Guns & Roses VI [Game Over]

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VOTE: SirCakez

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fufu

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enchant did you not pick gun hehe

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VOTE: Enchant

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I don't think Enchant would pick a rose if he was town

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Why not?

you feel like a player who would pick gun

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The odds of mafia all bring clueless and picking gun together is reduced by the point that a good player will probably convince the ret to play more strategic

I don't see why mafia wouldn't all pick gun

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ok so why did you decide to pick rose?

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The odds of mafia all bring clueless and picking gun together is reduced by the point that a good player will probably convince the ret to play more strategic

I don't see why mafia wouldn't all pick gun

This run is different from other runs in that the number if total roses is stated at the started instead of only how many town roses
That gives scum more ability to muddy the waters there

ok but how does it help the scum team to know the true number of town roses is 9 instead of 10? the goal is to eliminate mafia each day regardless of how many roses are alive no?

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also I guess if no1 else claims town gun then wheme is confirmed as the only town gun and the 3 mafia all picked gun?

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:/
I just stated scum can also win if all town roses are dead
That’s been a thing in every run of this setup

I've never played this setup before but it just feels silly to me to pick rose as mafia - I'd pick gun every time

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it is kind of pointless to speculate on what optimal scum strategy is because if we only have one claimed gun then we know its three scum guns versus 10 town roses and a town gun right?

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I want her to verify that

yea that is what i'm saying

i just dont think town enchant would ever not pick a gun because enchant loves shooting things

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we also have several people who suggested that town should not claim guns yet because that flags them for being not potentially protected

the mafia know how many guns they have and conversely how many town roses there are.

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we also have several people who suggested that town should not claim guns yet because that flags them for being not potentially protected

the mafia know how many guns they have and conversely how many town roses there are.

yesss i fail to see why that means we should claim though

while it is something they have information about that we do not

we also do not have any way of figuring it out with a claim

if the mafia is three guns then they already know the town is 10 roses + 1 gun and wheme is that gun.

its only in the case that there's more than one town gun that mafia really gain new information like who the other town gun is.

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Ok you got me i did in fact pick gun.

I pretended i townread wheme, so i can shot wheme in the face without being shot back but i guess it's blatant i always pick gun.


Bruh game.


So yeah. Crosskill?

why would I let you shoot your gun when i think you're mafia gun

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like i just think town enchant with a gun doesnt do this ridiculous pretend to be rose act he just counterclaims right away and tries to yeet wheme?

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i think you would do that even if you were mafia

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But you all assume that i always pick gun, it's not even funny.

You think i am troll or what?

wdym?

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i dont see why town enchant would be deceptive

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i would not want to vote you out if you were honest about picking gun right away. What you do with your bullet is up to you. I certainly wouldnt make you shoot Wheme

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i think you are mafia w/ enchant

well at least one of them is town unless we get another town gun claim.

in the world where both of them are town and there's a mafia rose - then we will know they are both conf town as soon as we flip a mafia rose.

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i don't think you understand what rolefishing is

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I will entertain your speculation though Bulge.

if I am mafia, what is the point of "rolefishing" that you claim I'm doing.

Be specific in your formulation, I'll even format it in a way that's understandable for most users of the english language since I don't really understand your shitty gif posting.

"Aristeia is a mafia player doing rolefishing; her goal is to _____ which will help her win because of _____ and this is advantageous because ____"

or

"Aristeia's strategy is to find out _____ in order to _______"

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146 strikes me as an attempt at thread control, like they don't want discussion to stray away from mass-claim adjacency.

attempt at thread control? I barely even bother to post more than one time a day in this thread where the fuck are you getting thread control vibes

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VOTE: Bulge

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very cool response bulge

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a massclaim only benefits scum at this stage of the game. your entire play has been centred around who picked what. qed.

show how a massclaim only benefits scum

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a massclaim only benefits scum at this stage of the game. your entire play has been centred around who picked what. qed.

show how a massclaim only benefits scum

bc it has no benefit to town [at this stage of the game] and helps scum to direct their nks

show how it has no benefit to town

show how it helps scum direct nightkills

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146 strikes me as an attempt at thread control, like they don't want discussion to stray away from mass-claim adjacency.

attempt at thread control? I barely even bother to post more than one time a day in this thread where the fuck are you getting thread control vibes

narrative control is probably more accurate. shutting down d1 scum strat speculation rubs me the wrong way, esp when you only seem interested in discussing claims. what's the point of assuming there are 3 scum guns and then not going any further with that speculation? it's all noise.

to reduce noise in the thread

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10 roses is a far more controlled environment than if the gun/rose spread were more even. we should be taking advantage of that control by using the information we have in a careful deliberate manner.

pedit - do you disagree or are you being obtuse?

how about you try with english and clearly state what you are talking about

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146 strikes me as an attempt at thread control, like they don't want discussion to stray away from mass-claim adjacency.

attempt at thread control? I barely even bother to post more than one time a day in this thread where the fuck are you getting thread control vibes

narrative control is probably more accurate. shutting down d1 scum strat speculation rubs me the wrong way, esp when you only seem interested in discussing claims. what's the point of assuming there are 3 scum guns and then not going any further with that speculation? it's all noise.

to reduce noise in the thread

to what end?? you haven't shown any interest in sorting alignments

you think pushing enchant for lying about his pick is not sorting alignments?

ok why

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pedit - do you disagree or are you being obtuse?

I am using the simplest language possible, you're the one being not specific about what you are saying

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there is incentive for town to lie in this setup

ok so how does pushing him not sort his alignment

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pedit - do you disagree or are you being obtuse?

I am using the simplest language possible, you're the one being not specific about what you are saying

is that why youre voting me?

I'm voting you because you're either scum or scumsiding

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also you feel very different from that time we played where you tunneled datisi town d1 in a hilariously bad way because despite being totally wrong you at least had a decent argument for why he was mafia and you sounded like you believed it.

here you're just taking shitty potshots that are kind of ridiculous

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Ari is falling off for me here because I feel like most of her responses to Bulge are just deflection

I don't mind being limmed it's fine to vote me gamma.

