running a booneytoonz had something of the sort.

hi everyone

i'm a miller too!

...This one is also a Miller.

There appears to be but a wee handful of Millers in the game, hmm?

can't believe my whole team outted themselves on page one.
Yall beat me to it

I don't get to be scum?

- Alianna

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Can I at least be a serial miller?

- Alianna

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I don't think the miller claims are inherently towny
Given how many of them there are already I imagine the scum faction/s would have some pre-game knowledge of there being a lot of us

Hmmm, I kinda was thinking a bit more kooky. Like, maybe all town starts as miller's.....then their actual role is revealed at a later time?

Is this a bit to nutty of a thought??

-Drew

So, are saying your role is just miller?

What made you want to ask this?

- Alianna

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I don't think the miller claims are inherently towny
Given how many of them there are already I imagine the scum faction/s would have some pre-game knowledge of there being a lot of us

Hmmm, I kinda was thinking a bit more kooky. Like, maybe all town starts as miller's.....then their actual role is revealed at a later time?

Is this a bit to nutty of a thought??

-Drew

So, are saying your role is just miller?

What made you want to ask this?

- Alianna

My role has two parts, and I was thinking everyone's did

Is Miller Scum a new beer they are trying out?

-Drew

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Can there be reverse millers in this game?

As in Godfather? That's ContraBoon'd.

- Alianna

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I wonder if someone's like a de-miller-ifyer

I get the impression that this is basically "normal but spicier" so I don't think I'd be expecting role changes. Miller-enabler, maybe? Though I don't know what the point of that would be.

- Alianna

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okay i am in no way going to serious play this game day but what i am going to do is accept applications for an alliance.

u might ask urself, what is the benefit to an alliance with tanuki? Well let me tell u:
1) I am on the scum team so I can tell my teammates to night kill u if u desire death or avoid u like the plague. Dealers choice on that once u sign up.
2) Great health benefits. See above
3) I won't vote you. Unless you want me to for some reason.
4) I am more likely to sheep you. I will only sheep my accepted allies
5) I may have magical mystic powers that will grant your wishes. I may not though so this is a buyer beware kind of item.


Application:
Name: put ur name here dummy
Qualifications: idk what makes u a good ally
References: hopefully someone in this game because we can't discuss this outside of this game.
Personal statement: a short one two sentences of what your current goals are with this game.

Deal With The Devil
You know my record in Boon's games(Drew speaking now)
Well, both of your heads....Ali....I am sure Gamma or Merlyn could put in a good word as well
I just want to defend my Boony Toonz Crown, and brought reinforcements in Alianna.....who by all counts covers up all my glaring weaknesses. It would be your loss not to ally with us actually

-Drew

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You should ally with us because we're a serial miller and we'll mill you if you don't.

- Alianna

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I think everyone posting in the first couple of pages are probably town and scum are more likely in the nonposters either way

This certainly is a take.

Explain why?

-Drew

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One could say that this game is.......Miller Time

*cracks open beer and smiles into camera*

-Drew

My urge to vote this pun is really high.

Are you already giving up your gimmick?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

One could say that this game is.......Miller Time

*cracks open beer and smiles into camera*

-Drew

My urge to vote this pun is really high.

Are you already giving up your gimmick?

-Drew

Ten syllables are in that post of mine!

Dammit

I miscounted, where is Alianna to catch this things for me?

-Drew

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Tanuki's posts just don't sit right with me.

You do know that one head likes to enjoy
A fair bit of tomfoolery and sass

Pre Edit: What exactly do you mean?

[Deal With The Devil]

Tanuki's posts just don't sit right with me.

You do know that one head likes to enjoy
A fair bit of tomfoolery and sass

Pre Edit: What exactly do you mean?

-Drew

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I believe Merlyn to be town

Best I got for now, will read more when on laptop

-Drew

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This post seems kind of stiff from Doctor Drew,
so I will move my vote to this hydra.
VOTE: Doctor Drew

You only voting half the hydra?

Yes, my incompetence has no known bounds.
VOTE: Deal with the devil

Alianna is going to be pissed I flipped scum while she somehow still flipped town.

-Drew

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nothing you've done is out of your scum range

true, but what i've done is also all in my town range too, and I feel like currently I should be more townie than scummy in your eyes.

In your WHAT?!

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

I don't think a townie should ever be worried about posting in their "town range".

UNVOTE:
VOTE: OopsieDaisy

I don't think that post suggests Daisy is worried about posting in her townrange, just countering what Elements said about it also being in her scumrange, and I don't know where you get this interpretation.

- Alianna

P-edit: fluffposting isn't scummy.

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Also birds are government surveillance drones.

VOTE: Aneninen

- Alianna

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Stage, your #249 looks acceptable.

Please, please, someone help me how to link a post with its number! I forgot how to do that!

Code: Select all

[post]249[/post]

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Also, are you meaning to say that none of me/Erinys/Claire/Alisae have scumhunted at all?

Who is Claire?

- Alianna

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It’s what works best for me

^^Town

-Drew

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it's found but you've apparently been bouncing all over the place with votes huh

I read this as a town thing to do

Same here.

HPE, why are you pushing hydra dissonance as a scummy thing? All this shade you are giving DragonHero seems performative, like you think you can push this as a wagon, not that you think they are scum.

Also, I thought I asked it earlier of Iambic(possible I only thought of it without putting pen to paper), but can you elaborate on what made my first post stuff and why this makes it scummy.....I have a theory on the intentions of your vote on us, but want to explains things a bit more before I discuss that.

-Drew

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good question. good question.
As scum i do need town allies, but i also want u to scumread me.
But i also want my allies to shit post a lot.

Think u got to shit post more before ur welcome into the legion of doom as a town player

If I had a 2 shot day vig ability I would use them both on you, is that good enough of a scum read?

And my shit posting ability is way better than my Mafia ability, so there is that.

-Drew

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also did i mention i just don't have scumreads this game (except for tanuki obviously)

Then what of your vote on Oopsie, and intent to vote Merlyn too?

That's just more fuel for "hey what do you MEAN you don't have scumreads". This one doesn't have any because it's fucking bad at making reads it's found but you've apparently been bouncing all over the place with votes huh. And evidently not very in-tune with your other head, either.

This certainly reads that you are setting them up for a vote.

And yes, I am the titular Devil in this hydra.

Alianna is the pure innocent Angel.

-Drew

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And yes, I am the titular Devil in this hydra.

Alianna is the pure innocent Angel.

-Drew

well that's disappointing, i always thought it referred to alianna having to strike a deal with the devil in order to mind control drew into accepting the hydra

I remember it being the opposite, where Ali didn't plan to play in a game until Devil Drew sweet talked her into a hydra

Yes I was actually going to say this, I asked her if she wanted to make a deal with the devil.

HPE, this defensive seems a bit of an overreaction.

Pre Edit: The one game we played it did sort turn into me being the literal devil lol

[Deal With The Devil]

And yes, I am the titular Devil in this hydra.

Alianna is the pure innocent Angel.

-Drew

well that's disappointing, i always thought it referred to alianna having to strike a deal with the devil in order to mind control drew into accepting the hydra

I remember it being the opposite, where Ali didn't plan to play in a game until Devil Drew sweet talked her into a hydra

Yes I was actually going to say this, I asked her if she wanted to make a deal with the devil.

HPE, this defensive seems a bit of an overreaction.

Pre Edit: The one game we played it did sort turn into me being the literal devil lol

Drew obviously

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I don't know how a Fire!Traitor would ACTUALLY signal traitor.

I actually thought it would so much easier to differentiate between Fire and Cephs post even without them signing it, but even that is confusing me!

I could see Fire I open wolfing to that degree with the application thing, but now I am their ally(their hydra I mean) so I need to protect them.

I will let Alianna try to sort them lol.

-Drew

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I don't know how a Fire!Traitor would ACTUALLY signal traitor.

I actually thought it would so much easier to differentiate between Fire and Cephs post even without them signing it, but even that is confusing me!

