Toriel's Patience (end)

[Lazy Shirou]

Hi my name is Toriel Winstead. I'm ??? years old. I am very similar to you. Did I mention to you that I'm dead? A few years ago a girl pushed me down a sewer hole to try the Genocide Route. When I didn't come back up the police came.The girl said that I had fell and everyone believed them. The police found my body in the Ruins. I had a broken neck and my face was torn off. Send this message to 15 humans (or monsters) after you listened the whole message if you value your life. A boy called Flowey received this message. He just left and deleted it. When he was in the shower he heard laughing. My laughter. He got really scared and rushed to his phone to repost this message but he was too late. The next morning his mom entered his bedroom and all she found was a message written in his blood saying 'You will never have him back'. No one has found his body yet because he is with me. Another boy called Dunnstral received this message and he immediately sent it to 25 people, 10 more than required. I still watch over every second of his life to make sure that he is safe and to keep him and everyone close to him out of danger. Send this to 15 people in the next five minutes if you don't want your fate to be the same as Flowey's. Your time starts now.the story is true you can research it on Google.

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: Brown Eyes

[Lazy Shirou]

I would delete that too honestly

It's been over five minutes now...

*sigh*

I hope you're in a better place now Ali. This cruel world didn't deserve you.

[Lazy Shirou]

At first I was kinda excited at the possibility of rolling both mafia and Toriel here and starting the game by scumclaiming for the chaos, but like some people have explained already, I soon realized that Toriel's flip does count towards Mercy/Fight goals (which would make it anti-wincon) and although that makes complete sense to not make sorting Toriel kinda irrelevant, I'm sad that we can't potentially have claimed scum to banter with~

I loved the Pine vs Alisae/Person-I-forgot-the-name series

The concept of having confirmed scum to talk to is pretty fun to me!

[Lazy Shirou]

THEREFORE DEAR DUNNSTRAL,

Do know that if you claim scum today, I PROMISE to vote for Mercy rather than Fight no matter what! I'm here with OPEN ARMS willing to SCUM IT UP with you if you're red!

You just gotta say the words!

[Lazy Shirou]

[Lazy Shirou]

Hmm

This game has started off pretty seriously

I think I've an idea of who Mandate may be but I could easily be wrong I guess, I'll try to not let that assumption cloud my judgement

[Lazy Shirou]

to find associatives in the first 5 pages immediately is asinine in most cases, and i dont understand where you're getting your assertions

mandate

,

its almost entirely a grief with my playstyle.

[Lazy Shirou]

i turn 25 this Saturday

Oh! Congrats Taly~

I hope whatever you've planned for that day goes well! (even if you don't have anything planned?!)

[Lazy Shirou]

no? i dont know what you mean by "grief" either? im meaning hes giving me grief.

do you think it's more likely scum grief or town grief though?

[Lazy Shirou]

I can assure you that you are not going to correctly alt guess me, so I'd recommend finding some other more productive way to read my slot if that's what you're interested in.

I'm not trying to seriously alt guess you

just wanted to say that, and maybe I may or not ask if I was right post-game in private

while we're here I'll just go along with the flow yeah!

[Lazy Shirou]

Taly I don't think that Mandate was referring to you in that post, but who knows

[Lazy Shirou]

guys i have a great idea what if we build a town block

What if we build a scum block

[Lazy Shirou]

Wish this game had hoods so I could pocket Shirou in one...

DOES YOUR EVIL KNOW NO BOUNDS GIRL?!!1!1

[Lazy Shirou]

I think this is a good time to ask ourselves if Dannflor is a deepwolf

maybe

VOTE: Dannflor

[Lazy Shirou]

This doesn't help Sakura as a wolf though, does it?

what doesn't

If you're a wolf you want to be townread so you go over or push some wrong villagers but Sakura is just, doing neither? Unless that's the point to get townread but that's wifom ya know?

This feels kind of reductive? Wolves post to have thread presence, to be engaged in the game, to have fun... pushing agenda is nice but not every single wolf post is anchored on that and not every wolf post has deep and complex connotations. Wolves absolutely just post random thoughts to look more engaged, which tend to make you look more townie (or at the very least less appealing to lim), and nothing in Sakura's posting indicates that she isn't

trying

to be townread. Wraps around to the classic "if I'm a wolf, how come I'm not being townread?" argument, as if getting townread is this guaranteed thing to gain with certain posts rather than something that wolves fail at a bunch.

At the dead of the night, Shirou is met with lovecrafitian existential HORROR as a dangerous thought floods inside his head once again:

"Hear me out folks...This...kinda sounds like a town!Meuh post..."

[Lazy Shirou]

At the dead of the night, Shirou is met with lovecrafitian existential HORROR as a dangerous thought floods inside his head once again:

if shirou was town this one liner would be at least a twenty page phd thesis on meuhs tendency to use a nonlinear thought pattern to fake thought about the game in order to craft a narrative around her trajectory.

the best I can give you is a ten pages documentary about scum!meuh tendency to say that AKSHUALLY Shirou is doing an alright job as he miseliminates people and that he shouldn't rethink his current trajectory because he's definitely right SOMEWHERE

[Lazy Shirou]

to be clear I'm not *really* town leaning Meuh but I guess I got vague town vibes from that post

[Lazy Shirou]

it was such a pretty dance it was worth it to lose to her imo

indeed, it turned out into a pretty good meme!

[Lazy Shirou]

God I reread our PT from that game, actual work of art...

one of the many best parts

I think if we flip MariaR/Furtive, Midway/Enchant and Gimli/STD we probably just win, tbh. Like there's enough scumminess packed into those 3 pairs that I think all scum could be there

Right now the game does feel like it's winnable mhm, I would change one of those pairs for you know who but either way

I keep wondering if there's one pair in this game that has scum and will slip under everyone radars to endgame

Shirou

has been endgamed. he was aligned with the

town

.

Meuh

survives and wins! she was aligned with the

mafia

.

congratulations to the mafia for winning New Year Dance Party!

[Lazy Shirou]

I think the main thread roleplaying was even funnier at some points though

but maybe that's just me

p-edit: Sakura...townie?

[Lazy Shirou]

It definitely helps that this is the kind of setup where I fully expect scum to be going full on buddying each other trying to make a pseudo townbloc

Why would you expect scum necessarily to go "full on buddying each other"?

Fight route looks similar to mountainous and sparing a mafia in Mercy route through a "pseudo townblock" would cause suspicious to be cast on the people in it afterwards

I think scum would be more likely to try to buddy other players in this game but I don't understand why they would willingly associate themselves and risk diminishing their individual odds of being spared after one of them is

[Lazy Shirou]

Hm, to explain why I'm bringing up an older post, I wasn't paying much attention to the game until now so I was re:reading now that it slowed down a bit

I kinda see the points made about Taly/Keyleth except that I think their interactions feel kinda anti-associative

[Lazy Shirou]

Keyleth almost feels too scummy to be scum...

p-edit: I know, just stating where I'm personally at

[Lazy Shirou]

But Mandate I still don't think I understood why you think scum would buddy each other up

I do agree that scum are more likely to try harder at interactions, be it with townies or partners, but why would you expect those interactions between partners to be buddying rather than distancing?