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I’d rather vote out Celeb first
I don’t think you deflecting is a sure scumtell, I just think you’re approaching this interaction in bad faith

that's fair I have very little patience for bullshit

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10 roses is a far more controlled environment than if the gun/rose spread were more even. we should be taking advantage of that control by using the information we have in a careful deliberate manner.

pedit - do you disagree or are you being obtuse?

like what the fuck does this first sentence even mean

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whemestar claimed gun

so if theres 3 scum guns and whemestar is town - then the mafia already know the entire setup.

massclaiming only helps the town catch up in its understanding of the game state.

the reason I wanted to massclaim is because if theres only one claimed gun and its whemestar, I'd want to push Enchant because in my mind there's no way enchant is town and decides to pick rose over gun.

it is a way of scumhunting that is better than a no information vacuum because the players more likely to pick gun as town are then more likely to be mafia because according to the massclaim they didn't pick gun.

These are very clear and obvious benefits to me for massclaiming and pretty obviously what I am going for.

the mafia already know how many town guns/roses there are. They are operating on a higher information state than us and know how to play out this game state.

massclaiming just evens the stage and allows us to operate with more information.

this is what i mean when I say explain thought process about mass claim and benefits.

now bulge just fucking says shit like "mass claim has no benefit"

and that's just ??? to me because it obviously does have benefits but he's going to just pretend there aren't any and write wordvomit like "10 roses is a far more controlled environment than if the gun/rose spread were more even. we should be taking advantage of that control by using the information we have in a careful deliberate manner."

which is like ?!?!?!?

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like at no point did bulge actually try to understand my strategy or why I would be trying to follow it as town.

instead he's just saying things like

"massclaim is bad"

"ari wants massclaim so shes bad"

"hurr durr fishing meme gif"

"ari wants thread control"

its asnine

and you claim I'm the one treating him in bad faith?

like no I tried to understand wtf he was talking about and his response is to just state the same things back to me again without any underlying thought process.

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i have already stated the town advantage for massclaiming truthfully

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my point is for you to explain how mass claim puts scum in the advantage

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no

if all town claim truthfully and there is only one gun claim it tells us exactly how many town roses there are.

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no

if all town claim truthfully and there is only one gun claim it tells us exactly how many town roses there are.

this helps town not at all

it helps town by making it much more likely that the claimed roses that probably pick gun if they r town are much more likely to be scum.

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That’s technically true but scum have options on what to claim so assuming it’ll go certain way seems foolish

ok whats the scum counterplay

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im not saying claim what night you are a rose

i am saying claim whether you are a rose or a gun

the goal of the game is not to make sure a town gun gets to fire

it is to eliminate the three mafia players

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if you are a town rose and theres only one town gun and you get ccd you r basically wasting a town day in hopes of maybe burning off a scum bullet

it is beyond silly to sacrifice tempo to maybe gain a missed nightkill

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like you seem to think the goal of town roses is to get shot on their assigned night and town guns is to survive to fire off their shot

it is not

the goal of this game is to kill all three mafia

any confusion you cause trying to hit style points is just added work and goes against the town goal of killing the mafia.

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if its a 3 scum gun vs 10 town rose setup there is essentially no information from a mass claim that would help scum.

when i say massclaim i mean claim gun or rose not which night you are.

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you think the scum would claim three guns if they r three guns

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i mean sure if they want to do that i am all for it

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i dont think scum picked rose but even if they did pick rose having town guns claim would be beneficial.

it allows us to hold people accountable for their shots.

flipping a scum rose would help narrow the town gun count in the opposite direction.

for example if theres 2 town guns and 1 scum rose, the scum rose being flipped would conftown the two town roses.

i doubt the scum team picks more than one rose but if theres like three town gun claims we can deal with it when it arises

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like i can understand your perspective but please

i am coming from a place where i can see that either scum is okay with claiming gun or several town players picked gun instead of just one

no I don't think you really understand my perspective because after I wrote a long post explaining the benefits of mass claiming you basically came in and said there is not benefit to mass claiming

whether there are three scum guns or not is a fact at this point. there either are or there are not - in case there are - we can force the issue and gain an advantage.

you are handwaving all of this with a lot of what-ifs but you haven't actually shown any downside to the approach of actually mass claiming - you claim it would give scum an advantage but you haven't explain what that advantage is.

you've made a bunch of claims about how town can lie to scum for advantage but that requires a specific series of things to occur and doesn't actually help us with our primary goal which is to catch mafia.

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I question how productive this back and forth is

I question how productive you are

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my conversation with Theta has nothing to do with anything you can do to find mafia.

if you want to make a case for someone being mafia feel free to do that I'm certainly not stopping you.

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I question how productive this back and forth is

I question how productive you are

I don't understand where you're coming from here. I am one of the highest posters with questions and some already-given opinions about the game. I was simply commenting on how the current conversation was helping people gamesolve. You can disagree with me, but you don't have to disparage my contribution here.

how productive do you think post 394 actually is Taly to advancing the game state.

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like do you think you get nothing from my conversation with Theta?

do you think it looks like 2 mafia who are theatering?

do we look un-aligned with each other?

do you think I believe what I'm saying? do you think theta does? do you think either of us are more likely town or scum because of it?

all of these are things you can be saying

or you can say something like this conversation is NAI and clogging up the thread you both should stop if you think both of us would behave exactly the same regardless of our role

but then I'd question what actual thread conversation are we supposed to be derailing? thread looks pretty dead to me.

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like popping in to say oh this is unproductive without actually doing anything productive yourself or having a direction you want to push the game in just feels like you saying things that you think look good

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I never scumread Wheme.

I scumread Enchant for lying about his choice

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what does a mafia gain if they pick rose instead of gun?

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Ok you got me i did in fact pick gun.

I pretended i townread wheme, so i can shot wheme in the face without being shot back but i guess it's blatant i always pick gun.


Bruh game.


So yeah. Crosskill?

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perhaps you could share your thoughts instead

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Aristeia why do u feel so much less present d1 then last game we played together

what game r u even talking about - i have the 2nd most posts this game and ~16 posts per day which is about normal for me.

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I think Enchant's just town here because he sounds incredibly annoyed in a really exasperated way that he really only gets when he's town getting run up.

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Gamma's a bad vote too.

Is this going to be a herding cats game?

who would you say is a good vote atp Titus?

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ok what was his plan

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Cakez is a good sorting vote. Dunn would be okay too.

I agree with dunn being a good vote - not really sure about cakez because he always feels kind of scummy to me sorry cakez >.>

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Also Ari acknowledge me akHxkdjsks

I'm sorry what did you want my opinion on?

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- Able to see Dunn with some town motive. +Town

what town motive do you see in Dunnstral?