I could see Fire I open wolfing to that degree with the application thing, but now I am their ally(their hydra I mean) so I need to protect them.

I will let Alianna try to sort them lol.

-Drew

drew, what do you think of vip?

I will say I had no idea who VIP was before someone explained it, and was unnecessarily confusing trying to skim the thread. But now that I know who it is, I will be part of the problem and call them VIP.

But as far as I think about them, I am letting Alianna's vote on them marinate for a bit, the post that triggered the vote by Alianna on VIP does seem a bit suss so I would like to see a response from VIP on the vote.

-Drew

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anyways in terms of recent developments:
.elements wagon yippee wahoo
.glad to see el does admit they're in their scumrange more than their townrange right now. it's nice to get validation for my read there.

don't rly have much else to add, i've sorta just been on and off looking at the thread and nothing's sparked my interest bar the above.

How do you feel about HPE?

How do you feel about the Devil?

-Drew

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it's found but you've apparently been bouncing all over the place with votes huh

I read this as a town thing to do

Same here.

HPE, why are you pushing hydra dissonance as a scummy thing? All this shade you are giving DragonHero seems performative, like you think you can push this as a wagon, not that you think they are scum.

Also, I thought I asked it earlier of Iambic(possible I only thought of it without putting pen to paper), but can you elaborate on what made my first post stuff and why this makes it scummy.....I have a theory on the intentions of your vote on us, but want to explains things a bit more before I discuss that.

-Drew

welcome to the game, man

I'm townlocking drew for this post alone

No you are supposed to town read Alianna, I am the scummy one.

But glad I could join lol, been a minute since we played together

-Drew

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okay i am convinced. drew can be an ally
but alliana cannot.
i don't know how that will work out, but we will see how that goes

whichever head posted this, can you tell me what pinged as town!drew that made you write that?

This did seem like obvious shit posting, I really hope it is Cephir though......I would love to see their take on said shit posting.

-Drew

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alisae is maybe scum er posts are f tier

I feel like I should have known this, but should I refer to Alisae as er? I usually default to they, but I feel like I may be being disrespectful.

As far as scumAli, this feels somewhat similar to what I have seen from townAli as of late. But, I know what Ali is capable of so I will let Ali cook a bit, before I read Ali one way or another.

-Drew

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both hydras are probably town

is this all three? wanna clarify cause i'd usually interpret both as meaning a pair

This is the most wholesome snark I have ever seen, love the subtle dig at Gimli.....yet being so nice about it.

Hey FireCeph, Daisy should be in the Alliance as well.

-Drew

Pre Edit: Huh, now Iambic's reasoning for voting me makes even less sense

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I always like to vote you at the start!

I always like to vote you at the start!

Ya but here you just made up a reason.

I don't know what is wrong with me tonight.

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

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^^Drew

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I always like to vote you at the start!

Ya but here you just made up a reason.

I always like to vote you at the start!

I don't know what is wrong with me tonight.

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

Fixed for messed up quote lol(what is wrong with me!)

-Drew

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I always like to vote you at the start!

Ya but here you just made up a reason.

The way you came in claiming how you did,
it made me think you had something to prove.
Does that make any better sort of sense?

I always like to vote you at the start!

I don't know what is wrong with me tonight.

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

Sleep deprivation is the likely cause.

I wanted to make a bad Miller Time joke to claim miller, then was thrown off when Snivy claimed miller before me......then saw in preview that someone else claimed miller. I even told Alianna to let me post first so I could make the joke.

So I was thrown off a bit lol.

Though I did shoe horn my Miller Time joke later on lol.

-Drew

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I will say that knowing your main, I don't think my theory of you only voting me and not the hydra initially as a bit of a slip holds much wait(I thought you might have been someone who thought you could easily push me to look bad).

-Drew

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Give me a person to IsO I need to force content so I can't be exiled later

ISO the two-headed dragon.

- Alianna

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Alisae is very convincing and probably also town (but not just for that post).

- Alianna

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Alisae is very convincing and probably also town (but not just for that post).

- Alianna

That post as in 711.

[Deal With The Devil]

Alisae is very convincing and probably also town (but not just for that post).

- Alianna

Alisae is not town.
Bring drew back. He is the sensible devil!

You are obvtown. I will bet this game, my life, and my firstborn child that you are town.

- Alianna

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Alisae is very convincing and probably also town (but not just for that post).

- Alianna

Alisae is not town.
Bring drew back. He is the sensible devil!

You are obvtown. I will bet this game, my life, and my firstborn child that you are town.

- Alianna

Does this mean i get ur firstborn child?

Yeah, you get the child.

- Alianna

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Alisae is very convincing and probably also town (but not just for that post).

- Alianna

Alisae is not town.
Bring drew back. He is the sensible devil!

You are obvtown. I will bet this game, my life, and my firstborn child that you are town.

- Alianna

That post was a joke but this is also unironically how I feel about Stage btw.

- Alianna

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Yeah, you get the child.

i can finally start my child labor camps i have always wanted to do

Okay, maybe you are a scummy criminal after all.

- Alianna

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damn it i was beaten

i claim miller. that may or may not be my whole role.

VOTE: Merlyn

this is the first miller claim.
this is the one that gets the towncred and the town pass.

I'd actually give the second one a bit of a townpass too, though it wouldn't mean anything if scum are informed of the shenanigans.

- Alianna

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damn it i was beaten

i claim miller. that may or may not be my whole role.

VOTE: Merlyn

this is the first miller claim.
this is the one that gets the towncred and the town pass.

I'd actually give the second one a bit of a townpass too, though it wouldn't mean anything if scum are informed of the shenanigans.

- Alianna

2nd one is gamma right?
gamma can be a weaker tr ig?

Yeah, second was Gamma.

- Alianna

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Alianna should I just let u pocket me for a day phase or two?

We should form the Ali Alliance.

- Alianna

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Actually, I'll just post the half a readslist I made earlier, with a couple edits. Some people aren't on it because I'm not finishing ISOs at 1 AM. Quote tag for visibility on light themes (even though the light themes are demonic).

{

The Stage

,

Theta Alpine

,

Merlyn

,

Alisae

}
{

Two Headed Dragon

,

camelCasedSnivy

}
{

iambic pentameter

,

Gamma Emerald

}
{

MariaR

,

PenguinPower

,

Tanuki the Bold

} - null line
{

Aneninen

}

- Alianna

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Actually, I'll just post the half a readslist I made earlier, with a couple edits. Some people aren't on it because I'm not finishing ISOs at 1 AM. Quote tag for visibility on light themes (even though the light themes are demonic).

{

The Stage

,

Theta Alpine

,

Merlyn

,

Alisae

}
{

Two Headed Dragon

,

camelCasedSnivy

}
{

iambic pentameter

,

Gamma Emerald

}
{

MariaR

,

PenguinPower

,

Tanuki the Bold

} - null line
{

Aneninen

}

- Alianna

It skews town because my lists always skew town.

- Alianna

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Spoiler: quotes

I don't think that post suggests Daisy is worried about posting in her townrange, just countering what Elements said about it also being in her scumrange, and I don't know where you get this interpretation.

For me that sounded as if Daisy were cautious enough to remain in her "town range". I can't see a reason for that if someone's actually town.

this is the kind of axiomatic thinking gamma warned against

reasons for why town might be concerned about remaining in her townrange have been explained to you. and you getting "scum vibes" from daisy's response is just a bad post-hoc justification

I think Oopsie and Elly are town both for their clash on page 10 and some of their posting.

Idk how much I like this, because since my push onto em and our lil convo there it feels like El has kinda disengaged from the game. I expect a town!El to be proactive here and to be unearthing reads themselves, poking/prodding/asking people questions likely around our 1v1 to deepen their understanding of the game and fish for info that'll be useful later. Instead they've just sorta slunk away from the big convos and I don't like that.