[Lazy Shirou]

Or here's another way of looking at it, especially if Dunnstral is town.

If the top four townreads of the game collectively are town, even if the first two lims hit town then scum can't compete to be spared until the absolute final spare where scum must secure two consecutive lims on scum without then being punished for having pushed the first one onto scum. That's a really unpleasant situation to be in. Alternatively, you try to secure at least one scum members as a general townread and when it goes down it incriminates a large block of people and town are more likely to be like "well any individual pusher of this could be town since a lot of town did townread this person, clearly" and there can even be some townies who hard push it to the extent that they invalidate themselves.

Scum not being present in the pool of people who are general table townreads makes this game extremely difficult to play for them and is likely to just snowball into a loss.

This makes sense yeah, if a scum sparing implicated more than one person, scum could try to benefit from that situation after the milk is spilled. It's just that Key stood up for Taly in a very direct and single-handedly way, which made me at least on face value think of it as anti-associative so I got curious about your comment.

[Lazy Shirou]

All of Sakura's posts have left me perplexed

Because limming scum on d1 and d2 is the primary goal right now and we can think about what comes later later?

I see, although... that sounds like a tall order tbh, how often does that happen in games?

2 shots at hitting scum in an 11:3 mountainous really isn't terrible? and I also don't see in what way the point you're making proves that we shouldn't be scumhunting here.

I wouldn't randomly throw out a townread and defend a player just for the fun of it?

Scum do that, though. Not "for the fun of it", but scum make reads and engage with the game in ways that aren't solely focused on pushing townies over or doing super surface level townie things. Scum want to act like they do as town, to look helpful, to look as though they're thinking about the game, to maintain presence, to cozy up to people, to not get seen as an inactive...
Sakura making a handful of posts that aren't focused on throwing someone under the bus doesn't mean she's town? It feels like a reach

I think sakura is kinda townie

I kinda agree

:thonking:

[Lazy Shirou]

Dear Meuh, you spend two of the few content posts you've arguing against Sakura and in the first "perplexed" sounds like it has a negative connotation, but by the end...you find her townie?

Hmmmm

Were you planning to betray me again?!

VOTE: Meuh

[Lazy Shirou]

I wouldn't randomly throw out a townread and defend a player just for the fun of it?

Scum do that, though. Not "for the fun of it", but scum make reads and engage with the game in ways that aren't solely focused on pushing townies over or doing super surface level townie things. Scum want to act like they do as town, to look helpful, to look as though they're thinking about the game, to maintain presence, to cozy up to people, to not get seen as an inactive...
Sakura making a handful of posts that aren't focused on throwing someone under the bus doesn't mean she's town? It feels like a reach

forgot to quote this one too

[Lazy Shirou]

I haven't thought a lot about it but right now I'm at:

If Dunn is scum we need to choose fight, otherwise any mistake can make us lose the game.

Assuming Dunn is town:

I think if we miseliminate twice sparing start to sound more questionable given we'll need every townie to be correct in the last two potential days (3:4) and (2:4).

I think if we eliminate one scum and one townie, sparring sounds better/good

If we manage to get two scum in d1/d2 it's an auto win by sparring

[Lazy Shirou]

Sparring sounds busted until you factor in the NKs removing the consensus town reads, but I really haven't thought much about it

[Lazy Shirou]

I think we just gotta see what we get in D1/D2 before deciding

[Lazy Shirou]

to find associatives in the first 5 pages immediately is asinine in most cases, and i dont understand where you're getting your assertions

mandate

,

its almost entirely a grief with my playstyle.

-gif snipped-

What does this mean?

I saw Mandate being ironic in the start of the game and didn't pay much attention to the arguments/didn't read certain pages, so in later pages I thought Mandate claiming associatives so early in the game was half ironically and Taly was being slightly trolled (so "griefed").

In a proper re:read I understood it was a serious push and there was some plausible motive behind it.

[Lazy Shirou]

The word “perplexed” is deliberate there, it’s negative in terms of her ideas, that seem out there to me, but not her actual alignment.
I argue against

Keyleth’s argument

(which was bad regardless of Sakura’s alignment), then took a look at the ISO and got vague townvibes
You’re imagining implications for reads from the surface of my posting and not the actual thought process I have, there’s no read on Sakura that I actually voice before I agree with Ari, you’re drawing that line, and you’re wrong for doing that! Raises your scum equity a bunch cause I think you’re capable of more substantial reads, was wondering who would react when I agreed with Ari on Sakura, but this is sad…

I didn't necessarily say you inverted your read on Sakura

I'm arguing that all that discussion seemed kinda pointless based on your progression and perhaps was posted to just look like you're thinking about the game

It was the unique thing you really engaged about game content and it apparently led to nowhere

removed a slash-quote tag breaking bbcode as an unrequested but presumably preferred edit

[Lazy Shirou]

The word “perplexed” is deliberate there, it’s negative in terms of her ideas, that seem out there to me, but not her actual alignment.
I argue against

Keyleth’s argument

(which was bad regardless of Sakura’s alignment), then took a look at the ISO and got vague townvibes
You’re imagining implications for reads from the surface of my posting and not the actual thought process I have, there’s no read on Sakura that I actually voice before I agree with Ari, you’re drawing that line, and you’re wrong for doing that! Raises your scum equity a bunch cause I think you’re capable of more substantial reads, was wondering who would react when I agreed with Ari on Sakura, but this is sad…

I didn't necessarily say you inverted your read on Sakura

I'm arguing that all that discussion seemed kinda pointless based on your progression and perhaps was posted to just look like you're thinking about the game

It was the unique thing you really engaged about game content and it apparently led to nowhere

(

FIXED

)

[Lazy Shirou]

I know you also expressed feelings about Dunn/Merlyn but they felt like throwaways, you engaged the most on stuff related to Sakura

I also wonder what made you think Dunn is town though?

[Lazy Shirou]

I was joking around too for the most part of the game up until now, and I see no issue with it but you decided to engage with the game a few times, okie.

However most of what you engaged with was theoretical discussion apparently unrelated to alignment as you say. I don't think it's an odd take to find that weird, it's similar to how someone solely discussing game mechanics rather than alignment would perhaps be suspected.

Then, did you misunderstand what my point was or do you still think it's an "unsubstantial" read?

[Lazy Shirou]

I don't know if I posted this already either, but after some consideration I think that AtE from Taly's may be kinda outside of what I think she would do as scum

I'm not very confident on it though, but last time I played with scum!Taly she felt more collected and focused

[Lazy Shirou]

I still feel blegh about Keyleth though

[Lazy Shirou]

[Lazy Shirou]

I also wonder what made you think Dunn is town though?

Him townreading me

That almost feels too honest to be scum!

[Lazy Shirou]

can you elaborate on your keyleth feelings, shirou?

She seems to have a "Innocent until proven guilty" philosophy and everyone else plays more along the lines of "Guilty until proven Innocent"

It doesn't make mathematical sense when you think about it, but the natural/default feeling to have about other slots is often suspicious, but Key does the opposite of that and seems to "trust" as the default feeling.