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I want to push everyone to spew reads on Enchant/Wheme/Alisae.

I'm not convinced that any specific shot is a town-controlled one unless there is more input from the playerlist.

I think all three could be town,

I don't think Wheme's play makes much sense as any kind of gun.

If he's a mafia gun, openly claiming is very ??? like what's he expecting to get out of that? draw out town gun CC ? like town gun can just shoot him at night.

if he's a town gun, him responding to enchant's claim by saying yea i townread enchant is very ?? - like if he thinks he's 1v1ing enchant why would he say that?

so like if wheme is some kind of rose who's trolling and trying to draw a nightkill it kind of makes sense if he's a town rose doing it? like why would a mafia rose put themselves out there?

2ndly

I think enchant is town because the way he responded to being pushed felt like he was very much exasperated to think that I could possibly think he would do this song and dance as a mafia gun, which kind of bleeds into his posting like he's asking me if I think he's trolling and when I say yes his eyes kind of roll into the back of his head in annoyance and he vows to not talk to me - that's a p town reaction to being called a troll lol

thirdly

I think alisae's enthusiasm for mass claim / resolving the gun issue just feels very town - there's little reason for ali to insert into the wheme/enchant situation and force the issue as a mafia gun, ali can just let enchant shoot wheme and let the cards fall where they might. there's nothing for ali to actually disrupt in place - it feels a lot like a townie jumping the gun.


I would find it much more likely there are no mafia in ali/enchant/wheme than something like two mafia? if there's one mafia in the grouping I struggle to see who fits with a scum mindset.

Also this game does feel kind of stalled being that there's 3 days to deadline and some people have decided to ghost it.

for example Bulge/Mala & Dunnstral.

Bulge hasn't posted in 2 days
Mala hasn't posted in 2 days.

Dunnstral posted once on wednesday and once on thursday and niether post really bothers to push anything in the game state - just a very one liner comment focussing on talking about someone's comment about himself.

The thing is in a game state where Enchant/Ali/Wheme are town and town is focussed on the wrong area - then it makes sense to me that mafia would find it difficult to post and actively participate because they know the town is on the wrong path and they're fine just sitting on their hands waiting for the town to just off itself.

I find this more concerning for Dunnstral than the other two in relative terms because I've seen Mala/Bulge both flake out of games as town so I know they often sign up for games and just do not play them but for Dunnstral I think he tends to be more focussed on mech related issues and also scumhunt less when he's mafia.

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only town can be roses, right?

I find this thought hard to believe based on the conversations in thread before this. People have been discussing whether mafia would pick Rose or not before this point.

You find this post hard to believe even with the surrounding context?

oh shit im here reading omg

There are 10

Roses

in this game.

oh wow, im liking these odds

im sorry but my brain is effectively blocking out everything about setup spec

Disclaimer, I recently came down from mania and I'm having a not-so-smooth transition to a new med that will likely be changed again

And it's mid semester PhD program

So full thinking capacity is on hold

I thought my level of knowledge was conveyed lucidly

Hm, now that you've pointed it out you seem to have been near the start of the thread when you said that. I had assumed you had caught up. That does make it believable to me, as you wouldn't have seen the discussion around it.

Dunn

, is it fair to say your posts are very passive and provide little to the discussion even though there's a decent amount of volume to them?

No I don't believe that is correct. I do believe my posts move the discussion forward. They're not passive because they are asking new things.

like these two posts just feel like scum trying to not make any waves and popping in to say nothing and do nothing in a game state that's favorable to them.

VOTE: Dunnstral

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regarding Cakes:

he feels like a coin flip to me, I've seen this guy get run up for "being scummy" as town so many times I just think like he's a walking limbait slot and whether he's actually mafia has little to do with how scummy he seems

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regarding Bulge:

the last two games I played with Bulge;

Open 881: we were both town, he tunneled Datisi(town), got into a slapfight with Datisi, got Datisi limmed.

Micro 1089: we were both town, he read me as mafia for "gut reasons" then he flaked out of the game.

my goal with respects to pushing him hard on his read of me was to try to get him to engage like he did with Datisi and figure out whether he actually believed I was mafia because when Bulge is town and he gets into a slapfight he has trouble letting go of the keyboard.

in this instance his decision to log off and ghost this game feels on the scummy side of nullscum but I've seen him ghost games as town as well so its p shrug. I would say its more likely he's mafia because he has absolutely none of the follow-through/conviction I see him display with pushing his Datisi read.

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is that all you're going to say?

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is that all you're going to say?

bruh let me read the game

sure I just don't want you to say some random one liner than disappear for another 2 days

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cherrypicking quotes out of context is great very cool

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a plus for creativity

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I think Enchant's just town here because he sounds incredibly annoyed in a really exasperated way that he really only gets when he's town getting run up.

was getting a reaction your intent in pushing enchant early on?

I struggle to see how you can actually ask this question because it is truly bizarre to me.

the basis of all play in this game is to push to get reactions and then use those reactions to judge alignment and figure out the game.

How else do people play mafia?

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the equivalent question would be you asking a basketball playing dribbling the ball up the court "is the intention of you moving this ball towards the other side to sink the basket?"

like um yea? like I don't understand how else someone plays the game. like what even is the alternative? what even is the point of your question?

how does it help you sort me in any way?

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there's less than three days to deadline I would appreciate it if you made an effort to play the game you signed up to play

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I am happy with dunn wagon but I prefer bulge

why do you prefer bulge

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I am willing to suspend my disbelief and vote for Wheme but I doubt you'll pay me back tomm because I don't think you'll be alive tomm

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like I can see Wheme as a town rose deciding to this kind of weird gambit where he tries to bait scum to shoot him without thinking things out

I have absolutely no idea what wheme!scum is doing but like if you really want to flip him I'd help you because I don't think I'm getting any traction on Dunnstral so it's whatever

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I didn't read Datisi's cafe but I'm willing to take your word for Wheme doing weird plays as scum

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VOTE: whemestar

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oh I totally didn't pay attention to whemestar at all in that game lol

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i am fairly convinced at this point that scum picked most of all roses though

just no clue who that means to push

probably Dunnstral + you would come up with the all flower scum plan

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Is it not obvious I’m not a gun now

yea that's why alisae wants to vote you out atp

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the scummiest thing about whemestar is that hes not voting dunnstral

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thinking about whemestars play this game

it makes a lot more sense as scum rose trying to bait town gun to shoot him

then town rose trying to bait scum gun into shooting him

cuz like why would scum ever shoot some trolling lhf town player

while i can see town gun shooting a scum rose?

still like scum rose trying to draw town gun fire is just such a bad play that i struggle to see anyone deciding to do it

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thats fair

VOTE: dunnstral

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i'm amazed the person who's in perpetual catchup mode and refuses to actually interact with the game in real time or vote among the leading wagons or even give an opinion or read on any of the leading players up for elimination less than two days from the deadline has the gall to come in here and lecture me about not sorting him properly when he is not even playing the game.