Like if El was town and genuinely read me as scum they'd be doing so much work to convince others of this imo, but I'm not seeing it. They could be unsure and not saying, that would explain it, but we'll see what they say when they're back.

town post

scum are more likely to agree with someone calling a fight of theirs tvt and accept the townread on them and reconsider on elements. daisy continuing to scumread elements indicates that daisy's elements scumread is likely genuine

VOTE: VIP

there's a difference between town illogical reads and scum illogical reads and vip is definitely in the latter category. i don't think that he actually believes what he's saying. his posts strongly remind me of newbie scum trying to force reads and i don't see how town who is genuinely trying to solve could reasonably arrive at a lot of his conclusions

Here's some Stage quotes I like.
I do get a bit of a "scum busywork" vibe from VIP's posts, and I think that's somewhat similar to what you brought up in the last quote.
I question if it's just his playstyle throwing me off but I'll leave the vote there for now unless Drew wants to change it.

- Alianna

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the more nonsense i hear from alianna that alisae is town the more i just want to bully her

ALISAE IS TOWN! ALISAE IS TOWN! ALISAE IS TOWN!

- Alianna

P-edit: I wasn't in TM and I'm not about to read it.

[Deal With The Devil]

Actually, I'll just post the half a readslist I made earlier, with a couple edits. Some people aren't on it because I'm not finishing ISOs at 1 AM. Quote tag for visibility on light themes (even though the light themes are demonic).

{

The Stage

,

Theta Alpine

,

Merlyn

,

Alisae

}
{

Two Headed Dragon

,

camelCasedSnivy

}
{

iambic pentameter

,

Gamma Emerald

}
{

MariaR

,

PenguinPower

,

Tanuki the Bold

} - null line
{

Aneninen

}

- Alianna

where is gimli

Gimli is one of the people I don't feel like ISOing at 1 AM.
Drew is suspicious of how quick Gimli obtowned him though.

- Alianna

- Alianna

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- Alianna

- Alianna

How'd that happen?

- Alianna

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nothing you've done is out of your scum range

true, but what i've done is also all in my town range too, and I feel like currently I should be more townie than scummy in your eyes.

In your WHAT?!

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

I don't think a townie should ever be worried about posting in their "town range".

UNVOTE:
VOTE: OopsieDaisy

how about we start from scratch and we look for what people actually do not what we think they should and shouldn't do

^^^

[Deal With The Devil]

Give me a person to IsO I need to force content so I can't be exiled later

ISO the two-headed dragon.

- Alianna

y?

~the more talkative head (so far)

Because you were also one of the people I didn't want to ISO at 1 AM and I was making Maria do my work for me.

- Alianna

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I don't think the miller claims are inherently towny
Given how many of them there are already I imagine the scum faction/s would have some pre-game knowledge of there being a lot of us

Hmmm, I kinda was thinking a bit more kooky. Like, maybe all town starts as miller's.....then their actual role is revealed at a later time?

Is this a bit to nutty of a thought??

-Drew

how do u go about faking setup speculation as a wolf drew?
How did u do it in Demon Slayer? Did u even do it in Demon Slayer cuz I don't remember LOL

The only thing I remember about Demon Slayer is you, Fire, and Gmo all trying to end the game as the top poster lol. And I always try to imagine the kookiest scenario, wolf or not

Alianna should I just let u pocket me for a day phase or two?

We should form the Ali Alliance.

- Alianna

I wish i had a hydra gun to kill hydra partners. I would shoot u in an instant and leave drew alive

Oh no! She is the one driving the town side of our hydra, balance must be maintained!

-Drew

I am just now realizing my boo boo

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@alianna i'm going to endanger my anonymity and ask you for an unofficial vc.

thanks

~a very lazy dragon (who is not called std)

At your service.

Alisae [5]: Tanuki The Bold, Elements, Gimli, Two Headed Dragon, Aneninen
Elements [3]: OopsieDaisy, MariaR, The Stage
Aneninen [3]: Deal With The Devil, CamelCasedSnivy, PenguinPower
Tanuki the Bold [1]: HighPrincessErinys
Gimli [1]: Alisae
Deal With The Devil [1]: iambic pentameter

Not Voting [3]: Theta Alpine, Merlyn, Gamma Emerald

Didn't actually read the posts yet, just skimmed for votes, but I don't like that Alisae is top wagon.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

i am gonna have to agree with that

what exactly is the reason why alisae suddenly has five people on them

i mean i do not have a town read on them but
i do not have a scum read either

i would prefer elements over alisae to be honest

What's the Elements case?

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

@alianna i'm going to endanger my anonymity and ask you for an unofficial vc.

thanks

~a very lazy dragon (who is not called std)

At your service.

Alisae [5]: Tanuki The Bold, Elements, Gimli, Two Headed Dragon, Aneninen
Elements [3]: OopsieDaisy, MariaR, The Stage
Aneninen [3]: Deal With The Devil, CamelCasedSnivy, PenguinPower
Tanuki the Bold [1]: HighPrincessErinys
Gimli [1]: Alisae
Deal With The Devil [1]: iambic pentameter

Not Voting [3]: Theta Alpine, Merlyn, Gamma Emerald

Didn't actually read the posts yet, just skimmed for votes, but I don't like that Alisae is top wagon.

- Alianna

you know, one day i will actually nominate you for best mod

ya better watch out

I guess I'm the mod even when I'm not the mod.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

@the stage
@deal with the devil
@penguin power
@camelcasedsnivy
@iambic pentameter
@mariar

do you guys mind consolidating votes on tanuki?

We're three days in, why do we need to consolidate?
I could vote there, but I think I would want to get Drew's input on that.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Theta Alpine

why theta?

Townbinning the desperate claim. I don't think it's impossible for her to claim that as scum but I'm not interested in pushing there today.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

We're three days in, why do we need to consolidate?
I could vote there, but I think I would want to get Drew's input on that.

- Alianna

well it's too late now, now is time for a gimli wagon.

also why won't you consolidate 3 days in, actually?

Still haven't gotten around to reading him lol.
I generally interpret "consolidate" as "actually start thinking about executing someone" and I don't think we are ready to actually start thinking about executing someone.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Still haven't gotten around to reading him lol.
I generally interpret "consolidate" as "actually start thinking about executing someone" and I don't think we are ready to actually start thinking about executing someone.

- Alianna

first of all, while i understand what you say, the only way to get out of rvs is to act as if you are out of rvs. the only way to get ready to execute someone is to act ready to execute someone. if you are voting with no intent of killing at all, your vote has less impact, and people won't react properly, so you will have less reads.

second of all, don't read him. read 938 and 947 and click the quoted posts. this should be enough of a scumcase by itself.

I don't like this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Reaching the part of my catchup where we put Alisae at E-2 for some reason what are we DOING here people

When was Alisae at E-2? Thought they only had 5 votes.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

...

[Deal With The Devil]

I'll take this.

[Deal With The Devil]

I'll take this.

- Alianna, obviously

[Deal With The Devil]

honestly yeah bird would be a good investigation target

the problem is actually having an investigative in a game where uh
near everyone is a miller

If ur an invest just do it and don’t ask questions

If you're an invest (or if you're not), also don't out yourself responding to Alisae's post.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

thats a fine core other than alisae who is scum alongside elements

Can you give me a 100 word minimum explanation on why Ali is scum

alisae is playing the scummiest I ever saw er play.

remember when e was saying firebringer was traitor signaling? that's a scumtell, e would never care about that if e was town cause e is good at mafia.

all the other posts are weak sauce, commentary, blending in, charming people, it's all pocket-y and very little substance.

the substance e manages to put forward feels convoluted, inorganic, and empty of all life.

I have no idea why e is getting townreads.

Why? What does that even mean?

I'm not getting this from Alisae at all.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Drew is telling me he'd go for a Gimli wagon so VOTE: Gimli.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Still haven't gotten around to reading him lol.
I generally interpret "consolidate" as "actually start thinking about executing someone" and I don't think we are ready to actually start thinking about executing someone.