That makes her posts look out of place/odd and we tend to suspect unusual things but it seems sort of NAI.

I guess that's the best way I can explain what I and even perhaps you may be feeling towards her. What I'm mulling over about her at the moment is how her posts would potentially differ between having different alignments.

[Lazy Shirou]

You could perhaps argue that Keyleth may be faking her hunting philosophy but I've reasons (that I shouldn't explain and may be mistaken) to believe it's probably what she really believes in.

That's where I'm at about Key yea

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: Lazy Shirou

Care to explain?

[Lazy Shirou]

shirou is interesting because for whatever reason my eyes glaze

completely

over every time i start reading one of his posts. they also glaze over when reading some meuh posts but not as hard.

WOW RUDE!

NOW I'M WRITING IN CAPSLOCK, ARE YOU STILL GLAZING OVER THEM HUH?!!1!

[Lazy Shirou]

i can see 449 being townish, 378 is kind of eh though.

ARE YOU STILL GLAZING OVER THEM

yes

I'm just on my best behavior!


That's unusual though, no one ever said that about my posts I think...unless when I'm shitposting perhaps?

I'm being a bit more uh, "technical" in my explanations here though, that could be it.

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: Lazy Shirou

Care to explain?

Pure vibes, no evidence whatsoever

There's just something about your posts that don't sit right with me, there's a shade of

artificial reasonableness

in them. Cute gifs though

Oh you're kinda right about it, I'm being kinda careful about how I interact with the game

I don't want to be dragged into fights, spats or deathtunnels like most of my games

Mainly because I want to play casually like I said in the sign-ups, but also because I don't wanna risk "ruining" Isis's game with my usual antics. Dunno if I can afford to avoid it for three whole days though.

[Lazy Shirou]

This is my 30th attempt at playing a nice casual game or something, for ~reasons~ I think this time I may be able to pull it off!

and talking about 30th...I've bought Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection and am going through a nostalgia trip.

Street Fighter 2 was the first game I ever played!

(Mega Drive fans rise up?)

[Lazy Shirou]

It's a shame my console version as a kid didn't have the expansion characters, I quite like Cammy

From the OG crowd, gotta go with Vega!



p-edit: wow that's a huge post...

[Lazy Shirou]

I don't really get the Sakura townleans

I think the slot is so-so

similar feeling towards Meuh but I think Meuh posts are townier on average

[Lazy Shirou]

sakura is probably the easiest player in the playerlist to read and

she's p townie so far

how?

what would be different in her posts if she was scum in your PoV?

[Lazy Shirou]

I think this game has a higher amount of "tough to read" slots than usual

This is gonna be interesting especially because it's also a game where we need to "find town" most of the time

[Lazy Shirou]

Oh I didn't remember that, sorry

I also didn't remember that because I didn't find it convincing

[Lazy Shirou]

My feelings towards Ari are similar to Implosion/Mandate's towards me.

I don't feel much towards either direction when I read her posts, most neutral slot ever!

[Lazy Shirou]

If we're posting our theme songs here goes mine~

[Lazy Shirou]

This is getting a bit awkward

It's page 26 and I've no idea who may be scum

There's no slot giving me a big flashing "I'm scumposting" sign

[Lazy Shirou]

to be clear I'm not *really* town leaning Meuh but I guess I got vague town vibes from that post

this strikes me as odd given that in an ISO, all of the posts from both of you until this point had seemed like fluff to me.

Should I be unfriendly to someone just because I don't town lean them?

[Lazy Shirou]

i meant distinct thought,

meuh

to be clear I'm not *really* town leaning Meuh but I guess I got vague town vibes from that post

this strikes me as odd given that in an ISO, all of the posts from both of you until this point had seemed like fluff to me.

Should I be unfriendly to someone just because I don't town lean them?

no, i just dont think the read is committal in a way i want to probe further because i didnt find a reason to townread

meuh

atp from the ISO I just skimmed

if you ISO'd me you would find that I explicitly pointed out the post I liked about Meuh shortly before that post you quoted

[Lazy Shirou]

You can disagree whether it was valid to feel like that towards Meuh at that point, but from the way you said it, it sounded like as if you don't understand why I would have expressed that feeling towards Meuh slot

p-edit: you mean to quote it?

[Lazy Shirou]

This doesn't help Sakura as a wolf though, does it?

what doesn't

If you're a wolf you want to be townread so you go over or push some wrong villagers but Sakura is just, doing neither? Unless that's the point to get townread but that's wifom ya know?

This feels kind of reductive? Wolves post to have thread presence, to be engaged in the game, to have fun... pushing agenda is nice but not every single wolf post is anchored on that and not every wolf post has deep and complex connotations. Wolves absolutely just post random thoughts to look more engaged, which tend to make you look more townie (or at the very least less appealing to lim), and nothing in Sakura's posting indicates that she isn't

trying

to be townread. Wraps around to the classic "if I'm a wolf, how come I'm not being townread?" argument, as if getting townread is this guaranteed thing to gain with certain posts rather than something that wolves fail at a bunch.

At the dead of the night, Shirou is met with lovecrafitian existential HORROR as a dangerous thought floods inside his head once again:

"Hear me out folks...This...kinda sounds like a town!Meuh post..."

^ it was this post

It seemed really engaged in a way I didn't remember scum!Meuh being early on in Dance Game, but then as Ari joked around back then, I started to notice Meuh kept discussing stuff from a very theoretical point of view and that it wasn't related to alignment sorting.

When she made this post, added with the "Sakura's posts left me perplexed", I thought she was mindmelding with me that Sakura wasn't that townie.

[Lazy Shirou]

Later it clicked to me that she wasn't mindmelding with me at all and then I began to wonder why she had put so much effort in that theoretical discussion if she thought Sakura was townie anyway and boom...I voted her as you know



p-edit: huh

[Lazy Shirou]

actually am I still voting Meuh?

I don't remember lol

I'm also unsure if I want to unvote, I don't know a more interesting place to be

[Lazy Shirou]

(I'm still voting Meuh!)

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: Meuh

Anyway, why?

[Lazy Shirou]

what makes you want to reconsider

shirou

?

This made me feel a bit less confident about her:

I also wonder what made you think Dunn is town though?

Him townreading me

That almost feels too honest to be scum!

-gif snipped-

I still think she's an okay vote but the "case"/"evidence" is pretty whatever atm

[Lazy Shirou]

i dont get your read on her even now, but i agree that her tone in this quote feels unnatural on first glance

Shirou is saying he is leaning towards town on Meuh for that post

No I'm not

It's more like, I was leaning her to scum

but then that post made me lean her to null again

[Lazy Shirou]

Meuh is anywhere between nullscum, null and nulltown depending on my variable mood when I open the thread yes

I don't have a solid read on her atm

p-edit: okay

[Lazy Shirou]

I am very confused right now by that post.
I can understand Dunn's alignment being very important mechanically.

I dont understand why my alignment makes or breaks our win in the game tho.

I was just about to say that

I'm curious why Mandate thinks you're one of the biggest potential threats if scum here

p-edit: seems like he replied to it already...