TRULY an amazing feat Bulge

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i'll give you some pointers for how you can help me sort you;

(a) post more than once every two days
(b) don't catchup by exclusively asking questions about things that happened two days ago and nobody even cares about anymore
(c) try to pretend you at least care about which of the leading candidates for elimination gets elimmed
(d) maybe use your vote on something that has some traction less than two days to deadline
(e) maybe give a read on the game state or the players in the game other than the one person you seem hellbent on deathtunneling for n00b reasons.

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I should amend (e) because it might be insulting

I did not mean to say n00b reasons.

a better descriptor would be reasons beyond my comprehension because I have no idea what your suspicion of me even stems from.

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i'm amazed the person who's in perpetual catchup mode and refuses to actually interact with the game in real time or vote among the leading wagons or even give an opinion or read on any of the leading players up for elimination less than two days from the deadline has the gall to come in here and lecture me about not sorting him properly when he is not even playing the game.

TRULY an amazing feat Bulge

This probably wasn’t meant as a response to my question but it kinda covers some of it, and I can see scum agenda in Bulge’s behavior if this is accurate

i have played two games with bulge and we were t/t both times and both times he just tunneled on a townie for nonsensical reasons and did little to nothing to scumhunt so I wish I could say its exclusively scum motivated behavior but it could just be how he plays town.

the way he got mad at me for "not displaying good faith" or whatever garbage he spewed does feel a bit townie but his vote on me lacks any hint of conviction and I've yet to see him even bother to try to get anyone to vote me.

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aristeia stays refusing to interact with even a crumb of good faith. no part of her interactions with me show any intent to deduce my alignment or to allow me to deduce hers.

I have already stated in this thread my strategy for sorting you and why I did it;

regarding Bulge:

the last two games I played with Bulge;

Open 881: we were both town, he tunneled Datisi(town), got into a slapfight with Datisi, got Datisi limmed.

Micro 1089: we were both town, he read me as mafia for "gut reasons" then he flaked out of the game.

my goal with respects to pushing him hard on his read of me was to try to get him to engage like he did with Datisi and figure out whether he actually believed I was mafia because when Bulge is town and he gets into a slapfight he has trouble letting go of the keyboard.

in this instance his decision to log off and ghost this game feels on the scummy side of nullscum but I've seen him ghost games as town as well so its p shrug. I would say its more likely he's mafia because he has absolutely none of the follow-through/conviction I see him display with pushing his Datisi read.

My goal was to fight you and get you to townspew. You instead ghosted me so I gave up and moved on with my life because I'm not going to sort someone who

is not even here

You then came back to thread and asked me a nonsensical question about "did I push enchant to sort him via reaction".

It's such an insultingly simple question because it implies I push people for reasons other than to see their reaction. The fundamental basis of all mafia play is to push people to see reactions and sort out whether it means they are likely town or scum. It would be ridiculous for me to push people without looking at how they react to a push unless I had some kind of mechanical evidence they were mafia which obviously I wouldn't in this setup.

It tilts me to spend this much effort on this game while you continue to sit there and spout things that really do not help us get any closer to winning and claiming that I am being scum motivated when I'm probably one of the few driving forces actually trying to salvage this game that a bunch of players for whatever reason have decided not to play.

It annoys me tremendously that you are doing this

despite having not even caught up to where the thread is

and

you show absolutely no hint that you are endeavouring to catch up and contribute positively

I understand that this is just a game you signed up to play for fun in your free time but I have certain

basic

expectations of my fellow players to actually try to play the game as it is intended instead of continously hiding in catchup mode.

Perhaps my expectations are unfounded and I can't expect you to actually do this.

Maybe the way I express my tilt is very fustrating or insulting to you. I am sorry for that and I hope it motivates you to actually play this game. I hope you do not take anything I say in the context of this game as some kind of personal insult I know I can be crude and insufferable at times.

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did you push him to see his reaction to being pushed? or were you hoping to derive a read from the actual substance of his responses?

these two sentences mean the same thing to me.

when I push someone I take their reaction into consideration when I form my read of them. that's just very basic play. to not care about their reaction would be like ????????

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like if I think someone is likely to be mafia

i will push them

I will then look at their reaction to refine the read and figure out their alignment.

that's just how people should play the game.

you asking me if I'm pushing him to see his reaction is like ???? to me. like what else would I be pushing him for?

[Aristeia]

as for the leading wagons i see your point. i said before i dont typically try and sort enchant this early in the game bc i am not confident in my ability to do so. similarly in my experience wheme is perpetual lhf. maybe if i had more time it would be easier for me to interact with these wagons but the only reason i have for them to be on my radar is that people are voting for them. i agree, being caught up and interacting in real-time is the ideal approach here, itd probably also help if i cared to read thru all of the setup spec. i recognize that it's not ideal teamplay but again, you're just gonna have to take it or leave it and let me play the game at the pace my personal life allows for.

my criticism of you is that you have spent almost all of your time talking to me.

you have convinced 0 people that I am mafia.

I don't know if it's because you're mafia and you want to hide in your little death tunnel or if you're town who's tunneled.

I am telling you that if you actually want to impact the game you should probably have an opinion on the people who are viable to be eliminated today and actually try to sort them instead of continually harping on me because its not productive in any way. like if you're town your case is so bad that not even the mafia are willing to help you push me.

[Aristeia]

your use of "refuses" frustrates me, as if i am tactically ghosting the thread. your continual commentary on my playstyle and posting frequency and level of engagement frustrates me. either hop off or explain why these things make me scum. your policing of how i approach the game is tiring. i dont have to meet some quota of time dedication just for the privilege of enjoying a game i have played for years.

i have explained

also I am not voting you so what am i even hopping off.

[Aristeia]

idk why i'm addressing aristeia directly atp, it is not feeling very productive. hopefully y'all can see the way she is approaching my slot is in bad faith and seemingly intent on shutting me down. next time i'm around i'll try and get myself more grounded in the game but it is growing tiresome.