- Alianna

first of all, while i understand what you say, the only way to get out of rvs is to act as if you are out of rvs. the only way to get ready to execute someone is to act ready to execute someone. if you are voting with no intent of killing at all, your vote has less impact, and people won't react properly, so you will have less reads.

second of all, don't read him. read 938 and 947 and click the quoted posts. this should be enough of a scumcase by itself.

I don't like this, but

I can't quite put my finger on why.

- Alianna

wait can you actually explain what didn't you like

[Deal With The Devil]

also get drew to come here so i can convince him to convince you that i'm not scummy and you should accept being in my towncore.

I also wouldn't say I'm scumreading you.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

okay let me rephrase

i realized that you can't put your finger on it

i was trying to understand if you scumread me or just don't like the wagon

The last line gives me a sus vibe and I can't decide if it's actually scummy or not.

- Alianna

P-edit: Goodnight!

[Deal With The Devil]

alianna took 3 minutes to write that post lol

I opened up the post reply thingy and then got sidetracked lol.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Page27

But as far as I think about them, I am letting Alianna's vote on them marinate for a bit, the post that triggered the vote by Alianna on VIP does seem a bit suss so I would like to see a response from VIP on the vote.

Which vote? Alianna's? She called me a drone. I'll be aware of it next time when I'm asked on a webpage whether I'm a robot.

I do actually think 281 looked a bit misreppy though.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I also have no idea why hero is voting me but they should really really not be voting me

Yeah I don’t like them hopping from one sketchy wagon to possibly another

They also feel like they’re being intentionally dissonant

Isn't that the same thing they accused Gimli of?

- Alianna

P-edit: Jealous you're not in it?

[Deal With The Devil]

That last one actually took me 3 minutes for some reason, felt like 3 seconds lol.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I have been given permission to

VOTE: Gimli

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

im thinking the stage, HPE, and my spicy last is penguinpower! actually not spicy penguinpower probably tastes sweet.

I have HPE as town currently
Stage I have as possible scum but they haven’t directly pinged me I think

What did you mean by you think Stage is scum, but they haven't pinged you?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Also I will say, Alisae brought up Demon Slayer in regards to me earlier, and now is a point of discussion in regards to the Fire/Alisae back and forth.

If memory serves me correctly about the amount of thread spamming they did that game, it was done on purpose......and I see a bit of that from both of them here.

Lately I have seen townAlisae be more passive then they are here, and like I got town pings from them earlier but it is making me say hmmm.

But there is a part of me that gets being strung up when you are town, brings out the more aggressively defensive side of me as well.

My gut treats me well, I will still town bin Alisae for now.....but with a watchful eye.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

vip's mafia pov is that he wants to scumread as many people as possible to ensure his own survival

this is very common among newbie scum

This feels like bad logic, the read can be right but I think VIP at least knows that creating multiple targets won’t to much to get the target off his back

i’m saying that he didn’t have a target on his back beforehand and approached the game like how newbscum would

Ya, Stage is town

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

This will ping Drew.

I'm kind of at the point where I am happy with my reads I just wanna end day and consolidate on someone. My top 2 rows including myself is 9 that would be enough to get lethal on someone. idunno I want flips.

Why exactly would this ping me?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

This will ping Drew.

I'm kind of at the point where I am happy with my reads I just wanna end day and consolidate on someone. My top 2 rows including myself is 9 that would be enough to get lethal on someone. idunno I want flips.

Why exactly would this ping me?

-Drew

I WANNA END THE DAY

Oh you just wanted my attention haha

I feel so special

What's the VC looking like?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

No one wants Gimli anymore? That's disappointing.

What's the case for Penguin?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

No one wants Gimli anymore? That's disappointing.

What's the case for Penguin?

-Drew

I mean I'll take dead thread over this thread

Aww, I thought you liked me?

i mean if gimli is not miller then investigative roles can do their thing on gimli so

would prefer elements in that situation

That makes sense, RE: investigating Gims

Ali, why should I trust you in regards to El?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Ali, why should I trust you in regards to El?

you don't trust me!
I have them as null and am happy to vote them out.
I am trusting Gimli and Daisy who are a lot more confident in being able to read the player.
You could ask why am I trusting Gimli. My answer would be it's D1 so it's fine to take a leap of faith + the elements flip seems really good for the gamestate. Daisy herself said that her and elements is never a TvT and that this isn't how Daisy and Elements get into a TvT. I TR Daisy right now so Elements seems like a really good vote

Goddamit Ali, the more sense you make the less I trust you haha.

If El flips town I will have my eyes on you, and make sure Alianna's eyes are on you as well.

That's four eyes, and my alliance with Fire will be in question.....so maybe even six eyes. So many eyes on you!

I am overtired lol.

VOTE: elements

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

I need Alianna here to make sense of all this, I am too dumb, drunk, and tired to figure out Ali/Gims/Pickleball

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Alianna isn't around tonight to help me out, so you are stuck with my drunken ramblings.

First of which, and just relayed it to her in our hydra PT, I don't think I trust Alisae anymore. So many pings that make me say Demon Slayer 2.0 here

UNVOTE:

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Alianna isn't around tonight to help me out, so you are stuck with my drunken ramblings.

First of which, and just relayed it to her in our hydra PT, I don't think I trust Alisae anymore. So many pings that make me say Demon Slayer 2.0 here

UNVOTE:

-Drew

what pings

Just I haven't seen this specific energy from them since Demon Slayer.

Feels like they are manipulating the game......a few people even said today how they wonder how Ali can keep getting people to do what Ali wants.

I don't like it

Back to my gut, and calling his bluff now

VOTE: Gimli

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

VOTE: Aneninen

Do you just want to Lim anyone and get to the night?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Also we may have to form a search party to find Alianna.....does anyone know how to work a dog sled?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

VOTE: Aneninen

y not hpe

I definitely could go hpe.

Also we may have to form a search party to find Alianna.....does anyone know how to work a dog sled?

-Drew

i'm sure elements does

Are they from the great white north as well?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Fber asked if anyone had a decent reason to tr aliase and everyone ignored cause there isnt any

i liked ali's gimli case earlier and while i do get a bit of pause from his townread of you after the self-vote i think that it's genuine. all things considered i think alisae is likely town. even if i'm only considering the reasons i have to scumread alisae and throwing out all the reasons i have to townread alisae, it's not enough to make me want to lim him.

This post from you, Stage, makes me want to vote Ali since I think it also sorts you and Gims for me.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Pop locking in to say that the search party has failed to find Alianna, they feat the wolves got her

In her honor I wish to take revenge on the wolves hidden in this game

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

I wonder if alianna is a massive lurker as scum (not gonna check it myself)

Seriously?

You know I am her hydra partner right?

And according to a quick pop in she made in the hydra PT two days ago, real life got in the way a bit.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

okay

(but is she a lurker as scum? cause IDK if my drew townread isn't getting a little old now)

The only experience I have with her as scum was ironically her in a hydra with RH and Aisa.

I don't remember her lurking at all though.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

I wonder if alianna is a massive lurker as scum (not gonna check it myself)

Seriously?

You know I am her hydra partner right?

And according to a quick pop in she made in the hydra PT two days ago, real life got in the way a bit.

-Drew

okay

you are now the second person that replies to me answering something I didn't ask but okay

And the first person to actually answer you question.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

And I was more heated that I knew she had some real life things going on and you were using it as a scum tell.

But I get you wouldn't know that.....so my bad on that end.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Fber asked if anyone had a decent reason to tr aliase and everyone ignored cause there isnt any

i liked ali's gimli case earlier and while i do get a bit of pause from his townread of you after the self-vote i think that it's genuine. all things considered i think alisae is likely town. even if i'm only considering the reasons i have to scumread alisae and throwing out all the reasons i have to townread alisae, it's not enough to make me want to lim him.

This post from you, Stage, makes me want to vote Ali since I think it also sorts you and Gims for me.

-Drew

how does it sort stage?

I feel if Ali flipped scum it makes me feel better about you, and worse about Stage.

I have kinda been feeling that Ali will flip scum as well.