[Lazy Shirou]

what do you hope to gain from a wagon on her

shirou

?

hm, get closer to eliminating someone I think has the best odds in my view (although rather low) of being wolf?

[Lazy Shirou]

It's not that she's the biggest threat if scum it's that I think the only plausible way we actually lose the game is if exactly Sakura and Dunnstral are two scum

You seem to have a lot of confidence yup.

[Lazy Shirou]

I know this sounds counterintuitive and this applies to most of the playerlist, but I find it suspicious that there is a lack of scumreads, much less ones that arent consensus.

Mood

I didn't want point that out before though because I was being kinda distrusted and didn't want to be seem as attempting to "break the townblock" or something but it all feels rather shaky to me

Townreads are being given left and right here with relative ease

/shrug

[Lazy Shirou]

ari has this weird fucking knack of kicking my ass into gear but okay

I apologize for making you work hard while I just slack off and sip on champagne I can't help it.

but im curious, how do you read

alisae

?

Taly, Alisae has barely posted.

[Lazy Shirou]

I know this sounds counterintuitive and this applies to most of the playerlist, but I find it suspicious that there is a lack of scumreads, much less ones that arent consensus.

Mood

I didn't want point that out before though because I was being kinda distrusted and didn't want to be seem as attempting to "break the townblock" or something but it all feels rather shaky to me

Townreads are being given left and right here with relative ease

/shrug

I feel like its important you should have said this when you thought it and I'm wondering if being distrusted is a sufficient reason to have not done it.

It is, Alisae can confirm from TM2023

I do very much dislike being distrusted as either alignment

[Lazy Shirou]

I think Taly is leaning to her "town meta" by seizing control of the thread like this but for some reason I dislike it

I wonder if it's because I dislike anyone other than me having control of the thread. Maybe. I don't want to have control over this game though.

[Lazy Shirou]

This actually happened in my last game, funnily enough. The "Everyone that is posting feels towny" thing.

Were they right?

[Lazy Shirou]

yall think im doing this for control?

LMAO

yall think any of my posting yesterday is someone who wants thread control?

I don't think you're consciously seizing control

It's just that there's a vacuum of a "leader" at the moment and you were filling it

don't mind me, I think your pressure on Meuh was good and what I may have done if I wasn't being "LAZY Shirou"

[Lazy Shirou]

Curtains call

Mandate gets up in the stage

The audience holds their breath

The winner of the "Scum of the Week" trophy is....?

[Lazy Shirou]

yall think im doing this for control?

LMAO

yall think any of my posting yesterday is someone who wants thread control?

I don't think you're consciously seizing control

It's just that there's a vacuum of a "leader" at the moment and you were filling it

don't mind me, I think your pressure on Meuh was good and what I may have done if I wasn't being "LAZY Shirou"

i think your posts the past 2 pages are a bit passive, what is a concrete thought or read on this exchange?

How am I not being concrete when I say I think you're leaning to your town meta atm?

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm just trying to be polite/friendly this game and tt's starting to annoy me a bit to be called "passive" or similar just because I'm not projecting confidence as usual or being tunnely.

Just wanted to say that.

[Lazy Shirou]

What part of I'm not confident about ANYTHING you DIDN'T UNDERSTAND?

[Lazy Shirou]

Dann felt superficially good early on, has vanished and hasn't sold me he's necessarily town

This game just feels hard atm if scum isn't just Meuh/Ali/Beeboy or something

[Lazy Shirou]

Hm, you're being sarcastic right Taly...?

[Lazy Shirou]

Aww now I feel bad for being mean to you...

In truth I'm not as mad as the capslock may suggest but it bothered me to feel like in the receiving end of so much questioning, try to be as honest as I can, and feel like "it wasn't enough" because of my lack of confidence (which I usually lie about/project to look more convincing).

I'm consciously being laid back here and I'm not used to be the one being questioned rather than questioning others.

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm curious about the mysterious scum Mandate seems to have "found"

Dunno if that's the consensus but I wouldn't mind a tunnel with some more solid arguments happening right now

The game does feel lacking in direction to some extent, too many town reads too little suspects

[Lazy Shirou]

To be clear I don't think Dann is "maliciously" not posting either

He's probably just busy/away

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm trying to read this game and I'm failing after staying up until sunrise on a national holiday

Only after sacrificing my body, soul and all mortal possessions I've found out that Street Fighter 2 Turbo has RIDICULOUSLY cheating A.I created back then to part little kids hard-earned coins from their wallets...from invincibility frames, unblockable moves, higher damage and physics-denying throws, I've never in my life seen such BULLSHIT like this...even PRO players apparently struggle against certain enemies.

Sigh, at least I feel like I kinda improved trying to win from it...

SF2: NC also seem to have a much more reasonable A.I that makes the game fun to play again...

[Lazy Shirou]

I don't know when I shall return I need lots of sleep or something to properly function again

Goodnight~

[Lazy Shirou]

I like Dann's Sakura vote

It goes against thread consensus, especially the most vocal players, and I think in his position (being pressured) as scum he may have gone for more amenable reads to others

[Lazy Shirou]

i like mandate, taly, keyleth, implosion most for town

implosion is probably my laziest read there

brown eyes, dunnstral and meuh are some tier below that

jury is out on aristeia

so few people have taken a stance on me despite my many posts...

[Lazy Shirou]

my eyes glazed over beeboy posts

I'll try to read it again later

[Lazy Shirou]

Trying to go through this beeboy debate, a neuron somewhere in my brain very vaguely remembered reading people claim that beeboy was readable by meta a long time ago.

I tried to check if I was misremembering and although his most recent games aren't very recent, it seems in his last scum game Gamma correctly caught him by the same "method".

He isn't very active most of the time but from the two town games/two scum games I've read, I think I would firmly place him as town here. In fact potentially my strongest town read after Taly.

[Lazy Shirou]

If I'm not missing a lot more context to his town/scum meta, I would like to know why players that have experience with Beeboy were suspecting him here when at minimum I feel like his ISO here should make you question a scum lean there more thoroughly.

I also would like Ali's opinion on this given I saw someone comment they were good at reading each other. Maybe even Beeboy's own opinion on whether he should be town read here or not in his view.

[Lazy Shirou]

If I had to summarize my "findings", I would say that as scum Beeboy seemed to focus mostly on stating an opinion on things while as town he seemed to give more focus on explaining how exactly he got his opinion on something.

town!Beeboy reads/analysis just seems to have *way* more meat to it but I'll confess that the games I've read he posted very little and I'm giving it credibility mostly because other people seem to also think he's very distinctly readable by meta (for likely similar reasons?).

[Lazy Shirou]

A part of me doesn't want to address the elephant in the room because it sounds like a lot of trouble for D1 but I'll do it anyway and say that this made my feelings towards Mandante drop significantly because I very much expect Mandante to be familiar with Beeboy to some degree.

His attack on beeboy for "trying to dismantle the townblock" just feels reactive to me right now because if he's scum I would expect him trying to insert himself in the townblock and so far thinking back on what he's posted it lines up. He seems to be very intentionally be trying to construct a townblock, with himself included on it, and explaining that people attacking it are +scum.