I am not shutting you down

I am asking you to do something relevant with what limited time you have for this game.

continually saying I am mafia without commenting on any of the other slots in the game is pretty ineffective for you if you're town.

I am asking you to play the game.

[Aristeia]

its actually amazing I've explained to bulge three times now what my play in regards to his slot is and I haven't even been voting him for the last two days and I'm pushing someone else yet he stumbles into this thread claiming that I have no intent to sort him and am just omgusing him.

[Aristeia]

are we talking about being policied or being policed because those two words don't mean the same thing

[Aristeia]

VoteCount 1.9

Gamma Emerald [1] - Malakittens
Enchant [1] - SirCakez
SirCakez [1] - Enchant
The Bulge [1] - Taly
Aristeia [1] - The Bulge
Dunnstral [5] - pisskop, Titus, Aristeia, Alisae, Gamma Emerald
WhemeStar [1] - Celebloki
Celebloki [1] - WhemeStar

Not Voting [2]

- Theta Alpine, Dunnstral

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-10-30 11:00:00)

we're less than 16 hours to deadline so people need to either consolidate somewhere else or vote dunnstral

if you're sitting on some random vanity vote or not voting you are a detriment atp

[Aristeia]

VoteCount 1.9

Gamma Emerald [1] - Malakittens
Enchant [1] - SirCakez
SirCakez [1] - Enchant
The Bulge [1] - Taly
Aristeia [1] - The Bulge
Dunnstral [5] - pisskop, Titus, Aristeia, Alisae, Gamma Emerald
WhemeStar [1] - Celebloki
Celebloki [1] - WhemeStar

Not Voting [2]

- Theta Alpine, Dunnstral

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-10-30 11:00:00)

we're less than 16 hours to deadline so people need to either consolidate somewhere else or vote dunnstral

if you're sitting on some random vanity vote or not voting you are a detriment atp

[Aristeia]

I kind of feel like if Dunnstral is mafia there is a good chance whemestar is also mafia?

it's very strange to me that Dunnstral is pushing Whemestar for the reasons he is and Whemestar doesn't find them scummy? he instead says it's too scummy to be scum which is a ? take to me. I feel like the mafia team would value a gun over a rose in terms of nightplay so if they were teamed and dunn is a gun and wheme is a rose then dunn is ok to bus wheme but wheme wouldn't want dunn to go down because dunn actually can shoot people at night.

the way Dunn "catches" wheme and wheme pushes back against dunn just feels like scum going through the motions with each other to me and the conclusions they come to about each other's alignments feels very flat and not organic.

[Aristeia]

I don't really care about gatekeeping enchant tbh

[Aristeia]

enchant scammed

shambles

[Aristeia]

I kind of think its just whemestar as last scum but I guess I should actually reread the day huh

[Aristeia]

if enchant shot celebloki and alisae shot bulge what did bulge/the last mafia shoot?

so weird

[Aristeia]

i mean at this point it does look like all mafia may have taken guns

what r u even talking about

if all 3 mafia took guns then the last mafia is between enchant and alisae

[Aristeia]

we have 2 dead night 1 mafia guns

so if theres another mafia gun out there, its either Enchant or Alisae

[Aristeia]

well who shot the bulge cause they can be conf town

Me

nice :3

[Aristeia]

Unless mafia submited bulge's action for them, bulge not acting is another possibility.

is it possible both mafia were afk and thats why we have no mafia kills lol

[Aristeia]

If enchant flips town we flip alisae

you think alisae bussed one partner on d1 and then shot the other partner on n1 cuz why

[Aristeia]

It makes no sense for Ali to not flip here

Here aka nignt 1

what r u talking about

why does mafia shoot alisae night one?

[Aristeia]

If enchant flips town we flip alisae

you think alisae bussed one partner on d1 and then shot the other partner on n1 cuz why

Idk town cred to maybe coast to end game

thats not how alisae plays mafia tho

[Aristeia]

ok so why does mafia shoot alisae night 1?

[Aristeia]

Unless mafia submited bulge's action for them, bulge not acting is another possibility.

is it possible both mafia were afk and thats why we have no mafia kills lol

who would that incriminate?

like a mala/bulge scumteam? lol

[Aristeia]

Anyway I read Dunn's interactions w/ Enchant and Wheme and I thought that they were not aligned with Dunn but like I don't rly care they can be flipped regardless.

thats fair i want to get 3/3 and win today lets not do another hollowknight thing

[Aristeia]

Anyway I read Dunn's interactions w/ Enchant and Wheme and I thought that they were not aligned with Dunn but like I don't rly care they can be flipped regardless.

thats fair i want to get 3/3 and win today lets not do another hollowknight thing

hollow knight would have been won if I was listened to and massclaim happened x_x
I don't care when or how victory happens I just want victory

ikr x_X

[Aristeia]

if enchant is a town gun and alisae is a town gun then there's a scum rose

which means the scum nightkill and the scum vig shot both failed.

if enchant is scum gun, then there is also scum nightkill + scum vig both failed

[Aristeia]

yeah Id be far more upset to learn that mafia is punished by not being multitasking. I doubt they even needed to submit a killer.

i alrdy asked mafia is multitasking

[Aristeia]

is it bad that I lowkey think wheme!scum would've given up by now rofl

im sorry for the disrespect wheme :X

[Aristeia]

i picked night eleven rose because I don't need nightkill protection

[Aristeia]

im actually pretty tempted to just yeet enchant ngl

[Aristeia]

I am too

Enchant

join the club

Well it's simple.

Either Alicae mafia who shot their teammate for no reason.
OR
There's mafia rose.

Who would pick rose as mafia?

maybe theta alpine?

she sounds super smart and it has to be someone smart who picked it right

[Aristeia]

dunnstral's really good at mech so I think it could be pretty much anyone maybe if he was running the mech strat for the scum

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

[Aristeia]

v/la until wednesday for personal reasons

i did try to dive dunn and bulge and idk
both feel like lhf and not scum

feels like this is what scum says about their partners floundering and i dont read any real scumhunting from her.

[Aristeia]

rather unfortunate indeed

more unfortunate that the person i most suspect right now is aristeia because i am fairly sure that is wrong

what a coincidence

why do you suspect me?

[Aristeia]

Omg my Q is swallowed by the quote

Why did you expect this Ari?

?

wdym? i never said i expected it?