Honestly would love to flip Stage though.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

vip's mafia pov is that he wants to scumread as many people as possible to ensure his own survival

this is very common among newbie scum

This feels like bad logic, the read can be right but I think VIP at least knows that creating multiple targets won’t to much to get the target off his back

i’m saying that he didn’t have a target on his back beforehand and approached the game like how newbscum would

Ya, Stage is town

-Drew

Yes Stage I did town read you, but then you made this post:

Fber asked if anyone had a decent reason to tr aliase and everyone ignored cause there isnt any

i liked ali's gimli case earlier and while i do get a bit of pause from his townread of you after the self-vote i think that it's genuine. all things considered i think alisae is likely town. even if i'm only considering the reasons i have to scumread alisae and throwing out all the reasons i have to townread alisae, it's not enough to make me want to lim him.

This post from you, Stage, makes me want to vote Ali since I think it also sorts you and Gims for me.

-Drew

Made me say 'hmmm'

Hence why I like the idea of flipping Ali

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Drew was rebutting the idea that she was lurking, the clapback was extremely uncalled-for.

extremely

drew got upset, I tried explaining with the fewest possible words that my question was if alianna lurks as scum, that was it. I wasn't saying she was lurking, I was asking if she lurks.

now thank you for being insulted for someone else

I appreciate you Gamma, but it's cool.

I really don't think Gims meant to be disrespectful or anything......if anything I reacted a little too harshly and abruptly.

But Gims, I hope you did read my somewhat response to your question lol.

I do agree we need to consolidate on someone though.

Not sure why I can't pull the trigger on Ali though

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

thats exactly why im voting merlyn

Been meaning to ask you.

Why are you putting Merlyn and Penguin in the same category?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Also fuck it

VOTE: Alisae

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

HI I'M ALIVE!
Sorry I dropped off the face of the earth, Meat World has not been kind to me, but I should be able to read up tonight.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

HI I'M ALIVE!
Sorry I dropped off the face of the earth, Meat World has not been kind to me, but I should be able to read up tonight.

- Alianna

Rejoice! The search team out did even what I thought they were capable of.

Now let's go kill some wolves after we celebrate!

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

We have been playing the game, so that just feels like a discredit

Maybe like, you have, Cephrir? But methinks the idea of hydraing up with FB was a critical flaw because it feels like every post from you is several layers of useless shitposting.

Hoo boy do I have issues with this!

I've been shit posting too, and Fire has been putting in effort too. "Every post" is clearly not true and demonstrates a lack of attention. And this implies that you are more interested in a play style lim than finding scum, as though we were fated to be targeted by you because Firebringer is here no matter what. Which does match up with your complete lack of interest in reading the numerous posts where FB is trying.

Ya I don't like this criticism of both you and Fire. I would say this is some of the most effort I have seen from Fire early in a game. And I apologize to you ceph, I didn't know you had shit posting in you lol.

My biggest worry would be, and this is mainly paranoia, is if Fire would effort more as scum. But if anything when I was scum with him, the effort wasn't as obvious as it is here.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

VOTE: hpe

i've lost most of my wim at this point, we need a flip

Kinda with you here, and after some reassessments I do think Ali is more likely town here, and in celebration of Alianna being found(she actually had a town read on you), I will join you here.

VOTE: hpe

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

I have attempted to read the last 40 pages and forgotten...all of it.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I really want a VC rn

@alianna

you wanna be a darling?

I need a reference VC too, idk what's going on. One minute.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

HighPrincessErinys [6]: MariaR, Tanuki the Bold, Two Headed Dragon, The Stage, Deal With The Devil, camelCasedSnivy
Elements [4]: Merlyn, PenguinPower, OopsieDaisy, Skygazer
PenguinPower [3]: Gamma Emerald, Elements, Alisae
Alisae [2]: Gimli, Theta Alpine
Tanuki The Bold [1]: HighPrincessErinys
MariaR [1]: Aneninen

[Deal With The Devil]

I lied, I remember one post. 1376 was basically exactly my thoughts on Penguin.
I don't mind that wagon but I am fine letting Drew decide our vote today.
Agree we should be consolidating though, please not another 40 pages today.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

HPE FLIPS TOWN

Why does HPE flip town?

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

HPE FLIPS TOWN

Why does HPE flip town?

- Alianna

because I screamed that it flips town

Oh, well that changes things since I missed you screaming about it

Alisae's wagon is wolf pushed tbh

and who are the wolves pushing Alisae? this feels like an empty statement that could be said about any of the current wagons imo

I thought it was self-implied I was talking about Ele and co who voted Alisae but I probably should've clarified.

I should clarify too, then: why do you think its wolf driven?

I think if Ele was a villager they would've gotten a lot more votes given how they've played the game and seeing them be one of the main people voting Alisae even after claiming is uh, strange.

It just feels like a very opportunistic way to play around a slot. Of course, it takes more than one to drive a wagon and I'm still working on that.

Ele's cop claim or Alisae's cop claim? I kinda forgor about Alisae's cop claim until just now

How and when did I miss these claims?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

deal probably hammers me

Is this E-1?

I keep going back and forth on you.

But as you have kept saying, the days gotta end.

I need Alianna lol

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

I've been going back and forth too but I really just want to end it.

VOTE: Alisae

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I've been going back and forth too but I really just want to end it.

VOTE: Alisae

- Alianna

Oooh, I like this decisive Alianna....seems scummy though.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

I've been going back and forth too but I really just want to end it.

VOTE: Alisae

- Alianna

Oooh, I like this decisive Alianna....seems scummy though.

-Drew

Please accept this OMGUS vote as a token of my heartfelt appreciation.

VOTE: Deal With The Devil

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I am probably the only one who will get that reference but I had to do it.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

That’s not really what I meant
If you had to guess the sculpted right now, what would you say?

I don't have that world right now. Gun to my head idk Gamma/Anen, DwtD, Skygazer and like, Gimli/Merlyn? These reads don't really have basis tho. I don't think you and Anen would be gunning for me this hard together as scum, it would just draw too much attention when I flip (tho my logic on what we do post-flip has been wrong so smth could be up here), DwtD/Skygazer are doing the classic treading water strat as mafia, sorta blending into the background so to speak (albeit DwtD did make the hammer happen yesterday). Gimli/Merlyn are pure guesses outside of my townreads.

Beetlejuice amirite.

I will say that I don't tread water as Mafia, when town in a large game I tend to let things fall into place before I really get going, can't speak for how Alianna operates as scum lol.

I don't like how you just voted Gamma though, just because she was pushing you a bit?

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

That’s not really what I meant
If you had to guess the sculpted right now, what would you say?

I don't have that world right now. Gun to my head idk Gamma/Anen, DwtD, Skygazer and like, Gimli/Merlyn? These reads don't really have basis tho. I don't think you and Anen would be gunning for me this hard together as scum, it would just draw too much attention when I flip (tho my logic on what we do post-flip has been wrong so smth could be up here), DwtD/Skygazer are doing the classic treading water strat as mafia, sorta blending into the background so to speak (albeit DwtD did make the hammer happen yesterday). Gimli/Merlyn are pure guesses outside of my townreads.

Beetlejuice amirite.

I will say that I don't tread water as Mafia, when town in a large game I tend to let things fall into place before I really get going, can't speak for how Alianna operates as scum lol.

I don't like how you just voted Gamma though, just because she was pushing you a bit?

-Drew

I can understand that (not liking my Gamma vote). Ultimately though I needed to vote somewhere and I'd just proven that Gamma's reasoning on the vote on me didn't make sense, so it felt like the right place for me to pressure. If it's any consolation it's technically not an OMGUS cause she unvoted me before I voted her :3

Why did you need to vote somewhere right now?

And why assuming that I thought it was omgus?

-Drew

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wait im being voted?

Townie reaction ngl

i can see that reaction coming from scum who thinks they are conf-town as well

I had a similar reaction to getting nuked as 'conf town' in Defcon

Take a guess at what my alignment was.

VOTE: Snivy

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

Spoiler: my reaction to seeing the page count today

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

That Nightkill was unexpected. Why not MariaR?