To not be accused of the same thing, I must say that I feel a bit better about Sakura now and other than Key/Implosion, I've a decently similar "townblock" in mind.

But it doesn't include you @Mandate and until we sort this Beeboy thing out, I'm very uncomfortable with you being in the "townblock" or trying to push people just for criticizing it.

[Lazy Shirou]

I also checked Ali a bit because she simply isn't here at all, but it seems like she's busy and dunno if it's alignment indicative

[Lazy Shirou]

Gamma correctly identifying Beeboy in his last scum game in the site (as far as I know?):

how is beeboy a legit scumread anyone has what have they even done

i dont remember seeinf a single post fron them..

I kinda think his town/scum meta are divergent that he can be read on 7 posts
He sounds wooden here, rather than natural. Wanna guess which alignment thosw trend towards for him?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84949
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=84286
The first link is a beeboy scumgame, the second is a beeboy towngame. I feel like it’s rather apparent beeboy has been posting more like the former than the latter.

re: Meerkat: read his sig lol
Him being meme-y is NAI

[Lazy Shirou]

The unique issue is that yeah, Beeboy doesn't seem to have posted a lot in recent games

He's kinda breaking a pattern here

[Lazy Shirou]

blegh I'm kinda efforting too much here already

[Lazy Shirou]

Oh so you were secretly thinking of me too?

Gosh, you are gonna make me blush!

I just hope the song to accompany us is lighthearted enough~

No one wants to watch a gloomy dance!

[Lazy Shirou]

but I think it is, indeed, time for us to dance.

This sounds like it'll be a tiring effort but I'm a polite lady and shall not refuse to show my MAD FOOTSTEP skills

[Lazy Shirou]

I've pretty much explained my main point on suspecting you at the moment I think

I also thought this post was kinda weird:

Ari am I gonna run into problems with you if I elect to do nothing about Dannflor and Sakura conflict or am I required to jump in like NO ALL THE VOTES IN THIS GAME BELONG TO ME AND ME ALONE AND WE ARE VOTING MY SCUMREAD. MINE MY OWN.

My precious...

I'm not confident enough on it to vote you though and optimally I would want to avoid voting you D1 unless I'm decently confident about it

[Lazy Shirou]

so I'm fine waiting for your break if you want to "recover" first

I also don't think I want to spend too much of my weekend here

[Lazy Shirou]

1) It's exactly because I was glazing over beeboy's posts/discussion that only later (now), as I was trying to sort him, I remembered the thing about meta. I've never played a game with beeboy before and it came to my mind as I was struggling to read him. You unvoted him but also said you hadn't really reconsidered him in 1029. I can't say much else about the "timing" I decided to post this? I posted as soon as the idea came to me and I verified it. I didn't take your unvote as you suddenly thinking beeboy was town (which I still think you don't see him as?).

2) I don't think that creating a townblock or your philosophy here is necessarily scummy per se, but I found now the beeboy thing scummy unless you've some solid explanations for that (and also the way you've engaged Ari, kinda). Therefore once I began to see your slot more negatively for other things, I also thought whether your attempt at forming a townblock with yourself on it was scum motivated. There's enough incentive for scum to try to direct the formation of a townblock with themselves on it, even if not directly to try to be spared at the first moment.

3) Yeah I'm on my "Lazy Alt" as you can see so I'm being more casual and I'm unhappily not an universal town read yet. That also happened in one other town game in this alt where I memed even harder and almost ended up being limmed. I would rather not die today though, thank you for the offer! I'm also just town and don't think I would have likely picked this fight with you in D1 if I was (although maybe I would try to risk it so that people would potentially town read me for it? dunno.)

[Lazy Shirou]

Do you like how I named the account this so I could do that btw

Ohhhh, so that's where the username came from!

also a shame the original was lost!

[Lazy Shirou]

However I still want to know two things:

1) How do you see Beeboy slot right now?

2) Where in that huge post have you explained why you didn't take Beeboy's meta into account on your read here? If it was anyone else I could understand shrugging it off, but Beeboy is apparently known for being meta readable in a similar way to another slot here, and I still want to understand why you haven't given similar treatment to both if you were even vaguely aware of Beeboy's meta circumstance.

[Lazy Shirou]

Oh, I posted that without reading the post-edit

seems like you were replying most of my questions there

[Lazy Shirou]

Eh if scum are gonna openly try to use meta against me I'll just own up to it so that I can rebut the assertions being made.

I can very confidently say I played at most 3 games with Beeboy in the period from 2017 to 2020. Not only do I lack meta on the player the entire idea of holding a lack of meta knowledge against a player who hasn't played in four years is an incredibly stretch. There is only one player in this game on whom I """have meta""" in any real sense and she is not a player that anyone is going to struggle to read.

It's not such a stretch to me because I still have some rough impressions of people that I've played with years ago. That may not apply to everyone but that's why I wanted people that knew Beeboy to explain themselves and their familiarity with him.

However you also seemed to imply you had some meta knowledge on him by asking this:

Beeboy do you have any recent offsite/alt games?

It felt like you were already aware of his last games here and found it lacking/not recent enough.

[Lazy Shirou]

I still want to know your current read on Beeboy though @Mandate

[Lazy Shirou]

You're also coming onto me with this angle of "Oh you were always my top secret scum read but I was lazy so I went to Beeboy" but it doesn't feel like that from your progression here (there's also lots of mentions about being sympathetic towards suspicion on Beeboy before you outed the read):

I feel absolutely nothing reading Shirou's posts. Am unsure if I should. I certainly feel no inclination to townbin them but I also feel no inclination to wagon them.

Sure you can claim you were hiding it or whatever but it does sound like a narrative you invented just now to sound more convincing

[Lazy Shirou]

I think you could intentionally exaggerate the "I was always onto you" narrative as either alignment though and it's one of the things that makes it hard to engage with you sometimes

Even as town you like, maximize the pressure you apply even if you sacrifice a bit of intellectual honesty at the process. I can kinda understand it because I've also done it but yeah, I think it's at least half bullshit

[Lazy Shirou]

Uhhh, I'm unsure how to proceed this 1v1 with those walls?!

They're so big...it's hard to address the many different points you're making in a concise way

Can we like, try to be a bit more concise perhaps?

[Lazy Shirou]

What is scummy about me wagoning someone and then deciding I don't like how the wagon feels?

I never said the fact you were wagoning someone was suspicious, I said I expected you (and some other players) to have some familiarity with Beeboy and did find suspicious no one had brought up the day/night meta argument on him, and therefore wagoning him or letting his wagon grow felt potentially suspicious if anyone had that knowledge (other than Ali since she's not here).

All I have to do as scum is simply not be identified. I'd push Dunnstral as scum (unless he's my cospy), force genocide route, win.

C'mon, we both know that's not completely true. As scum Pushing Dunn is good if the opportunity arises but it's pretty obvious that most people would lean towards Mercy and scum doesn't want to be left out of the "townblock" if we go through that route. Isolationism is a poor choice as either alignment here. I WASN'T arguing that what you were doing was necessarily scummy/only had scum motives, but I felt that because of other stuff I thought was negative towards your slot, I had suspicious about your motives for doing what you were doing too.