[Aristeia]

you said "what a coincidence" and i was wondering what you meant by that

its a coincidence because I just voted her

[Aristeia]

i have trouble seeing pisskop as mafia

[Aristeia]

my strongest townreads atp are pisskop titus alisae taly.

want to see mala actually try to do something today.

[Aristeia]

Ty

Also what's the trouble?

he's one of the earliest dunn voters in a situation where it didnt really make sense to bus and he also defended enchant

[Aristeia]

why cant theta be third scum and wasnt really playing

[Aristeia]

like she's still not really playing

[Aristeia]

146 strikes me as an attempt at thread control, like they don't want discussion to stray away from mass-claim adjacency.

attempt at thread control? I barely even bother to post more than one time a day in this thread where the fuck are you getting thread control vibes

narrative control is probably more accurate. shutting down d1 scum strat speculation rubs me the wrong way, esp when you only seem interested in discussing claims. what's the point of assuming there are 3 scum guns and then not going any further with that speculation? it's all noise.

to reduce noise in the thread

to what end?? you haven't shown any interest in sorting alignments

you think pushing enchant for lying about his pick is not sorting alignments?

ok why

there is incentive for town to lie in this setup

^ this is Bulge pushing me and claiming that me pushing enchant for lying about his pick is not sorting his alignment

because town has incentive to lie in this setup

[Aristeia]

again

town has every reason to lie about their claim in this setup

scum cannot trust anything town says
town cannot trust anything scum says

a mass claim puts scum into the advantage in this setup if town follow it truthfully

^ this is theta on the same page supporting bulge and picking up the baton to argue with me about mech and town incentive to lie

[Aristeia]

the common theme is that both of them

know

enchant is lying town and that he has incentive to lie because they're mafia and they know he's town.

[Aristeia]

also the way she defends bulge/dunnstral is just comic book villain levels of bad

and like if you look at the iso i do not see a single instance of her trying to scum hunt or even pretending to scum hunt.

[Aristeia]

i mean it is a little hard to get motivation when i know i need to be eliminated probably anyways and i also am not the best at sorting people

her excuse for why she's not motivated to scumhunt is because she's in the POE.

think about that

which alignment doesn't care about finding the last scum because they're in POE and have to be elimmed?

Town or mafia?

[Aristeia]

huh

dunn and bulge had opposing interactions with aristeia
dunn was supportive of aris ideas while bulge was pushing ari for role fishing

not sure what that means but it is interesting
i am not especially able to tell if the interactions felt unnatural or not though

she claims she read my argument with bulge and can't tell if it's an S/S argument or an S/T argument.

it's just ???

why would I have a giant shitfight with my teammate on day one while pushing the other teammate.

just ridiculous

[Aristeia]

I will caveat all this with I would not be surprised if she is actually just town and has contributed absolutely nothing to this game in terms of scum hunting etc.

but I doubt we will ever be able to trust her or let her endgame. I've given her time and she's done basically no scum hunting. I see no reason why we let her continue to stay unflipped.

If anyone has a stronger case or stronger feelings on someone else being scum for actual reasons I am happy to listen.

[Aristeia]

i could be pretty wrong

how do we feel about waiting for a replacement and hoping they're more readable or whatever

[Aristeia]

I kind of feel like if Dunnstral is mafia there is a good chance whemestar is also mafia?

it's very strange to me that Dunnstral is pushing Whemestar for the reasons he is and Whemestar doesn't find them scummy? he instead says it's too scummy to be scum which is a ? take to me. I feel like the mafia team would value a gun over a rose in terms of nightplay so if they were teamed and dunn is a gun and wheme is a rose then dunn is ok to bus wheme but wheme wouldn't want dunn to go down because dunn actually can shoot people at night.

the way Dunn "catches" wheme and wheme pushes back against dunn just feels like scum going through the motions with each other to me and the conclusions they come to about each other's alignments feels very flat and not organic.

^
this is what I posted at the tail end of D1


I feel like with how I interacted with Bulge d1 constantly hammering him, and how I hardshoved Dunnstral for being scum, if whemestar was also mafia and I was on point there too then the mafia would have shot me on night one

I know they didnt because I'm not a night one rose and I'm still alive.

I think a good reason for not shooting me is if whemestar is town and they were hoping I would push him on d2.

Also his enthuiasm at daystart d2 felt kind of townie to me, I would think scum would be kind of despondent at the turn of events.

would I let him endgame? probly not, but all in all it made me feel better about whemestar than the other candidates

[Aristeia]

i really doubt pisskop busses dunn like that

[Aristeia]

if u assume the last scum is a rose which has to be true if alisae is town

then busses in d1 should be gun bus rose not rose bus gun

[Aristeia]

at strategic level its dumb to have rose bus gun on d1 and dunnstral is very very good at mech

pisskop was one of the first dunn voters and the iso shows he wanted to lim dunn. i have a hard time seeing him do that as mafia

[Aristeia]

i think the way d1 played out, scum were very comfortable with the enchant wagon and set themselves up to keep their hands off of it.

then when thread changed on enchant to wheme they were still ambivalent

dunnstral only really engaged after he became viable and pisskop was an important part of that.

[Aristeia]

essentially we caught dunn napping and he was off balance when the shift happened.

i dont think that happens if pisskop is mafia

[Aristeia]

i am voting the alternative and i have already listed my poe

[Aristeia]

titus

and i were important in

dunn's

viability i would say

agree on titus disagree on you

by the time you voted we were 20h to deadline and there was no viable other wagon it was just a matter of who were the last few voters on dunnstral.

[Aristeia]

my strongest townreads atp are pisskop titus alisae taly.

want to see mala actually try to do something today.

[Aristeia]

b]rad[/b] hasn't swayed you at all then ?

what did you think is town indicative?

i didnt see anything convincing to me

[Aristeia]

Generally when a townie catches up on a thread and comes up with an epiphany about a player that the rest of the PL is ignoring they do it for a

reason

there is no reasoning contained in Redados push, I have no idea how Redados came up with Pisskop as the last mafia.

It's not like he is saying I read to post # and because of this Pisskop is mafia

his reasoning is:

So why are you voting me?

Well it was a gut feeling but now that I have ISOd you it looks like I’m a genius

That is not a reason. Please explain

ok I will explain I don't feel like you are playing like a town would I feel like you are playing like a scum would.

you're mafia because you're acting like mafia is a circular argument with absolutely no specifics attached. I find no way to read into his thinking.