VOTE: mariaR

Are you just voting the player Alisae told us to NEVER vote for?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the sort of thing that I like to lazily throw in the townbin.
It is also the sort of thing that needs to be questioned and I have zero objections to the people questioning it.

VOTE: mariaR

Are you just voting the player Alisae told us to NEVER vote for?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In post 2496, Aneninen wrote:

In post 2452, Alisae wrote:
maria is town hero you do not EVER vote her
If Alisae's telling the truth now, we must never forget this.
.

This doesn't make sense to me. If Alisae flips town, that doesn't mean e are automatically right on all e's townreads. Alisae also thinks that all scum were on her wagon, and I find that so unlikely.

Ooooooooooooooooooor, she had some information on her?

I'm not sure I understand this. If Alisae had additional mechanical information (which I assume is what you are referring to?), that would have been evident in their role PM.

- Alianna

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Anyone think the flavor for part 3 is particularly interesting? Just me?

I do think it's interesting!

- Alianna

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I think Desperate is a weird modifier for scum to have tho?

Where the fork this post was from?

Hmm, this can be town. We talked about the desperate claim in thread, I feel like scum would have discussed that, and in my experience these kinds of "slips" are usually from town but don't actually get townread a ton.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

Daisy is vibetown (sorry Drew) but the words have not come to my head to explain that one yet.

- Alianna

[Deal With The Devil]

I'm fine with our vote on Snivy.

- Alianna

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I think Desperate is a weird modifier for scum to have tho?

i’m gonna discount most setup spec until later in the game when i have a good idea of what the ‘theme’ of the setup is

That makes sense!

Last Boonskies game everyone speculated there must be a swashbuckler given the already flipped roles.

I was as a Mafia Doc, which made no real sense.

So ya, don't sit on your hands waiting for flipped roles to help you make sense of things.

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

i wanna say they're all mafiascum users

Correction, the coolest mafiascum users

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

theta's overall attitude today seems very towny. on the other hand the content of her posts reeks of scum tmi. and i mean REEKS. if i really stretch my brain i can see theta's setup and kill spec coming from town with an overactive brain for setup spec. if i really really stretch my brain i can see town theta coming up with the idea that dragons was informed of everyone being millers.

I will say that I have seen townTheta really overthink things, and as you put it, suffer from an overactive brain.....especially when it comes to setup spec.

I really do think this is that same townTheta

-Drew

[Deal With The Devil]

[VIP, Tanuki]
[Merlyn, Theta, Gamma, Daisy]
[Devil, pisskop]
——————————— NULL LINE
[Skygazer]
[Gimli, Maria]
[camel, HPE]

I probably would have Gamma up on the top line(Alianna would agree) and Daisy below the null line(Alianna would disagree lol).

But otherwise I can vibe with these reads.

I just hope Fire respects our Alliance

-Drew

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I'd put all of {Merlyn, Theta, Gamma, Daisy, Stage, VIP} as towny for sure.
@Stage - why are you townreading Tanuki?

- Alianna

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i read ten pages just now and they made close to no impression on me at all

i thought otherwise but on mini review maybe drew is irritating enough to be town. still on probation

VOTE: merlyn

Love you too Ceph

I do agree that Merlyn has not much of an impression on me as well, but I want to chit chat with Alianna about her

Also hello Titus, I miss sheeping you as obvTown.......so please town it up if you could here lol

-Drew

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Spoiler: hug

That is pretty awesome

I hope Alianna won't be mad, but Operation Sheep Titus is underway now

VOTE: HPE

-Drew

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theta either youre scum or youre overthinking it

Overthinking is what Theta does best.

They are town here

-Drew

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deal with the devil is really on my shit list

I wish I was the dog who bit you, if there was even a dog.

Are we on your shit list because we sheeped Titus to vote your buddy?

Also, why wouldn't you de-millerize us if we are on your shit list? Are you afraid of what happens if we get investigated in that case?



Also I don't like that Fire is trying to act like Ceph

-Drew

Pre Edit: Boonskies gave scum a doctor last game

VOTE: HPE

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buddy i love you but why would i be scared of u

Clearly I am in your head, you are scared of me constantly being scum lol.

But I didn't even say you are scared of me in that post.

-Drew

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do u think im scared of any player in this game if i was scum. is that an actual thing u think im afraid of anyone here?

I am just pointing out the inconsistent night play, if you are town.

I don't think Ceph would let that shit fly, again, as town.

-Drew

Pre Edit: No, I was saying wouldn't you want us to be caught by a night action if you actually think we are scum? Taking away our Miller status would greatly help that.

Pre Edit2: Who bit you?

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cephrir was fine with my night selections in fact he gave me a list of players to demiler and i don't think u were even on it

I definitely am not the mech guy or anything, and this is a genuine question.

What was the thinking behind who was considered and why did you settle on HPE and Maria.

-Drew

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I'm a bit confused how do we know HPE wasn't demillerized?

We don't, unless you trust Tanuki

-Drew

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Did Elements claim they were going to check HPE? Or are we thinking scum would just assume they'd check HPE?

- Alianna

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So- either HPE, Elements, or Tanuki is lying. Right?

I haven't read everything from today yet, probably should before I make judgements, but this seems right.
If HPE flips town and isn't an ascetic who faked miller for some reason, then Elements' no-result claim looks pretty bad because of this:

a scum roleblocker in a town hpe and town elements world would have just hit tanuki night 1 and let elements get a fake guilty on hpe so yeah

But there is also a world where Tanuki wasn't roleblocked because they're scum.

- Alianna

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I think a failed nightkill is pretty reasonable.

- Alianna

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huh

what if titus visited HPE thinking it was demillerized and died bc HPE is scum? like in this setup i could see an ascetic mafia being a thing which would explain elements' result too

If HPE is an ascetic mafia, wouldn't Titus' action just fail? Meaning Titus would have been shot.

- Alianna

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I mean...there was a desperate claim. It just wasn't Titus.

- Alianna

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I mean...there was a desperate claim. It just wasn't Titus.

- Alianna

not only that but i do not die if i target correctly and i had claimed that already

i want to say something else but i do not know how far the rules on discussing formatting of role pms go so i will not elaborate but there are a few differences i could point out between mine and tituses descriptions of desperate

Hmm.
I really need to keep better track of claims lol.
Interesting that both versions of desperate would be in the same game, but kind of makes sense? I'm not sure what to think of that yet.

- Alianna

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I agree it's probably best to vote in HPE/Elements today but I don't want to end the day right away. I'd like time to think.

- Alianna

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HPE is acting like scum all over this day. I mostly just need someone to convince me how it being scum here works as we've established ascetic does not work

this is a stretch but elements could've been jailkept and been targeted by the night kill? idk

UNVOTE:

If someone jailed Elements (presumably a townie because scum are not going to jail their own NK target), they should probably claim at this point.

- Alianna

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HPE is acting like scum all over this day. I mostly just need someone to convince me how it being scum here works as we've established ascetic does not work

this is a stretch but elements could've been jailkept and been targeted by the night kill? idk

UNVOTE:

Why would a town JK target them on the night they were able to investigate?

^

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I have to consult with the mod but I might have just realized something very important.

- Alianna

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I have to consult with the mod but I might have just realized something very important.

- Alianna

Lmk once you’re done

Wait, I forgot how roles work, don't think it's that important anymore.
I'll still talk about it though.

- Alianna

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Pls spill, I think I had the same idea earlier

Okay, sure, I'll spill.
It occurred to me that I'm not totally clear on whether Titus' FN message would go through if she targeted miller/scum, or if she would just die.
Everyone except MariaR has posted and nobody's claimed the message, and we've already established that HPE was the likely target.
If the message fails along with Titus dying, that's sus for HPE because it's supposed to be demillerized and in that case the message is supposed to work.
If it does go through and no one is claiming to have received it, then what happened to it?