If you are town you need to stop everything you're doing and if your gut pings you so much about the townblock you need to find someone in the townblock you think is actually scum and you need to explain why they are scum

I'm already doing that. I'm saying I thought you were the scum trying to infiltrate the scum block, pointed out why and now am discussing it out with you. I said I agreed with most of your townblock.

[Lazy Shirou]

the scum trying to infiltrate the townblock*

lol

[Lazy Shirou]

Hm and sorry about the bin thing

It's just hard to explain some things otherwise

[Lazy Shirou]

Why does this actually matter? I'm failing to understand how you resolve my slot via these means and when I don't understand how you resolve my slot via these means I lack any interest in engaging with you on it.
You know I cover up my reads, I was even pretty open in this game that I was concealing my reads, so I'm failing to understand how when you play exactly how I said I thought scum would play you're confused that I'm scumreading it.

I'm not "confused" that you're suspecting me at all though?

I totally expected this to go this way after what I posted!

What I was confused about is why you were scum reading Beeboy if you had familiarity with him and I expected you to have at least decent familiarity with him, but perhaps I was wrong. That's why I pointed it out and wanted to discuss. Perhaps I was a bit to aggressive on it but I couldn't resist!

[Lazy Shirou]

I don't townread you yeah @Key

Sincerely yours,

Lazy Shirou

[Lazy Shirou]

so your argument is essentially that you didn't remember anything about Beeboy right @Mandate?

I'll mull over that and check some things but it sounds plausible I guess, dunno how I came across but I wanted to discuss more than try to claim you were definitely scum and vote you

I do dislike how you engaged with me now though, you're being really rhetorical and writing those huge walls that occasionally put words in my mouth when I was asking you two simple questions

[Lazy Shirou]

but like, I still think I can't say you're definitely more likely to come from a particular alignment right now so from my side I'm okay with disengaging from the dance for a bit

I'm still open to being questioned by you though, I just dunno if I've anything else to question you about

[Lazy Shirou]

@Mandate

I'm not trying to "draw" exactly how you would find your way to the endgame. But like if I was scum for example and wanted to go with the strategy of creating a "townblock", here's how I could do it assuming Toriel was town:

I would first be the one controlling the direction the townblock forms, opposing those that want to dismantle it and inserting one of my partners in it.

Then I would find a random mislim bait in D1 or let town find that on their own, and in D2 I would hardbus a partner.

With the credit I got from hardbussing my partner, I would use to spare another townie in D3. In D4 I would push for a partner to be spared but the bus from D2 and having correctly spared a townie in D3 would likely make it so I wouldn't be obvscum for it. Then in D5 I would push for another townie to be spared, and in the last day for myself.

This isn't necessarily what I would try to do here and I agree that perhaps I'm projecting too much how I play as scum on you, but I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that just because you're trying to create a townblock, you're automatically town or so?

[Lazy Shirou]

I know about the "why are you still alive" thing but it's something scum always need to adapt/play around as the game goes along

I don't think I would try to strongly push for Genocide here as scum, I can panic too hard if I'm not townread as scum

[Lazy Shirou]

Actually I'm curious, why should I think you're town here from your point of view?

Hmmm...I think I'm playing a bit unusually here so I wouldn't blame too much people for misreading me

However if there's one thing I would town read about myself here, is that I don't seem to care that much about my image

I'm unapologetically idling here at times and I would probably try to pretend I'm thinking more about the game whenever I post

[Lazy Shirou]

I think at some point you fully run out of answers. You can play around it but it's gonna be a lot harder than just playing normally.

Maybe but it was just a quick example of how scum could approach the game without being hellbent on genocide route

It wasn't a super elaborate plan yea

[Lazy Shirou]

If this is Lazy Shirou the idea of aggro hyperposting Shirou would put me into my boots. Can I ask for your hottest take? One that would make it seem like we just ate a spicy pepper if you have one? I see you obviously disagree with Mandate but is there anything else you feel strongly on but might be in the minority on?
pedit: I guess that works!

~Kiki

Unhappily the Mandate/Beeboy things were the spiciest takes I had!

I think having Beeboy as my second strongest townread is pretty spicy in our current economy though

and hmmm, I guess I'm failing a bit at being "Lazy"?! Hopefully I can get back to doing it properly!

(although my real aggro hyperposting self can be much more intense yeah, like in TM2023 Mini Normal)

[Lazy Shirou]

also I'm not sure if I've said this already but I didn't think so much about what could be your "plan" or something

I just thought you were starting to look sus and then I explained why and tried to engage you

I was aware that scum most of the time has incentive to go for the Genocide route but you didn't feel particularly confident on Dunn being town so it felt like you could pivot there at some point, and I didn't feel like it was a necessity for scum to go for Genocide either

[Lazy Shirou]

Dunn could also be scum with you and going for Mercy could be the plan

there's a lot of factors to consider to try to draw a plan to "endgame"

[Lazy Shirou]

Oh I see

If you're town, how does me being antagonistic towards you makes my life easier as scum rather than just playing along until I could NK you?

This makes me obviously town from my PoV but I'm aware that it's not as obvious from others. This line of reasoning is just sigh.

[Lazy Shirou]

I've been obviously playing without caring to "town it up" for most of the game, and that's the reason you could see me as getting "boxed in".

Being townread as scum is like the most important part of my scum game and again how does it make my life easier as scum to be so uncaring towards it early on here as the blocks are forming?

If there's one single thing I know how to do as scum is to be townread or make people townread my partners by my interactions with them

[Lazy Shirou]

After having thought it out I concede that you've a point that if I was getting "boxed in" as scum I probably would try to "disrupt it", but doing so NOW is just such a late reaction, I saw myself being getting into the nullish block in people's readlists a long time ago.

I wouldn't sit here and be okay with not being townread as scum, how being as "passive" as I've been makes my life easier as scum?

[Lazy Shirou]

I do somewhat vibe with the "I try harder to be townread as scum" but, like, your account is called Lazy Shirou? Am I not supposed to think you're being lazy no matter what?

Uhhhh

OKAY TO BE HONEST YOU'VE A POINT

I probably wouldn't have tryharded much as scum here either

I do think I would at least try to be townread a bit early on though, that's like bare minimum...