[Aristeia]

I'm actually geniunely confused what you find convincing about his push.

is "because its contrarian" your best reason for why you think he's town and right on pisskop?

[Aristeia]

generally speaking I read a lot less into D2/D3 posting than D1 posting

D1 is the only day with multiple scum alive where scum are behaving in an agenda'd way.

at D2/D3 where its 1 scum left the win condition for the mafia becomes the same as the win condition for the town so its a lot harder to figure things out.

Reading someone on motivation is questionable because some people become demotivated as last scum and some people become more motivated, also town can become demotivated by being far ahead and feeling like its already over.

I reread d1 to figure out what is the scum team doing and how a strategy makes sense. I don't think it makes sense for pisskop scum rose to bus dunnstral scum gun because scum guns get to shoot and scum roses do not get to shoot. I feel like Dunnstral's thread trajectory was basically walk in and make small comments while doing his best not to rock the boat because things were going well for the scum team - he only really efforted when things moved towards looking bad for him, doing a desperation readlist to try to get people to unvote him. That simply does not fit in a world where his scum teammate is bussing him the whole way through imo and if the scum made the decision to bus dunn for credit I would've expected Bulge to be on the wagon as well, instead he hard committed to fighting me the whole way through while I was pushing him and while I was pushing dunnstral. This suggests to me that the scum strategy was not to bus dunn and hope for the best.

[Aristeia]

if people dont care to play the game just vote anywhere and lets get this over with

[Aristeia]

1st vote = 4 points
2nd vote = 3 point
3rd vote = 2 points
4th vote = 1 points

Just add up the points based on who’s where and then we vote whoever has highest points first

(1st) Redados - 4 Points
(2nd) SirCakez - 3 Points
(3rd) Whemestar -2 Points
(4th) Mala - 1 Point

[Aristeia]

generally speaking I read a lot less into D2/D3 posting than D1 posting

The more I sit and digest this, the more this feels like an excuse to simply never update your reads.

Regardless of my alignment, I hate playing the beginning of games because I just can’t hold that many players in my head at a time. I can keep track of people much better after there are more flips and therefore less people to keep track of.

except I did update my reads

notice how my read on wheme star changed from d1 to d3

[Aristeia]

also my comment was more about how scum motivation changed from d1 to d2 because on d1 scum had partners to play around and on day 2 scum did not - which makes the last scum the same as the town in terms of how they interact with the thread since they no longer have partners to dance around.

claiming that im not updating my reads is just misrepping me and ignoring the point that I am making.

[Aristeia]

like, i dont follow how bussing only happens from gun to rose here

and how we caught dunn while scum were just sitting content with wheme/enchant

or the relationship to pissko

the point of bussing is to gain thread influence by getting rid of a teammate and making your own position stronger. If the scum team wants to bus, they don't want to bus a gun because a gun can shoot at night and get rid of a town.

if you want to bus a gun, you would do it after your gun has fired.

I don't think the scum team decided to bus dunnstral because if they did Bulge wouldn't be fighting me, he would be bussing Dunnstral. I also don't think it makes sense to bus Dunnstral before he gets his shot off. Scum are usually pretty careful about their optics on bussing - which is why I don't think any of the early voters on Dunnstral are mafia.

I think Dunnstral felt pretty comfortable coming in and posting like one post on nothing really important because there was no threat to mafia, he didnt feel the need to join the enchant wagon.

I don't think pisskop is mafia because he was an early voter of dunnstral. I don't even understand what the scum case on pisskop even is atp.

[Aristeia]

can u look at taly for me alisae

[Aristeia]

just look through talys iso on d1 and lemme know what you think about talys dunnstral progression pls

[Aristeia]

im bored what else r we going to do <3

[Aristeia]

You still haven't answered me on

Red

:/

i posted my reasoning on theta on this page

viewtopic.php?t=91817&start=1575

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: ISO

Good shooting, space cowboys

celeblocki took that vig like champ too

I do think at least 1 maf took a gun, so isnt the pool basically enchant/wheme/whoever defended bulge?

I dont know if maf needs to take a night 1 gun.

Ok so my reads were mostly garbage

There is a big difference between both of their opening D2 posts.

pisskop

is positing on how we PoE (which both options are based on D1 entirely), and some fluffy comment about mafia not needing N1 gun? this feels out of place because it is factually incorrect with

Dunn

cakez

is having a hangover over being wrong

Do you think last mafia would bother defending Bulge/Dunn or would they accept that its a lost cause and hide in the masses?

A question with an answer I'd like to have heard

pissko

say.

I feel like he was being scumread bc he picked rose, which if you are going to nitpick me over semantics its interchangable being being scum read bc he didnt pick gun.

no.

Their takes arent special or proactive, but theyve been largely on point and consistent with the years old meta I have of them

This wasn't even a D1 post so it's hard to track why this is relevant information for

pisskop

to comment on.

Theres no shame in capitulation, final scum

?

I dont get why youre getting bent out of shape over being in the POE of a game with 1 maf left on Day 2

because if someone is town they don't want to fuck with town's likely win?

Alisae has the right idea about forming a simple towncore and going down the list.

any idea on who you want?

The Bulge wasnt suss enough and dunn wasnt wagoned enough to warrent full blown bussing off the rip, imo, so the juice will be in how they distanced/defended either. Or failed to mention them at all until it was necessary.

and the relationship to the third scum?

Scum NK probably hit a N1 Rose right

yeah.

why did I think there were 4 scum

relatable and unlikely to be faked tbh

VOTE: whemestar
I'm not gonna resist the river here

this is how

cakez

pocketed me.

let's be careful and not blow our lead here
I do think we need to resolve the rest of the guns first

i thought this was the best plan at the time.

Oh Wheme was fake claiming gun? Urgh
VOTE: enchant then

ugh is right....

I dont particularly see the benefit of claiming nights or anything.

The final maf has nobody to look out for anymore other than themselves.

Doesnt matter who they shot, if there's more than 1 night1 rose its up for grabs.

Do we need to dig so deeply into the setup to find a towncore? Any sensible maf is claiming n1 rose in this instance.

What?
I didn't read this before but this is a wild take. ngl.

We had probably 2 mafia shots blocked and discussion on the theory behind it is to be shutdown?

But also, there's no counters to my claim,

Titus'

claim,

Gamma's

claim, or

Aristeia's

claim.