- Alianna

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Pls spill, I think I had the same idea earlier

Okay, sure, I'll spill.
It occurred to me that I'm not totally clear on whether Titus' FN message would go through if she targeted miller/scum, or if she would just die.
Everyone except MariaR has posted and nobody's claimed the message, and we've already established that HPE was the likely target.
If the message fails along with Titus dying, that's sus for HPE because it's supposed to be demillerized and in that case the message is supposed to work.
If it does go through and no one is claiming to have received it, then what happened to it?

- Alianna

^
This wording is really not great now that I read it over, I can try to clarify stuff if it doesn't make sense.

- Alianna

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Pls spill, I think I had the same idea earlier

Okay, sure, I'll spill.
It occurred to me that I'm not totally clear on whether Titus' FN message would go through if she targeted miller/scum, or if she would just die.
Everyone except MariaR has posted and nobody's claimed the message, and we've already established that HPE was the likely target.
If the message fails along with Titus dying, that's sus for HPE because it's supposed to be demillerized and in that case the message is supposed to work.
If it does go through and no one is claiming to have received it, then what happened to it?

- Alianna

^
This wording is really not great now that I read it over, I can try to clarify stuff if it doesn't make sense.

- Alianna

That wasn’t what I thought you were building up to

I don't think I even knew what I was building up to or whether it was important or not (the conclusion, anyway), kind of just had a bunch of thoughts in my head that I hadn't put together. I rewrote that post a few times upon realizing my logic was off lol.
What was your idea? Mind sharing it?

- Alianna

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I might share it later but I still think there’s use in keeping it hidden for now

Okay, that's fine then. I wasn't sure if it was something you planned on saying or not.

- Alianna

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Actually, I might know what you mean.
Need to do some consulting on that one too though (if it is, in fact, the same thing you're thinking of).

- Alianna

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Don't have time to finish reading rn but we visited maria last night

hey can you link me your claim again rq

This is a notification.
While you're online, confirm whether or not you received an FN message from Titus? I'm fairly certain I know how you'll answer but just want to have this confirmed.

- Alianna

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Don't have time to finish reading rn but we visited maria last night

hey can you link me your claim again rq

This is a notification.
While you're online, confirm whether or not you received an FN message from Titus? I'm fairly certain I know how you'll answer but just want to have this confirmed.

- Alianna

Nothing of the sort.

Okay, that's the expected answer.
And I got the verdict on my question, and apparently I just don't know how roles work. The message

would

go through, but only if the target appears not to be aligned with the town, which is the opposite of how I thought it worked. So you claiming not to have received the message means that either you're actually innocent and were demillerized or that you just understand the mech better than I do.

- Alianna

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Don't have time to finish reading rn but we visited maria last night

hey can you link me your claim again rq

This is a notification.
While you're online, confirm whether or not you received an FN message from Titus? I'm fairly certain I know how you'll answer but just want to have this confirmed.

- Alianna

Nothing of the sort.

Okay, that's the expected answer.
And I got the verdict on my question, and apparently I just don't know how roles work. The message

would

go through, but only if the target appears not to be aligned with the town, which is the opposite of how I thought it worked. So you claiming not to have received the message means that either you're actually innocent and were demillerized or that you just understand the mech better than I do.

- Alianna

Or I guess mafia ascetic is still a possibility, but I think you'd want to be pretty careful about claiming if that's the case?
I'll at least UNVOTE: for now.

- Alianna

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We might go Elements, just consulting with Drew.
The world where both HPE/Elements are town is the one where Elements was roleblocked last night (because the other way for town!Elements to get no result is if you're ascetic, which you aren't if you're town).
Scum roleblocking Elements doesn't make sense because scum can just roleblock Tanuki N1 and let the guilty happen. Unless there's a gate on the roleblocker, which is getting into reachier territory.
Town roleblocking Elements doesn't make sense because why RB the cop claim on the night they claim they'll get a result? Unless you think there's a chance Elements wouldn't know if they were RBed or not and you want to catch them in a lie. That, once again, is getting a bit reachy though. If anyone actually did this, they should claim at this point.
Most likely answer is that there is scum in HPE/Elements, and HPE is looking better to me lately.

- Alianna

P-edit: I'm just repeating what the mod told me.

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I have clearance to VOTE: Elements.

- Alianna

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I mean, it's not

that

reachy, but it's not the immediately obvious thing. I wouldn't split hairs over my wording if that's what you're trying to do.
It's not a 100% conclusion, it's just a likely conclusion imo.

- Alianna

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it could if i am a variant role i guess

i think i am just going to go ahead and say that i am not third party though
i did not want to claim more about my role but eh might as well

Why would you not want to claim that you aren't third party?

- Alianna

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I could use an unofficial VC.

Elements [4]: HighPrincessErinys, Merlyn, Deal With The Devil, Theta Alpine
HighPrincessErinys [1]: The Stage

Not Voting [8]: Gamma Emerald, camelCasedSnivy, Elements, Hu Tao, MariaR, pisskop, Tanuki the Bold, Skygazer

P-edit: I townread Alianna.

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We might go Elements, just consulting with Drew.
The world where both HPE/Elements are town is the one where Elements was roleblocked last night (because the other way for town!Elements to get no result is if you're ascetic, which you aren't if you're town).
Scum roleblocking Elements doesn't make sense because scum can just roleblock Tanuki N1 and let the guilty happen. Unless there's a gate on the roleblocker, which is getting into reachier territory.
Town roleblocking Elements doesn't make sense because why RB the cop claim on the night they claim they'll get a result? Unless you think there's a chance Elements wouldn't know if they were RBed or not and you want to catch them in a lie. That, once again, is getting a bit reachy though. If anyone actually did this, they should claim at this point.
Most likely answer is that there is scum in HPE/Elements, and HPE is looking better to me lately.

- Alianna

P-edit: I'm just repeating what the mod told me.

Hmm, I did forget to account for scum!Tanuki here. There may be some things to consider there.
I don't really feel like considering them tonight though.

- Alianna

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Any thoughts?

I was kinda thinking Gimli was town after he slipped miller or scum so I am upset he got voted out

Only goes so far lol, but I agree.

Somewhere between these two posts I got so shitfaced I didnt immediately remember what I was talking about.

I literally have had people quote a post of mine and been like 'Why is someone making a post like how I would make?' So I feel you.

-Drew

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Why is Theta getting votes? What did I miss?

I felt they have been clearly town here.

-Drew

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Why is Theta getting votes? What did I miss?

I felt they have been clearly town here.

-Drew

i dont think its an executioner simply because i don't think boon would have one in a game like this

I'm voting theta because its like really bad, but not townie-bad

What has Theta done that's so scummy (asking this to anyone including Sniv). I looked back and it's a lot of mech talk, but that's NAI

read my theta case

Can you link me to it please?

Also Bingle is here, we might be able to reform the Whiskey Pocket

-Drew

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read my theta case

Okay, I went back and looked at the readslist you pointed out and it does seem odd that Theta focuses on CCS instead of first resolving the other folks listed lower in the readslist first (Gimli, Elements, PP). I think Theta attempts to solve for Gimli first, but not the other two.

huh i wonder if i said anything about why i picked ccs over gimli first
oh wait i did

anyways all that to say uh

hmm

i am not sure if i want to vote gimli or snivy more in light of this
and still not sure what to think about daisy either i have been distracted with trying to figure this miller stuff out

gimli i actually somehow have reservations about and they might just be very stubborn town so

VOTE: camelcasedsnivy

Theta, did I not say in the very post you quoted that I saw the attempt to solve for Gimli? It's Elements and PP I didn't see you trying to resolve before CCS and they were lower on your readslist.

So is this case that people don't like how they are going about solving their reads list?

I mean, if I squint a bit and try I guess I could see an issue with it, but mainly seems like a weak case.

Unless, Stage, I am missing something here.

-Drew

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its amazing how the same usual suspects are getting away with vote wagonning Elements after what they just did with gimli
How are scum getting away with this shit

drew why the hell are u signing of on elements.

u tell me that my night actions make no sense and u let ur hydra partner vote elements like its no big deal

This is firbrunger, correct?

I have been given permission by my hydra partner to push Furbinge.