[Lazy Shirou]

I don't think you had any way of knowing you had to mega effort from very early in the game with the direction the game is going, I think the game only started seeming hard for scum midway through.

this part is wrong though

when the more active people started to townread each other it was obviously going to turn into "scum are in the inactive/null players"

[Lazy Shirou]

I think Meuh, other than what I've already talked about, may be scum by PoE if you're town and Key/Implo are also town

If not Meuh it may be Ali but it does feel kinda too convenient to assume that the slot not posting is scum, but it happens I guess

I think you may have town read Key/Implo too easily but it's two slots I'm taking my time to form an opinion on

[Lazy Shirou]

I think you dropped her but I still like Merlyn too

[Lazy Shirou]

I think you dropped her but I still like Merlyn too

(as town)

[Lazy Shirou]

You keep saying I'm playing disruption but I'm not being as disruptive as you claim at all

I mostly have reservations with you being in the townblock just like you would have with me being in the townblock

I don't agree but I don't have a deep issue with people letting implo/Key on it for now, although I don't think they should be the first ones to be spared

[Lazy Shirou]

and I'm also CONTRIBUTING to the townblock by bringing up the beeboy meta thing and confidently claiming he's probably town, unless you assume he's my partner

[Lazy Shirou]

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I don't want there to be a block of people we agree should be spared first

I've no interest in being spared myself

[Lazy Shirou]

I've no interest in being spared myself

the rationale being that if I'm spared I can no longer vote/influence the game to be clear

but also at this point someone pushing for me to be spared would have a lot of resistance and it feels like too much effort for LAZY shirou!

[Lazy Shirou]

I want to add one more name to my PoE pool of [Ali/Meuh] and I thought it was going to be you @Mandate but I dunno the more we talk

It's getting late though and I gotta go, I think I talked a lot in the last pages so I'm gonna try to shut up for a bit again

Goodnight and I'm happy this engagement wasn't toxic at all!

[Lazy Shirou]

I wonder if in a hypothetical universe where that happened you'd consider it your fault for contesting my being a universal townread or you'd blame me for initiating on you first

I think I would blame us both? It happens.

It's also really early on to say "never this", I think we may be more readable with flips if we don't die early.

I think the world where you're town makes me very, very sad.

Unhappily I'm really just town.

I've no plans, no cards behind my sleeves. Simply surfing the incoming waves.

[Lazy Shirou]

I am quite confident that me Meuh and Alisae are not 3 scums, I'll say that.

I was talking about a "at least one scum in" pool, not a scumteam guess.

[Lazy Shirou]

I mean I say that also in the sense of there is no avenging Baton Pass if you're town.

I was secretly wondering that if you're town, how much of your push on me could eventually also become "I don't want him to win as scum again" rather than "I think this is the slot with the highest scum equity"!

[Lazy Shirou]

Before I answer Merlyn Shirou I have a quick question. I think it's sort of established that your trying, or at least it seems it to me. So like, how do I put this. . .

I think you've had really towny moments I've seen posts from you that if you're a wolf I could only dream to fake like wow kudos. But I see this energy and amazing posting but where I'm wondering about this energy is. I think there's at least, a few slots that probably are number 1/2 to get spared being Mandate/Taly.

You also seem to have issue with me and Implo but I don't see you doing much to stop it. If there was something I was really super unsure about and they were in a decent spot to go over, why haven't you stopped, cased, or really questioned either of us? Unless I'm forgetting.

I think I could fake most stuff I've posted so far as scum, but I think I'm being too honest/uncaring to be scum (and being too honest often bites you in the back!)

About not "stopping" you/Implo, it's just that...I think you *may* be town, but I'm not sure?

I don't scum read either of you I just don't agree with giving you town reads yet. I live with the philosophy that you should focus on a few posts that are more likely to come from one alignment than the other rather than most posts in someone's ISO, and there hasn't been any particular post from you two that I felt compelled to say "this post significantly comes more often from town than scum" yet.

However I also need to re:read your ISOs with more attention at some point, just like I did with Beeboy

[Lazy Shirou]

I guess this is my opening window to invite you to say why me/implo shouldn't be townread and why we are dangerous and scary.

You seem to have a "Innocent until proven guilty" mindset

I've a "Guilty until proven innocent" mindset

That's it really

[Lazy Shirou]

I messed up my link maybe if I post enough we can put it in the past.

I live with the philosophy that you should focus on a few posts that are more likely to come from one alignment than the other rather than most posts in someone's ISO, and there hasn't been any particular post from you two that I felt compelled to say "this post significantly comes more often from town than scum" yet.

What an interesting philosophy! It's sort of challenging for me to wrap my head around given I think we work in two very different ways but, can you show me a quick example with a slot that isn't beeboy? (You could do beeboy if you want but I imagine you're tired of that)

Taly's AtE and unconscious thread control attempt

If you go back at my progression on her slot I think you'll find those are the moments where I started to town read her because I thought both of those behaviors came from town!Taly significantly more likely than from scum!Taly

[Lazy Shirou]

What an interesting philosophy! It's sort of challenging for me to wrap my head around given I think we work in two very different ways

Exactly why reading you feels challenging to me too

[Lazy Shirou]

It would be personal territory but I think I'm simply a very distrustful and paranoid person even when I sound warm/friendly to others

I'm often thinking about how others could betray me/turn against me or so

[Lazy Shirou]

Happy Birthday Taly

[Lazy Shirou]

your iso just objectively isn't great my dude and everything that is making you not get limmed falls into the "beeboy is wolfy but we think he's village for spicy reasons" category

who are you talking about here?

i feel like the consensus is that beeboy is scummy and other than me/Ali/Meuh I don't even remember anyone else being positive towards Beeboy

i may have just forgot it though

[Lazy Shirou]

given my lone vote on Meuh isn't doing much and the main alternative wagon is a townread of mine, I shall help poke this

VOTE: implosion

[Lazy Shirou]

i guess you can try to argue (and many already have) that beeboy's readlist is kinda "convenient" with for example me that is defending them at the top along with the universal town Taly, and most people voting him at the bottom.

however my own readlist would be similar enough to his so i don't have an issue with it.

[Lazy Shirou]

i think if mandate is town here he currently has the wrong ideas about this game but who am i to claim that i'm right

[Lazy Shirou]

the unique actual scum i think you may have pushed so far is potentially either Ari or Key, and i think one of those at least is prob town

[Lazy Shirou]

i was gonna reply taly question to me but like

no offense i don't think replying to those is helping you correctly sort me so i may not bother unless i feel it's important

[Lazy Shirou]

i feel more comfortable putting Sakura as a town read although lower than Taly/Beeboy, more in similar level to Merlyn

i think i also feel positive enough about Key to let them in the like, lowest brackets of a town lean but still not someone i want to vote in d1/d2, it's just a general feeling rather than a set of posts i can quote and say "YEAH MAN THIS IS TOWN" so that's why she's my lowest town lean

i feel a bit better about mandate, he's like uhhhh, nulltown or so to me i don't think i want to go there in d1/d2 either and if he's scum i gotta say if i survive too it may make for a hilarious late game where we're bickering at each other without being able to actually try to eliminate each other if we go Mercy Route

so i'm here hopefully thinking the above has at max one scum and we can find the other two we need in:

[Implo/Meuh/Alisae/Dann]

Dunnstral could be scum but i'll follow consensus there i don't want to be responsible for fucking us up if i push him and he flips green

BE is a special case that i'm willing to wait play out more

[Lazy Shirou]

i guess two scum in that four person pool seems too easy on hindsight

hopefully at least one

[Lazy Shirou]

i feel much more confident on who is likely town than who is likely scum here so it does feel great that it's also a game where we've spare mechanics

a part of me is wondering if that's just coincidental though, that's NOT how i feel about most games

[Lazy Shirou]