Oh,

Gamma

died. Okay.

Ppl I think are pretty town - Alisae, Aristeia, Taly
Kinda townish - Gamma, Titus
Ppl I'm ?? on - pisskop, Mala, Theta
Wtf - Wheme
Scummy - Enchant

pocketed

We're in an amazing spot rn, and it's pretty natural for people to default back to the unfinished business of yesterday in the absence of pressure

okay but is that a good thing?

Im okay with a cake lim

vote?

Oh Wheme was fake claiming gun? Urgh
VOTE: enchant then

No bad cakez **eats cake**

u think enchants gun claim is town?

yes and im awesome because i was correct

There's a tiny spider that could probably be more comfortably measured in pixels than millimeters webbing up and down in front of my giant monitor

everyone dies sometime

P: spider bro helps, I keep my windows open most of the year

fluff

VOTE: cakez

ok going with the flow here

I had a dream about this game and I don't rlly understand why it's not that intense lmao

I got mislimmed lmaoo
About par for the course

honestly this feels a bit brazen in a towny way

My take for today hasn't changed, still think Enchant has to go to resolve the game state. We can keep solving from there if it isn't over, the recent stomp in Defcon is making me think I shouldn't overthink this

eh okay

2 days of nothing now

Kindly stop messing around now

ummm... weren't you in favor of

enchant

via PoE or the fact of limming through D1 reads? this is a very weird stance for

pisskop

to take.

I agree Theta shouldn't go to ELO but idk if that's the right elim today

oh, restraint

VOTE: pisskop
I think I want to start here today

sure

what for?

feels like a completely random vote

idk if its random tbh

I've never had you as a read above ? and I pointed out some posts of yours I found scummy earlier. I'm trying to work on new scumread directions here, I don't feel like continuing in the same direction of Wheme, Theta, low content slots like Mala
And obviously I am not interested in eliminating myself

fair

I think the only people I really feel good about rn are Alisae, Taly and Aristeia

cakez

is busted OP

It sucks that Gamma died cuz she was one of my townreads I felt okay about
I don't really TR Titus anymore, her last two posts are literally just naked votes on me and I find it suspicious that she is seemingly uninterested in actually engaging with me or discussing any of her thoughts or arguments about me

wrong, boo,

titus

is town

but i dont think scum takes this angle if on the verge of potential elimination, its just very specific to go after another non-discussed slot

It sucks that Gamma died cuz she was one of my townreads I felt okay about
I don't really TR Titus anymore, her last two posts are literally just naked votes on me and I find it suspicious that she is seemingly uninterested in actually engaging with me or discussing any of her thoughts or arguments about me

Quick correction not her last two posts anymore but that was recent

k

do you, but its so blatantly obvious im town it just looks like youre lost

dismissal of

Cakez's

vote/scumread

I gotta get in and look at who evolved and bulge and why

Anyone remember somebody whose opinion on the bulge, and even dunnstral, changed over the day for better or worse?

We use the informed minority nature of mafia against them

a promise to an analysis that isnt here and also doesnt give much food for thought tbh

we can start with a cakez lim

there we go again

no fuck off

King shit

VOTE: cakez

why did you change your mind

fair question

I don't want to settle back to day one reads, i want to figure out who Dunn and bulge scum points to

i like this POV

See im convinced its more about how people reacted to them, not the slots themselves.

why not both?

good question, why is

pisskop

downplaying the purpose of NKA?

Dunn was largely empty.

The bulge was lessso, but still acutely under pressure for a large amount of time.

Im fairly convinced 3rd scum would have changed how they view bulge specifically.

another analysis going nowhere

Alisae and Ari are town.

My real concern is a maf partner who jumped into a heavy convo about a topic that has no relevance.

again, nothing that is stating a specific read or push

Why do you feel ignored? Youre pretty town

not why i felt ignored or why my WIM was low due to D2.

the main gist is that

Cakez

has been going with unusual takes on slots that don't protect him from elimination

and

pissko

keeps eluding to an analysis that isnt present because you cant follow how their ideas relate to their read, specifically

cakez

, and their tone to D2 and D3's flip is really odd given how they want to continue eliminating D1 suspected slots.

VOTE: pisskop

i dont get your scumread tbh. can you explain it in a simpler way for me

[Aristeia]

Fixed mindset is anti town

its only anti town if you're not mafia

[Aristeia]

To me, it's between Sircakez and Ali.

im willing to vote sircakez

not realy willing to vote alisae

[Aristeia]

can you vote for redadados

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ari

how are you reading my slot rn?

i liked the way you pressured dunnstral early game but i didnt like the way you waffled on voting for him and seemed to be trying to find anywhere to vote other than him as the day wound down.

a lot of your posting is you deciding between cakez, enchant, dunnstral and listing reasons etc for and against each which is questionable to me but could be because my decision making process is not the same as yours.


719 pinged me you made it as you commited to voting Wheme after Alisae hardpressed for the Wheme-wagon. It felt like you were offering me an olive branch because I wanted dunn and you wanted me to know that if I had kept pushing dunn instead of changing my mind to help alisae with whemestar at 711 that you would have helped me with dunnstral. Which is questionable to me because it felt like you really wanted credit for voting dunnstral without actually voting dunnstral.

Then the whemestar wagon stalled out and I moved back to Dunnstral, but you stayed behind on Whemestar. 804 is questionable because if you're a n1 rose why would you care if Enchant shoots you?

you finally voted dunnstral at 1128 when it felt like there were no real options left.

I think on effort/solving you feel pretty townie but there's like things that feel like have scum agenda.

i kind of think if you were mafia you would be more committed to bussing since you set up the groundwork already. I am unlikely to change my mind on you and I hope one of us gets shot so I don't have to think about it.

I don't have any issues losing to you if you're scum because you have a lot of commitment to the game.

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804 is questionable because if you're a n1 rose why would you care if Enchant shoots you?

i didnt want

enchant

to waste a bullet

but proving you're a night one rose is almost as good as conftowning yourself in a setup where scum r probably all guns

anyway I can see why you'd think this way so I didn't really want to go down this rabbit hole

[Aristeia]

ah i got cold feet

VOTE: cakes

e-1 etc etc

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uh I'm willing to sheep taly on whatever he wants this dayphase

kind of worried that me being alive is because pisskop is mafia and I'm defending him >.>

[Aristeia]

VOTE: redados

fingers crossed

[Aristeia]

gg thx for modding FakeGod!