She likes Elements for scum, I don't disagree, but I prefer Tanuki for scum......

The Whiskey Pocket can make it happen

-Drew

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i think it is funny that if you make 50% of your posts trolling players will simply not attempt to read the other 50%

Okay Ceph, I will take this advice into consideration

You do know who your hydra partner is, right? So are you telling him he is annoying as well?

But I am not trolling, one of you, HPE, or Elements is scum.

And good chance that you and HPE are scum together.

Still not sure why you wouldn't let Fire de-millerize us.......especially if Fire was hard reading us as scum.

You two are just being disingenuous.

-Drew

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i think it is funny that if you make 50% of your posts trolling players will simply not attempt to read the other 50%

I promise to read the trolling half twice to make up for not reading the content half.

This is what I prefer.

Just ignore everything Alianna has posted, she is the anchor holding this troll hydra down, I need to cut her loose.

I need to make this 100% trolling, make sure Ceph reads none of my posts

-Drew

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I really wish this site had good VCA tools because the real killer of my motivation to solve is that I am stuck thinking there’s something up with voting patterns but not having the energy to do the legwork myself or the tools to make it simpler

Whereabouts is the indicator of wonky? I can do the legwork during my catch-up.

(FWIW, I think colored votecounts are a comparably terrible way to do vca when in actuality you should be reading the votes themselves in high impact timeframes)

I feel like there may have been a bloc that voted together a fair amount

Related to or separate from the accusation that the elewagon and the gimli wagon were the same shit wagon?

this statement never made sense to begin with. Only HPE was on both wagons

Wanna say that loud part again?

[Deal With The Devil]

I really wish this site had good VCA tools because the real killer of my motivation to solve is that I am stuck thinking there’s something up with voting patterns but not having the energy to do the legwork myself or the tools to make it simpler

Whereabouts is the indicator of wonky? I can do the legwork during my catch-up.

(FWIW, I think colored votecounts are a comparably terrible way to do vca when in actuality you should be reading the votes themselves in high impact timeframes)

I feel like there may have been a bloc that voted together a fair amount

Related to or separate from the accusation that the elewagon and the gimli wagon were the same shit wagon?

this statement never made sense to begin with. Only HPE was on both wagons

Wanna say that loud part again?

LOL what does this mean, that HPE is scummy for being on both wagons? One of the wagons is Elements.

HPE has been scummy since the jump, now you bring some tasty VCA that adds to it.

Do you know that El is scum or not? I don't(yes I know our vote is on them).

Here is the 50% not trolling that apparently no one will pay attention to .......VOTE: HPE

But I am just a troll, so fuck me I guess

-Drew

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i think it is funny that if you make 50% of your posts trolling players will simply not attempt to read the other 50%

I promise to read the trolling half twice to make up for not reading the content half.

This is what I prefer.

Just ignore everything Alianna has posted, she is the anchor holding this troll hydra down, I need to cut her loose.

I need to make this 100% trolling, make sure Ceph reads none of my posts

-Drew

i don't even remotely understand what you think my post was responding to lmao

Figured you would understand a trolling post when you saw one lol.

i think it is funny that if you make 50% of your posts trolling players will simply not attempt to read the other 50%

Okay Ceph, I will take this advice into consideration

You do know who your hydra partner is, right? So are you telling him he is annoying as well?

But I am not trolling, one of you, HPE, or Elements is scum.

And good chance that you and HPE are scum together.

Still not sure why you wouldn't let Fire de-millerize us.......especially if Fire was hard reading us as scum.

You two are just being disingenuous.

-Drew

did i call someone annoying in this post?

what do you mean "let" fire demillerize you? what makes you think fire wanted to do that?

why am i bussing hpe?

in conclusion bro what are you on about

You call me annoying quite a bit, gets old quick....bro

Making us not a miller leaves us open to investigation, if you actually scum read us, why not de millerize is..... that's my point.

You aren't voting HPE anymore....pretty weak buss, if that is what that is

-Drew

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So… I kinda think Gamma scum, but I got bored 2/3 of the way through her ISO. Thoughts?

There was a point where Alianna and I thought Gamma was lock town, but some of her actions in regards to us today are making us question things.

So me personally, could see that.

-Drew

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So… I kinda think Gamma scum, but I got bored 2/3 of the way through her ISO. Thoughts?

There was a point where Alianna and I thought Gamma was lock town, but some of her actions in regards to us today are making us question things.

So me personally, could see that.

-Drew

why did you think gamma was lock town?

I wanna hear this too btw

We received something N1, and Alianna made what seemed to be a good catch that led us to believe that you(Gamma) gave it to us.....and what we received was pro town.

Lock town may have been too strong a way of wording it, but we definitely town read you from that point forward.

-Drew

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So… I kinda think Gamma scum, but I got bored 2/3 of the way through her ISO. Thoughts?

There was a point where Alianna and I thought Gamma was lock town, but some of her actions in regards to us today are making us question things.

So me personally, could see that.

-Drew

why did you think gamma was lock town?

I wanna hear this too btw

We received something N1, and Alianna made what seemed to be a good catch that led us to believe that you(Gamma) gave it to us.....and what we received was pro town.

Lock town may have been too strong a way of wording it, but we definitely town read you from that point forward.

-Drew

Wait what?

Welp, clearly we were incorrect about who sent it to us lol

-Drew

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What did you get? I can send things buy I didn’t target you so if you got my thing I might have been redirected or I am not the only one

A very specific fruit, meaning had a specific name.

Being a bit vague here.

-Drew

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What did you get? I can send things buy I didn’t target you so if you got my thing I might have been redirected or I am not the only one

A very specific fruit, meaning had a specific name.

Being a bit vague here.

-Drew

Actually, not sure why I am being vague, forgot it was specifically talked about in the flavor

An Omni Fruit

-Drew

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how so?

i think the way gamma went about that was townie, i'm just wondering if my brain broke and it's mechclear

Well, considering the flavor and stuff around the omni-fruit and how STARS disapproved of it.....

oh ya that makes sense then. but like pk said, gamma denied sending it

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how so?

i think the way gamma went about that was townie, i'm just wondering if my brain broke and it's mechclear

Well, considering the flavor and stuff around the omni-fruit and how STARS disapproved of it.....

oh ya that makes sense then. but like pk said, gamma denied sending it

Oops, hit send before putting pent to paper.

They denied sending it to me, but their first post on D2 heavily hints they did send it to someone, the question is how did the Devil end up with the fruit


-Drew

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V/LA indefinitely for personal reasons.

- Alianna

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elements, deal with the devil and gamma emerald off the top of my head

and tanuki

and skygazer?

I won't vote you if that counts.

Also, getting a little paranoid that Merlyn is trying pocket us, seems she is going way out of her way to defend us. And if you are town, don't worry, Bingle is part of the Whiskey Pocket and according to the bi-laws he can't touch us.

Also not signing my posts for the time being since it will just be me(me being Drew)

Though will be fun if Alianna can cosplay as me when she comes back.

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Well seems I cosplayed as Alianna and got that page top

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VOTE: hpe

thread momentum has evaporated, time to end the day

This is a good way to make my first post in a couple days

VOTE: HPE

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theta got her mates to help out cause why are we letting her get away with not claiming at hammer

You mean claim when they are v/la and basically hinted they would be completely gone?

[Deal With The Devil]

she made a post saying she would only claim to bingle and someone else who I'm forgetting

so not really

Probably got buried, but I said as much as well

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bingle or tanuki, both of which refused to go there

Sorry, quoted the wrong post

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oh btw i have a PT cop guilty on deal with the devil

VOTE: deal

Quite frankly, no you don't. Not even a town PT, barely a hydra PT now that it is just me lol.

Somebody bit me last night

The fruit we got N1 could cure poison, me thinks this was to combat a bite?

VOTE: Sky

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sorry if i was a dick at all btw

i just really resent the notion that i haven't done shit because believe it or not i've put a lot of thought into this game

I mean, you faked a guilty on town.....so that is something right?