I don't really think that if I'm scum you'll be able to prevent me from being spared at the time of my choosing but if I'm town you probably will

this post talks in a really weird perspective for a supposed townie but i also know you essentially just want to claim i'm not a threat to you in any way, shape or form and i don't mind acknowledging that

my low odds on succeeding on certain things doesn't mean i won't try them out anyway though yea

[Lazy Shirou]

hmmm

if it helps i think i town lean those two last posts of yours

[Lazy Shirou]

sorry if i'm being unpleasant and you're just town

other than the common suspicious on Meuh right now we're just not mindmelding a lot in this game and it's hard to trust someone that has kinda the opposite takes of mine so far

i think my feelings towards your potential alignment is improving though

[Lazy Shirou]

also...i forgot ari in the pool before

my actual pool for today has 5 people

[[Implo/Meuh/Alisae/Dann/Ari]

i wonder if i'm forgetting anyone else other than Dunn/BE, probably not

[Lazy Shirou]

if Meuh is the consensus i would be fine going there but i'm not sure who i consider to have the most substantial chances of flipping scum in that pool

i don't think any of them have been overtly scummy other than Ali if we consider the lack of any substance so far alignment-related

[Lazy Shirou]

[Lazy Shirou]

don't worry my citizens

i've the power of god and anime on my side and i shall restore peace and union in the thread through the holy glory of cute gifs

[Lazy Shirou]

i also think mandate is prob town here by this point

i could be wrong but yeah

[Lazy Shirou]

i want to say i've developed my opinion on implosion but i did in fact skim his posts because they felt kinda dense to analyze and understand all the context he was replying to

maybe nearer the weekend

i'll unvote him for now to be fair given he posted more since i last sat down to properly digest his posts

UNVOTE:

[Lazy Shirou]

my conclusion from the quick skim was that he (implo) was kinda blegh, not really scummy but not really towny either

idk i think most scum could be in that blegh category in this game

i also acknowledge i'm in that category for many people but you must understand that i'm both a hypocrite and town

[Lazy Shirou]

don't worry my citizens

i've the power of god and anime on my side and i shall restore peace and union in the thread through the holy glory of cute gifs

[Lazy Shirou]

What is all this weebery

plan number 4101995, codename: K4W41

goal: force every single ms.dot.com member to use an anime avatar

requirements for retreat: NONE.

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm worried about Brown Eyes :/

relatable

[Lazy Shirou]

okay but let me try to make something clear Mandate

was there any way she could scum read you and not be scummy in your PoV? If so how?

You say she wouldn't be so anti-you here if she was town by suspecting you and your unpopular townreads, but does that mean if she only suspected you with some other people it wouldn't be enough for you to think she was for sure scum?

[Lazy Shirou]

like, is the real issue the fact she's scum reading you along with implosion and dann, which doesn't feel like a real scumteam solve for you

or

the fact she's still scum reading/suspecting you when she should be in fact town reading you (from your PoV)

[Lazy Shirou]

okay, i'm not sure i agree with you that town!Ari never have those reads here but i can see the point you're making

also unrelated but assuming she's town, i'll be sad if Brown Eyes end up replacing out for the game being too fast (on Sunday i felt like it was too fast even for me as i took a day off the thread)

i'll prepare coffee gifs to offer her when she gets around to catch-up again

[Lazy Shirou]

i guess you could argue meuh is playing to get spared just unsuccessfully

meuh didn't attempt to pocket me more so now perhaps she's suffering the consequences?!

[Lazy Shirou]

doesn't mean you shouldn't pocket me anyway!

[Lazy Shirou]

i feel no reason to town read Ari but also feel little reason to scum read her this hard

i understand how her stance on you makes you suspect her but i legit think town!Ari could have a very similar stance even if she's scum in this game specifically

dunno if i'm being dumb

[Lazy Shirou]

i think Ari may be scum mostly by PoE at this point

my unique hesitances on that perspective are BE/Dunn

p-edit: ye it may be Ari, i'm just expressing that my reason for thinking so is different

[Lazy Shirou]

well, half-different

you also were closing on her by PoE

[Lazy Shirou]

Seeking replacement for Mandate

[Lazy Shirou]

Aristeia is being replaced

[Lazy Shirou]

This is sadge

I was happy to play again with both of them

[Lazy Shirou]

I didn't want to be town leader here I was hoping I could townread one of them and let them drive the game

Taly u are up

Officially promoted to thread captain, we're waiting ur orders

[Lazy Shirou]

You have replaced the divine mandate, so you're now in the position to lead us all to greatness!

does that make her divine ydrasse now?

[Lazy Shirou]

is divine ydrasse even her actual ultimate form?

she could have even further overpowered transformations.

[Lazy Shirou]

also i think i'm developing an issue with people still putting me on nullish right now

i definitely have enough content to be placed somewhere more confidently now

it just feels like people want to keep me in the PoE even though i'm townspewing

[Lazy Shirou]

how am i not town here by this point

[Lazy Shirou]

using my page one intuition that is never wrong meuh is scum

is that a

divine mandate

though, dear Divine Ydrasse?

[Lazy Shirou]

Meuh i have bad news for u...

VOTE: Meuh

[Lazy Shirou]

i remember when we used to be town together at the orphanage

[Lazy Shirou]

we would eat and play together with all the other townie kids

[Lazy Shirou]

but then you played genocide route in that silly game and u changed forever

[Lazy Shirou]

you kept telling us to adress you as "Chara" and laughing maniacally when we were about to go to sleep

[Lazy Shirou]

you simply weren't the old Meuh we knew anymore.

You changed Meuh.

You changed.

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm "unimpressed" with Meuh posts so far, nothing that makes me think she's town

She can argue it's for "nudging" but voting a slot she was previously townreading rather than one of the people in her PoE is just whacky to me

Feels like she's trying to explore wagon options

Happy keeping my vote there at the moment

[Lazy Shirou]

Ali could also be scum but is more of a coinflip

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm "unimpressed" with Meuh posts so far, nothing that makes me think she's town

She can argue it's for "nudging" but voting a slot she was previously townreading rather than one of the people in her PoE is just whacky to me

Feels like she's trying to explore wagon options

Happy keeping my vote there at the moment

This is actually a good point.

I don't think

Meuh

explicitly had

Implosion

is town in their original readslist when I first voted them, it was null.

Shirou's

recapitulation is not accurate.

I was talking about Meuh's most recent vote "Freedom" (previously Merlyn) which Meuh had expressed positive feelings for.

Your recapitulation of my recapitulation isn't accurate.

[Lazy Shirou]

I could vote Alisae

[Lazy Shirou]

I'm not feeling anything in particular out of the last pages aside from what I already feel about slots

between Alisae and Meuh, which I'm starting to settle as my voting pool today, I think Ali may have higher odds of flipping scum but I'm also not good at reading Ali

[Lazy Shirou]

/shrug

I would explain but others have already mostly commented what I wanted to so whatever for now.

VOTE: Alisae

[Lazy Shirou]

Likely not relevant but I've never seen a game where Taly was so active though, that weirds me out a bit

[Lazy Shirou]

it was just a passing thought taly, although i feel better there's some precedence to it apparently